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Another one of those 'gunner balance' threads.
James T. Kirk:
It's not exactly a secret that the gunner isn't quite up to par with the other two classes. You need a highly specialized build to not require a pilot, and oftentimes, triple engineer works just as well (sometimes better) than engie/engie/gunner.
What I am saying should be no huge surprise to anyone, and most of you at this point are probably wondering what suggestion could possibly be new.
Well, I've been fiddling around with this idea for a little bit now, bouncing it off of a few of my fellow Cakes, and even a few Dev buddies, and I think it's time to bring it to the general opinion of the Forum.
Gunner tools.
Not gunner ammo, gunner tools.
For probably about 85% of the guns in this game, one ammo type is enough to get the gun working at maximum efficacy. Every engineering job needs a MINIMUM of two tools (repair and fire suppression) but for maximum efficiency, they need 3 tools (rebuild, repair, and fire suppression). Pilots need as many tools as possible to out maneuver their opponents (with the possible exception of a sniper galleon).
Imagine how OP it would be if an engineer could take 4 tools.
Imagine the shift in gameplay if a pilot could bring an extra tool.
Giving a gunner a 4th ammo would change next to nothing.
That's because everything the gunner has to choose from is far too similar.
Every class has a large selection of tools to utalize with a few scattered specialized tools. The Buff Hammer and Spyglass come to mind.
If we gave the gunner a few tools to use off the gun, I believe that would encourage the necessity of more than one gunner tool, AKA, bringing gunners.
Let's take an example.
The most balanced thing I've been able to come up with is a "greace can." You apply the greace to the gun similar to how one uses a buff hammer, and it charges up a bar to the left (but make it blue), that once fills, it activates, allowing the gun to be turned faster. You could then use an ammo ON TOP of the greace. Engineers could only do one or the other, and a gunner would have an advantage over a gungineer.
Applied effects would be less drastic than gunner ammo, but would have no downsides.
Applied effects run out of time, just like a buff hammer effect.
Now. I open the floor to you, community.
Stupid idea?
Meh idea?
Game saving idea?
Let's see what you all think.
Milevan Faent:
Muse has already stated that they will never give the Gunner a tool to use while not on a Gun as it breaks paradigm. Likewise, new tools for the gunner in general will not happen before new ammo types and tweaks to current ammo types are tried FIRST. This is far from the first time this idea has been tossed around.
Crafeksterty:
https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,4009.msg69386.html#msg69386
Again, a new tool TYPE needs to be done for the gunner. Like a secondary activatable while on a gun.
Hoja Lateralus:
--- Quote ---Imagine how OP it would be if an engineer could take 4 tools.
Imagine the shift in gameplay if a pilot could bring an extra tool.
Giving a gunner a 4th ammo would change next to nothing.
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Excellent point, although 4-slot roles would be a neat idea for some (closed) event. Tournament maybe? I'm afraid it can be pain in the ass to implement and the effect wouldn't be big enough.
I think a game-changer could be the ammo that changes the secondary type of damage on the gun.
--- Quote ---Muse has already stated that they will never give the Gunner a tool to use while not on a Gun as it breaks paradigm. Likewise, new tools for the gunner in general will not happen before new ammo types and tweaks to current ammo types are tried FIRST. This is far from the first time this idea has been tossed around.
--- End quote ---
I'm afraid this is right.
James T. Kirk:
In the pilot slot, we have tools you can use off the helm, the engineer has access to tools that do not repair.
I don't see why the gunner has to be so specialized.
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