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Guns of Icarus and the Law of Diminishing Returns

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Alistair MacBain:
I say a heavy flak wont do alot as it doesnt do alot when the armor is still up.
The effective window is much tighter ... Even on the longrange.

Frogger:
Yeah, but let's take the example of your double LJ vs. a pyramidion. Questions I would ask myself:

1) How much additional effect, in terms of balloon pop and armor strip, do you get from that second LJ?

2) Is the guaranteed pop of that pyra's balloon a worthwhile trade for a potential (even reliable, with a trained HF gungineer) instakill?

3) Assuming that the pyra does actually manage to cross into the HF's arm time, how does that affect the number of Charged HF shots needed to kill the pyra? How does the arm time performance hit on the HF compare to the second LJ's?

Remember, the goal of the game is to kill your enemy. It's fine to disable him for a little while, but at some point (and sooner better later), he needs to explode into tiny pieces. And at the extreme higher end of the skill spectrum (which is what all competitive teams should aim for), one hades/merc + 1 LJ provides plenty of strip and disable.

This is all very subjective, I understand, but in short I think taking two LJs vs. non-junker builds is extremely questionable. Especially vs. pyras, which you see so many of in competitive play.

Alistair MacBain:
Sure but instead of the hf i would rather use a hwacha than ;).
Sure much lower range but if i count on my enemy closing distance hwacha is superior. And can still instagib.

Sammy B. T.:

--- Quote from: Alistair MacBain on May 18, 2014, 03:34:56 pm ---Sure but instead of the hf i would rather use a hwacha than ;).
Sure much lower range but if i count on my enemy closing distance hwacha is superior. And can still instagib.

--- End quote ---
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Assuming heavy clip, buffed, perfect accuracy on enemy hull and waiting for the armor break something a hwacha almost never does, sure a hwacha can one clip a pyramidion at much less range than a Flak.

One buffed and charged h flak shot will leave a pyra with 3 health, (enough for a flare to finish), this is a weapon that is made to wait till the armor break.

People wonder why no one ever held a candle to the Paddling, its largely due to the H. Flak.

Alistair MacBain:
Thing is. It doesnt matter if you dont get the armorbreak early enough for the hwacha.
It can still just disable a whole ship for several important seconds. The only purpose of the hflak is to kill.
The hwacha has a much bigger effective window than the hflak.
I like the hflak for what it does. Dont mistake me. But imo it can be abused to easily.
But preferences are always a thing ^^.

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