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Sky League Group Assignment & Update (3/22 & 3/29 @ 4pm EDT / 8pm UTC)

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redria:
Overall, I'm just playing in a competitive match and looking at it as either you get to the finals and win, or you lose. Whether we get redemption chances or not, it boils down to whether you win or lose. Noone is getting free passes on matches, and while the bracket here may be a little silly in pitting 1 seeds against each other so quickly, in the end you have to win to advance so you would have to be good enough to beat these teams anyway. Naturally there is more to it than that, but these competitions don't determine the best. That's impossible. They determine the best at a certain time/place/situation. So unless we start advancing the losing team, changes don't bother me too much.

That said, the rules should encompass situations like this. There should be rules governing how to handle all foreseeable situations. And let's be honest, teams not showing up was foreseeable. A lack of casters, due to time or a splitting up, is not impossible to see. The fact that the rules don't handle this (or that there are a hidden set of rules somewhere that I haven't seen) is my bigger cause for concern.

What if a team fails to show further down the line? Is a team advanced without an opponent, or does the most recent conquest of that team get a redemption chance? What if a match drops into slow-mo in the middle of an engagement, or permanent slow-mo when no team is heavily damaged? Will you restart the match on a new server and allow that team to gain brand new ships? Relatedly, how does slow-mo affect the match timer?

I don't mind changes. I honestly don't. As long as I get my shot to play, I know I have to win or get knocked out. Whatever else happens is fine with me. But for an event to be premiere, a headliner, the new competitive scene... There should be contingencies for every one of these situations and more. We shouldn't be left sitting around wondering what will happen, what will change next.

TL;DR: The changes don't bother me, but either this or whatever follows it needs to have clearly laid out contingencies for every conceivable situation.

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--- Quote from: Imagine on April 01, 2014, 02:23:03 am ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Ace Rimmer on March 31, 2014, 11:38:08 pm ---Imagine, I would like to request that you show a little respect to members of my team please. If you can't then please show a little professional courtesy by not commenting. To insinuate players in my clan are butt hurt over what they view as a genuine grievance, thus suggesting they should keep their mouths shut is highly disrespectful and unprofessional.

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I could say the same to you and your teammates berating the tournament organization repeatedly.

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We are all in the wrong. Let's be honest.
Imagine, you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions. We enjoyed our fight to get into the bracket stage. I had a blast at least. We are more commenting on the general status of a tournament that puts 4 teams together who, on a good day, could all probably get to the finals, while allowing a team to join past the deadline into a group where only one of the teams had a shot of making it through any fights at all (sorry new teams >.<). We aren't complaining, Just pointing out flaws.
Ace, I appreciate you getting defensive on our behalf, but the more we post, the more we misinterpret each other. Some things need to be let go of or approached in private messages.  :P <3
And you redria, you aren't the police of these forums, you aren't a mod or a CA, and you aren't doing a good job of it anyway. You don't run this tournament, and even if you have your own ideas for a premier league, they should be discussed elsewhere. Go take your strange ideas elsewhere. If you think changes should be made to the structure of this event, I'm sure they can be discussed after the event has concluded.

Keyvias:
Hey guys,
Just wanted to hop in. First of all it was never our intent to cause any frustration.  We really just wanted to join and try our best in some high level games, but due to some miscommunication and traveling on our end we missed the sign up.
Urz was kind enough to let us in, but only if a team dropped out. I can't speak for him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he offered this kindness to any other team in the same situation.
This does bring up a good point though solid open rules are always good to have.

I do believe there are a lot of constructive ideas here and now that these things have happened it's easier to think of solutions.  Trust me even from our side it's easy to gloss over important rules and features because it just doesn't come up.
I think Skrimskraw has the right idea in this is a critique. It's not fun to hear something wasn't done perfect or should be improved, but as long as it's objective and not malicious it means we still all share the same goal which is a great competitive event.

Though I do have to say even if Urz, or anyone, works for a year straight on an event, chances are something is going to come up that wasn't thought of. As many can recall there was a giant teamspeak meeting beforehand and no team brought up teams dropping out, which gives that bracket an unfair advantage. As in this case where if we were not allowed to join in both teams could have gone through without a single battle.

Mr. Ace Rimmer:
There were 5 teams in Bracket E, Bracket E could have been shrunk to four teams with a team from E being drawn into D. Would this have been a perfect solution.. of course not. The team from E that got moved to D may not have been happy with the move, and like we are complaining now, would have had a right to raise it as an issue. The fact that Urz seemed so sure that Phalanx wouldn't turn up complicates matters though. As does the fact that there were no shows with no replacements the week before. Essentially, there was a solution available that didn't involve bringing in a clan that hadn't signed up.

In essence, Urz was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. One things for sure, I'm pretty sure that had a hard deadline been set, none of this would have happened because if it had, the potential fall out would have been much more than using 20/20 hindsight to raise objections.

Imagine:
Not going to bother with super long quotes buuuuut...

@Skrimskraw:
What you've brought up has some valid concerns, unlike some others. I would say that one could argue that there has been a double elimination portion since that's what group stages were. As for the rest of the tournament, I would like to point out that when Leto pulled out it left the entire tournament scrambling to find streams to be on making double elim bracket either extremely long or otherwise just undoable. Yes, you could argue that we could've had it anyways and that the non-streamed games just could've been played, except for the fact that other than those of us casting/streaming, afaik no other referees signed up to help out (probably due to the fact that everyone is playing). I don't think I have to point out what a bad idea it is to have games without refs being played as the litany of issues that can arise from that are... innumerable.
As for seeding into bracket rounds... can't comment on that, wasn't involved in that decision making.

@redria:
From the day of when a few of your clan's members were... well, basically bitching about what happened in twitch chat to here in what has now stretched to over a page, at some point enough is enough. You guys have somehow made it out to be as if you were a victim of some great injustice, something which just plainly makes no sense given that groups were randomly determined, and what teams made it out of other groups basically have no bearing on how your group played out. You and your teammates could've very well talked to Urz about this in PM's or skype or whatever, instead you chose to complain repeatedly in a public space and then freaked out even more when someone opposed.

Look guys, frankly, even with the... group D problems, we actually had an amazing last two weeks of gameplay with some incredible moments. It saddens me that this crap is getting attention while all the great play is basically being nullified. I really do think that there's a whole lot of something being made out of basically nothing so just... cool it (myself included, I suppose).

Puppy Fur:
I disagree that it is 'nothing' and also disagree that anyone has claimed to be victims. I do not understand your reasoning for thinking such things but it does mean that we will most likely not find any sort of agreement. I stand by my statement that I dislike that a late sign up gets a match against an unpracticed team but understand why the choice was made and shall continue on with the Sky League.

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