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Imagine:

--- Quote from: Velvet on March 25, 2014, 05:32:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: Imagine on March 25, 2014, 03:46:41 pm ---Holy moly, guys, turn down the dial on the elitism meter...

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Elitism? What is elitist about stating the fact that a tournament between a highly skilled and a generally inexperienced team may not be very interesting? My understanding is that this is a pretty widely accepted fact in all areas of competition.
Now that it's clear the the tournament is intended to be more casual the situation makes slightly more sense. This wasn't at all clear as the OP has expressed an interest in involving the seriously competitive teams and creating videos that are interesting to watch - and the general understanding is that a competitive tournament is going to be, well, competitive. You probably won't think this is very nice but I'm not particularly interested in participating in an event where the majority of teams are hugely inexperienced and have no real interest in or commitment to competitive play.

Perhaps you're right, and there is a certain amount of elitism in competitive play. The object of most tournaments is to find and acknowledge the best teams. Most participants want to be the best and play with the best, and the viewers are watching because they want to see the game's best players face each other down in tense matches. If not, we would all play pub matches, watch pub matches and be happy with it. I don't actually see a problem with that kind of "elitism".

Where elitism is a problem is when people are being refused entry to a group (for instance in this case the competitive scene) because they are not "good enough". This is not that situation. This is a tournament where the majority of teams have no connection with the GOIO community, don't play GOIO actively or competitively and don't have any apparent interest in playing GOIO actively or competitively. I don't grudge them that, but equally I don't think they will be much fun to compete against or have much fun competitive against seasoned competitive players rather than against each other. Mixing these two rather separate casual and competitive communities with different interests and different skill levels into the same tournament does not seem like a good idea to me.

Imagine, you seem to think I am criticising the organisation of this event out of contempt or some delusion of superiority. To clarify: I'd love to see this tournament, or any new event, succeed. However, I don't feel that it necessary to refuse to acknowledge any issue or flaw that the proposal may have. Failing to point these problems out is not going to achieve any kind of resolution.
You have taken offence to the critical feedback being offered in this thread. I would counter that all good feedback on any creation is to some extent critical, because nothing is perfect. It is the unfortunate truth that in the case of a highly inexperienced creator the proportion of criticism must be higher as they have more to learn and more to improve upon.

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I was actually talking about the repeated allusions that a tournament isn't a valid or good tournament unless the Ducks or Gents are involved.

Hunter.:
I've mainly been standing by watching the thread go and seeing if there is anything I can input.. and finally there is! I would recommend making a whole new forum topic about this event, the comments here are getting clustered and I'm not sure about the validity of the original post, does it reflect rule changes implemented since then?

Anyway, If I were you I would remake the topic entirely. Make sure it is formatted and has a way to sign up included (assuming this is an open tournament), I would recommend making a google form for signing up, I can assist there if necessary, that way all your replies etc are instantly put into a neat little spreadsheet, to make your post clearer I would also recommend writing up a little rulebook (once again google docs is nice, due to the easiness of sharing files) with EVERY rule, so that the main post contains the basics and essentials (dates, maps etc.) but there is also a place to find situational rules (replacements, rescheduling dates etc.)

Just my personal opinion!
Cya in the skies!

Allien':
Imagine, I wasn't try to imply that for a tournament to be good there was the need for the Ducks or the Gents. I was just saying that i found odd that all the teams in there were either new or weren't even sign up into the game. But as Velvet said, if some of the regular teams filled those remaining spots it wouldn't be much fun for everyone, specially for those teams. Don't take me wrong. I would love to see this event happening, especially because it would, most likely, bring a lot of new people to the game and maybe increase our competition level :)   

ramjamslam:

--- Quote from: Alistair MacBain on March 25, 2014, 06:40:26 pm ---Well the currently run Skyleage are using the same time limit rule the Sunday Rumbles and the Saturday Box Socials used.
You have a 30 minute time limit.
Once that limit exceeds the match is called a draw unless one team has minimum 3 kills.
If this is the case the match goes into overtime.
Overtime means that a 2 minute timer starts. If one ship looses armor the timer is reset 2 two minutes.
That can happen to a max of 15 minutes. In that time any team can grab the win by the usual winning conditions (5 kills).
If that didnt happen or the timer runs out the match will be called by the current score.

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Urz mentioned in the 10 minute to go warning in the SAC vs. OVW game that there was no overtime.  So I think the Sky League has slightly different time limit rules than Sunday Rumble and SBS had.

Alistair MacBain:
Ok than i missed that. Thanks for clearing it up.

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