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Firing mechanism and damage explanation
-Muse- Cullen:
I updated the Wiki with the relevant information here. I also included a link back to this post.
HamsterIV:
Could some one from Muse explain how the physics of the harpoon rope work?
What causes it to detach?
How is force applied to the harpooning and the harpooned ship?
What airship properties (drag, mass, impact location) effect the harpoon physics?
Is there a timer between when the harpoon strikes and when the rope goes "tight"?
Is the thrust of your engines lessened while harpooned?
There seem to be a lot of variables in play for this mechanic and I am not sure how they all work together.
awkm:
--- Quote from: HamsterIV on April 16, 2013, 02:59:49 pm ---Could some one from Muse explain how the physics of the harpoon rope work?
What causes it to detach?
How is force applied to the harpooning and the harpooned ship?
What airship properties (drag, mass, impact location) effect the harpoon physics?
Is there a timer between when the harpoon strikes and when the rope goes "tight"?
Is the thrust of your engines lessened while harpooned?
There seem to be a lot of variables in play for this mechanic and I am not sure how they all work together.
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This is complicated question but here is the tl;dr version:
* A harpoon will detach automatically at 120 seconds
* Max length is 600m before breaking
* The harpoon will apply a constant pulling force (right when harpoon makes contact with hull) from the ship that fired the harpoon to the point where the harpoon is attached. Movement and overall affect is similar to if the two ship bodies are afloat in water (air is also a liquid) but of course with the additional Y-axis movement. It responds 100% accurately to how force would affect these bodies in liquid based on the two points of attachment as well as the drag profile of each body
* Engine force output is not affected
With that said... it's extremely difficult to predict the movement on your own. It also takes into account engine movement and will further augment the outcome of these effects, making them even harder to predict. We're looking into simplifying this system to make it less real and more gamey. Easier to predict and actually do something that you'd like it to e.g. maintain range instead of pulling all of the time (because that's not always helpful).
However, I've heard that from the recent pull force reduction that harpoons are useful in some situations. Although this is a small subset of the player set that can actually use them effectively.
Nothing is set in stone right now. It's a decently sized feature request.
Gambrill:
--- Quote from: awkm on April 16, 2013, 03:35:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: HamsterIV on April 16, 2013, 02:59:49 pm ---Could some one from Muse explain how the physics of the harpoon rope work?
What causes it to detach?
How is force applied to the harpooning and the harpooned ship?
What airship properties (drag, mass, impact location) effect the harpoon physics?
Is there a timer between when the harpoon strikes and when the rope goes "tight"?
Is the thrust of your engines lessened while harpooned?
There seem to be a lot of variables in play for this mechanic and I am not sure how they all work together.
--- End quote ---
This is complicated question but here is the tl;dr version:
* A harpoon will detach automatically at 120 seconds
* Max length is 600m before breaking
* The harpoon will apply a constant pulling force (right when harpoon makes contact with hull) from the ship that fired the harpoon to the point where the harpoon is attached. Movement and overall affect is similar to if the two ship bodies are afloat in water (air is also a liquid) but of course with the additional Y-axis movement. It responds 100% accurately to how force would affect these bodies in liquid based on the two points of attachment as well as the drag profile of each body
* Engine force output is not affected
With that said... it's extremely difficult to predict the movement on your own. It also takes into account engine movement and will further augment the outcome of these effects, making them even harder to predict. We're looking into simplifying this system to make it less real and more gamey. Easier to predict and actually do something that you'd like it to e.g. maintain range instead of pulling all of the time (because that's not always helpful).
However, I've heard that from the recent pull force reduction that harpoons are useful in some situations. Although this is a small subset of the player set that can actually use them effectively.
Nothing is set in stone right now. It's a decently sized feature request.
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how about when on the weapon if you hold 'S' it pulls? that way the captain can tell the crew member Exactly when he wants it to pull.
uriak:
Yeah the ability to pull, or at least stop the rope at a certain distance would be handy :)
I'm not sure if there is a topic for this, but is there a place for finding about rotation limits for each weapons? Are they weapon based, or ship based or both? This is an information that is harder to find that the damage.
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