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Safewood:

--- Quote from: Mr.Disaster on July 01, 2014, 08:23:04 pm ---Maps
So basically maps such as Water Hazard, Canyon Ambush and Labirynth (but new).
Edit: And Muse is working on maps as general, we have to give them time and be patient.
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If I'm not mistaken, then these are 6- and 8-man maps. If they could get cramped down to 4-man maps, then that would be great.



--- Quote from: Mr.Disaster on July 01, 2014, 08:23:04 pm ---
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really?
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It's sort of like the storm, but instead of being a huge-ass cloud that clutter your vision, there's medium-sized meteors that you have to be aware of, as well as something you could potentially work to your advantage.

What's your issue with it?



--- Quote from: Mr.Disaster on July 01, 2014, 08:23:04 pm ---Gunners

--- Quote ---Exclusive passives for Gunners only
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Not going to happen, at least in the near future. Long story short - it's against Muse's idea of roles being 100% equal (and breakes balance and it's a bother to implement).
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If there's nothing going for Gunners, then there will be no use for them. One alternative ammo is eternally enough.



--- Quote from: Mr.Disaster on July 01, 2014, 08:23:04 pm ---Visual and audible feedback
Yeah, because everyone watches Game of Thrones and will get that reference ;) Honestly I don't see a problem, I do engineering a lot and sounds are destinguishable enough.

Why do you need a visual feedback about how long fire is burning? Who cares actually, the UI now is clear because shows you only the things you're interested in - the stacks of fire and cooldown of an object.
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At this point, I feel you're just trying your best to be difficult with me. There's always a reference someone might not get, there always is. However, the message I'm trying to get across should be clear enough, don't you think?

To know what to prioritize from a distance, if the health is similar each other. It's not of huge importance, but rather a nice-to-have feature. However, the UI is far from clear to a new player, because I have a full crew to play with most of the time, we were able to figure out majority of the mechanics. Though I'm sure I would have headaches to figure every mechanics as a single player.

You have a global cooldown for repairs, and you have a out-of-order cooldown which you can have as many players as you want to repair the machinery. On top of that, you have a global cooldown for fire, and stacks of fire that makes no sense to you at the start. It's just a number counting down, and you're standing there relentlessly trying to put out the fire, without understanding if you're doing something right or not. There's no visual feedback telling you if you're doing the right or wrong thing; you only have indistinguishable audible feedback, at least from my perspective.

An additional option from "Noob Tutorials", could be a text under the visual feedback, explaining the situation for you (e.g. "The cooldown is global for maintenance", "4 seconds removed from fire", etc.).



--- Quote from: Mr.Disaster on July 01, 2014, 08:23:04 pm ---Warmup
But what for. You can't move your ship but can move a crew? Usually maps are so big that before you'll meet the enemy everyone will easily take their positions (and buff most important parts). I think most people would find it useless.

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King of the Hill / Crazy King. You load in faster, meaning you get a headstart on the capture point.

Deathmatch. You group up and head towards the vicinity of your opponent.

I've had so many times, where we've loaded slower than the other team, because of latency, hardware or what have you. Point being, we spawn, I check the map, they're already heading our way without us having the time to group up with our team mate's ship, or they're already far ahead to the capture point than what we are (excl. that spawn points can be closer to the points from each other).

Besides, what does it hurt to wait a mere 15 seconds to get your ship going? It could be 8-10 seconds. As long as everyone's on an equal standing.

Edit: Rephrased slightly, and added another suggestion.

Hoja Lateralus:

--- Quote ---If I'm not mistaken, then these are 6- and 8-man maps. If they could get cramped down to 4-man maps, then that would be great.
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Yeah, there were such voices on the forum. I hope Muse will use this idea.


--- Quote ---slow-moving meteor showers
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I just don't see it implemented (in this game).


--- Quote ---If there's nothing going for Gunners, then there will be no use for them. One alternative ammo is eternally enough.
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There are many threads tackling this issue. This is clearly a problem and Muse is trying to fix it using firstly possibly cheapest and easiest to implement metods. Therefore a call to try make up ammunition type that would be more situational and would make gunners a better choice. My favourite idea was a kind of "turret ammo" that would make gun continuosly fire untill the end of the clip and decrease its arc but increase damage / shooting speed. Situational, useful, interesting. There are tests of new ammo types in DevApp.

About the GoT reference - it's common courtesy (at least I think so) that you try to get you reference undestandable, and if possible give it directly. In this case, I'd expect mentioned fragment from a show, to show you example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAOzMs9HbWg, around 2:28

The UI of health of ship parts is a discussed issue. I still don't get the fire problem. Usually you either prioritise things looking at distance (assuming everything or almost everything is on fire) or looking at importance of a part (for instance first hull and baloon, then engines and guns at the end - of course it depends on situation) or mostly combination of those two. I don't see how knowing for how long something has been on fire makes a decision easier. For me the fire part of UI works just fine.

When object is "alive" (not-destroyed) you have a cooldown, when object is destroyed (red) everyone can work on it and it will count. Such feedback should be given by tutorials and if not - by more experienced players. The (small) uselessness of tutorials has also been mentioned somewhere. Then there is also tons of guides on the internet; on the forum and youtube, but a difficulty in learning mechanics is a reall issue that breaks a lot of heads; it is annoying for the experienced players because unexperienced players go to non-novice games without a clue what to do and it's clearly bad for both sides. All we can do for now is provide information and guides, maybe hope to see better in-game tutorials in the future.

About the warmup - that's actually an issue that I've never had. All I can do is recommend you playing on the servers with best latency to minimize the loss.

Safewood:

--- Quote from: Mr.Disaster on July 01, 2014, 09:48:41 pm ---There are many threads tackling this issue. This is clearly a problem and Muse is trying to fix it using firstly possibly cheapest and easiest to implement metods. Therefore a call to try make up ammunition type that would be more situational and would make gunners a better choice. My favourite idea was a kind of "turret ammo" that would make gun continuosly fire untill the end of the clip and decrease its arc but increase damage / shooting speed. Situational, useful, interesting. There are tests of new ammo types in DevApp.
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One thing that also makes the alternative ammo's useless, is that you have to reload a new clip when you choose an alternative ammo. For example, you want Heatsink Clip when you get close to a flamethrower, however, you don't want to use it while you're out of range, or you're running from broad side to battery, and there's just no time for you to change ammo. So you'd have to change between the actual reload time, which makes the alternative ammo's a lot less efficient.

Currently, the alternative ammo's are more or less made for each turret type. If the ammo could have a purpose of itself (e.g. reduce movement, increase cooldown, clutter vision, etc.) instead of being designed for a turret, then it would be a lot more viable. That, and the clip being unaffected by changing ammo, yet apply the disadvantages (e.g. -20% clip size on a 4/20 bullets would empty the clip).



--- Quote from: Mr.Disaster on July 01, 2014, 09:48:41 pm ---The UI of health of ship parts is a discussed issue. I still don't get the fire problem. Usually you either prioritise things looking at distance (assuming everything or almost everything is on fire) or looking at importance of a part (for instance first hull and baloon, then engines and guns at the end - of course it depends on situation) or mostly combination of those two. I don't see how knowing for how long something has been on fire makes a decision easier. For me the fire part of UI works just fine.
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An example is if the hull has 4 stacks, while the engine has 16 stacks, yet their health looks relatively the same, because of other sources of damage has been hit more on the hull. However, by the time you're done with the hull, the engine has taken massive amount of damage that you could've prioritized instead. Instead of the fire growing, the stacks could be shown in the floatable UI's.

For seeing where the enemy is throwing fire, it's confusing whether you're actually doing anything with the fire extinguisher. The "out of powder" sound effect just adds to the confusion, because at first, I was wondering if the fire extinguisher was empty. Suddenly it worked again, and I thought there might be a cooldown on the fire extinguisher, however, I eventually figured out that when fire is applied, the said tool is rendered useless. Additionally, you can see where the enemy is trying to focus the flamethrower next.



--- Quote from: Mr.Disaster on July 01, 2014, 09:48:41 pm ---When object is "alive" (not-destroyed) you have a cooldown, when object is destroyed (red) everyone can work on it and it will count. Such feedback should be given by tutorials and if not - by more experienced players. The (small) uselessness of tutorials has also been mentioned somewhere. Then there is also tons of guides on the internet; on the forum and youtube, but a difficulty in learning mechanics is a reall issue that breaks a lot of heads; it is annoying for the experienced players because unexperienced players go to non-novice games without a clue what to do and it's clearly bad for both sides. All we can do for now is provide information and guides, maybe hope to see better in-game tutorials in the future.
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A 'No' symbol with a text under it explaining "Can only repair when off cooldown", "Cannot extinguish when fire is applied", "Can only extinguish when off cooldown", and so forth. In addition, a more distinguishable "klunk" sound; it would make it a lot easier to understand. An option to turn off visual feedback, if you find them to be in the way.

Safewood:
Changed the list a bit.

1. Show enemy's fire projectile, or a more aggressive fire on the machinery to show fire is being applied.
Reason: Makes it easier to tell whether you can use the fire extinguisher or not.

2. Visual feedback, such as a 'No' symbol with text under it explaining "Can only repair when off cooldown", "Cannot extinguish when fire is applied", "Can only extinguish when off cooldown", and so forth.
Reason: Makes it easier to understand what you can and can not do in different situations (tailored for new players). Option to turn this off.

3. Audible feedback, such as a more distinguishable sound effects on tools when you can or can not use it, damage sounds on the different machinery, etc.
Reason: Makes it easier to understand what's going on around you, without the need of visual feedback (tailored for experienced players).

4. Floatable icons, two UI size, where the greater size also shows you fire stacks.
Reason: Makes it easier to make decisions where to prioritize the fire extinguisher.

5. Changing ammo should not force you to reload, and after you've changed ammo to then reload, should not be canceled when you leave the turret, nor should it change back to default.
Reason: Makes alternative ammo a lot more efficient and seamless to use.

6. Classes. Every class has a default tool everyone can use, but every class also has exclusive tools only their class can use.
Reason: Makes it easier to balance the usefulness of the classes. Gunners are not needed at all; note: this isn't an opinion.

7. Matchmaking system with matchmaking rating.
Reason: Makes it more convenient to get into a match, while also potentially make the match more fair (such as premades, randoms, rating, etc.).

8. Let you strafe into the ladder (e.g. W + D into the ladder).
Reason: Makes it easier to get onto the ladder.

Hoja Lateralus:
It's common courtesy not to post below our own post (in such case edit the previous post)

#1 - to use a flamethrower enemy ship has to be pretty close and the beam itself is pretty visible

#2 is good for tutorial purposes, I'll give you that

#5 changing ammo = reloading by definition
I see it this way: every gun has an unlimited resource of default ammunition and it is "programmed" to load itself alone - with the ammo it has. To load a different ammo you need a gunner - and he applies 1 clip of ammo at the time. This issue has been discussed, you can look it up on the forum.

#6 The Muse's idea is that every class is equal in a meaning that they have access to the same tools, the only difference is in the number of tools they can bring. This has also been discussed already and I don't see chances that it will happen (in the near future, at least).
BTW.
--- Quote ---Gunners are not needed at all; note: this isn't an opinion
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- and that's your opinion ;) I can and will admit that engineers are more useful than gunners BUT the usual setup is 1 pilot, 2 engineers and 1 gunner. And I strongly believe there is a reason for that; I have some experience playing as a gunner and I know that sometimes having the right ammo and using it in the right time can win the game. Just a simple example - when flying a pyramidion and shooting hades for a long range I use lesmok (and then I can shoot effectively) and for short and ram range I quickly change to greased - because there's no problem aiming a ship being 20-50m in front of you and greesed increases your clip and fire speed. I know there are many guns that have "designed" one type of ammo that works best for them BUT depending on situation gunner can provide better firepower, and that's why there usually is one gunner in a crew. The issue of usefulness of gunner and engineer is being discussed over and over again and there are many posts and topics trying to tackle that problem.

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