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Ship swapping in Lobby before competitive matches
Mezhu:
--- Quote from: Dutch Vanya on June 26, 2014, 01:48:30 pm ---I've always seen pyramidions as easy targets too. Too bad that everyone in the haephestus challenge seems to be scared to use anything but pyras.
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Too bad you didn't sign for haephastus yourself.
OT: I don't see why all the big deal over nothing. I have yet to see a team do this 'last 5 second swap' that you speak of, I'll certainly be more watchfull now that you mention it though. Although I think any half-serious clan doing this in any half-serious competitive setting would be marked and shamed for life. As for people insisting on blind pick, such a system would just terribly undermine build and theory crafting and insert an RNG element to a game that's otherwise solely based on skill and communication. Builds and meta progress due to the need to adapt to your enemy.
Grayknight:
I seem to remember an event a while ago where a team tried that last second switch against us, and had their loadouts promptly fail.
They asked for a restart because they screwed up their tomfoolery. The answer from us was no. They lost. Badly.
Teams trying that will find out quickly that it might work once, but it will likely fail a hundred times over; when it fails, opponents will not be forgiving. We weren't, and I wouldn't expect others to be forgiving to us if we tried it (not that I can ever see us trying it).
Omniraptor:
--- Quote from: Mezhu on June 27, 2014, 06:14:21 am ---As for people insisting on blind pick, such a system would just terribly undermine build and theory crafting and insert an RNG element to a game that's otherwise solely based on skill and communication. Builds and meta progress due to the need to adapt to your enemy.
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It's only RNG if you're rolling dice to pick buids, and I don't think anyone is advocating that.
If you're trying to figure out what your opponent will pick and then figure out how to counter it, that's build and theorycrafting. It's just a little harder than countering what you KNOW your opponent has picked, but it leaves a lot of room for interesting mind-games.
RomanKar:
--- Quote from: Mezhu on June 27, 2014, 06:14:21 am ---
OT: I don't see why all the big deal over nothing. I have yet to see a team do this 'last 5 second swap' that you speak of, I'll certainly be more watchfull now that you mention it though. Although I think any half-serious clan doing this in any half-serious competitive setting would be marked and shamed for life. As for people insisting on blind pick, such a system would just terribly undermine build and theory crafting and insert an RNG element to a game that's otherwise solely based on skill and communication. Builds and meta progress due to the need to adapt to your enemy.
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This is where I have a bit of a problem. You don't think people should be doing last second ship swaps, but you also think ship swapping is an inherent part of the game. So when in a 5 minute timer is it considered too late to be swapping so I may avoid being marked and shamed? Is 2 minutes too long to wait? Or how many ship swaps am I allowed before it's too many?
What I'm starting to hear from a lot of people is that ship swapping can be sneaky and unsportsmanlike, unless you do it in an acceptable way, well, cuz I like to ship swap, or loadout swap depending on the opponent's loadout.
This is a huge grey area. Tournaments in the future need to have some rules governing this area of the game. I think the best option is to have each tournament decide which rules to take. But each tournament should have some rules, not just a timer.
Queso:
--- Quote from: RomanKar on June 27, 2014, 01:10:40 pm ---This is a huge grey area. Tournaments in the future need to have some rules governing this area of the game. I think the best option is to have each tournament decide which rules to take. But each tournament should have some rules, not just a timer.
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Exactly. If it's not in the tourney rules, then it's completely up in the air.
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