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Echoez:
So, I don't even remember how long ago was the Hades introduced and to be quite honest, I haven't been playing much myself other than the Sky League lately, so please judge me not.

I remember the introduction of the hades as something pretty cool, the meta shifted, new and interesting loadouts popped out and overall, there was something fresh to play with. I also remember my disapointment that said weapon wasn't a heavy one.

How long has it been since a new Heavy gun was introduced? What was the last one? Lumberjack? That was before I even started playing if I remember correctly. I've been away for like what, over 6 months, I come back for SKy League, absolutely nothing has changed and I do remember asking Muse specificaly in one of their streams last summer when can we at least expect a new heavy gun, I got an answer of like 3-4 months. I've been gone for half a year and there's still nothing :P

So, I'm gonna ask again in a way, when can we finally expect a new heavy gun? What are your guys' thoughts on it and what would you expect to see?


Personaly I'm sad there's no flame artillery yet in the form of a mid range gasoline flamer or anti air auto-cannons, I want my Pom-Poms Muse, when am I getting them? :3

(PS: if a mod could move this to general discussion please cause I just noticed I put it in the wrong forum section.. work's internet is kinda slow, sorry!)

Crafeksterty:
A new heavy gun will drastically change the 3 ships that hold heavy guns.
So yeah, im so hyped for any new heavy guns.

I believe the Hwacha is the newest addition of heavy guns, but that was before i started playing.



For the most part, i am expecting something radically different in terms of usage.
Like, is it a more supportish like weapon, or is it a status effect type weapon. etc etc.

But the most probable expectation i think is an impact damage heavy gun. A heavy gun that fires then hits a ship, and makes that ship move like it got rammed.
Uh, like how mines hit a ship. Most threads or posts talked about some kind of a "Cannon"  1 shot, close to long range projectile that hits a ship with massive impact moving the target ship.

Alistair MacBain:
As echo said the newest heavy gun is the lumberjack. Hwacha, Hflak and Hcarro are there for longer.

Dont know what it will be but yes i will be excited once it comes in again.

But to say that the meta doesnt change is wrong.
Yes there are standards that stay for a very long time like the gat mortar but there are also new things.
The team of gat/mortar+hades/flak we had at the start of HC wasnt that much used before. A few teams did but in the first 2 weeks of HC they were the goto build for most teams.
Carronade+artemis got a recent hype.
Or to go further into the past ... We had the Artemis which was used extremely often. Those are builds you still see from time to time.
For a long time there were barely any goldfishs in competetive and now we have several ...
The lumberfish was pretty much a nogo before HC. Then Muse started it again and we see it showing up every now and then again.
Galleon are gettin reintroduced aswell.
First weeks of HC there were no or barely any Galleons.
Now we see them in some games.

Just a few examples that show how things change. There dont need to be a drastic balance change or a new gun to change the meta and builds.
All it needs is a team willing to do sth new and if it works out how they wanted you will most likely see it every now and then.

Echoez:

--- Quote from: Alistair MacBain on July 23, 2014, 03:55:41 am ---Just a few examples that show how things change. There dont need to be a drastic balance change or a new gun to change the meta and builds.
All it needs is a team willing to do sth new and if it works out how they wanted you will most likely see it every now and then.

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Sure, I agree, but that doesn't make the already 4 used weapons any less stale and Galleon builds are still pretty much Sniper/Brawl sides if you don't count Overwatch's ridiculous shenanigans in Flotsam, Goldfishes still only use 2 of the 4 available guns and Spire is.. I don't wanna talk about the Spire until it can fly sideways :P

By fresh I mean I want something new, a slight meta shift will not replace my thirst for a new shiny toy to equip on my Goldie or Galleon. Unlike ships like the Junker, Mobula and the Pyra that can play around with a lot of guns, Fishes and Galleys are VERY restricted with their heavy gun loadouts and lets be honest, there might as well only be 3 Heavy guns atm cause I don't count the Heavy Flak as a 'weapon' it's just a finisher, not a real weapon, it's only good at ONE thing, which I find is very lacking for a heavy gun design in this game, considering all other heavy guns are multi-purpose.

Dutch Vanya:

--- Quote from: Echoez on July 23, 2014, 04:15:40 am ---
--- Quote from: Alistair MacBain on July 23, 2014, 03:55:41 am ---Just a few examples that show how things change. There dont need to be a drastic balance change or a new gun to change the meta and builds.
All it needs is a team willing to do sth new and if it works out how they wanted you will most likely see it every now and then.

--- End quote ---

Sure, I agree, but that doesn't make the already 4 used weapons any less stale and Galleon builds are still pretty much Sniper/Brawl sides if you don't count Overwatch's ridiculous shenanigans in Flotsam, Goldfishes still only use 2 of the 4 available guns and Spire is.. I don't wanna talk about the Spire until it can fly sideways :P

By fresh I mean I want something new, a slight meta shift will not replace my thirst for a new shiny toy to equip on my Goldie or Galleon. Unlike ships like the Junker, Mobula and the Pyra that can play around with a lot of guns, Fishes and Galleys are VERY restricted with their heavy gun loadouts and lets be honest, there might as well only be 3 Heavy guns atm cause I don't count the Heavy Flak as a 'weapon' it's just a finisher, not a real weapon, it's only good at ONE thing, which I find is very lacking for a heavy gun design in this game, considering all other heavy guns are multi-purpose.


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Shows you've been away. The Lumberfish is all the rage now, i think since muse beat the ducks with it in the haephestus challenge. There are plenty of viable galleon builds and the spire may not be quite up to par for competitive  though i believe it is) But in any case it's a force to be reckoned with.

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