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QKO:

--- Quote from: RearAdmiralZill on August 13, 2013, 10:31:24 am ---He's not telling you to leave during the match.

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http://gunsoficarus.com/faq/#troll noting point 2.

--- Quote ---Raging at your crew also causes more problems then it fixes. I'm all for clear orders (ask any of my clanmates), but you are fully aware that not everybody on the internet is going to listen, and that reason can be one of many. (Ex. language barrier, age, no mic, no interest in team-play, ect.)

Goio is unique in that it really requires teamwork to be successful. This includes taking orders from others, and that in itself is a very tall order. If you plan to be a good captain, you have to make people want to listen to you. You do not just immediately have that right, nor can we force it onto anybody.

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Raging at my crew happens when the other means of manipulation have been exhausted and when frustration kicks in. You are telling me it's not nice for me to ruin their experience while they are ruining mine. GoIO is not unique, DotA and spinoffs requires the same degree of teamwork, and we all know where that has lead people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AFNZx4iQWw . Granted, in those games you are not permitted to leave...

I'd love to be a good captain, I think everyone in the role has the same goal as I do. But that means that I am responsible for my ship and that I feel responsible when things go wrong. If my crew members are set on not listening to me, my hands are tied. I haven't met a single person who has claimed to me that they could make people who don't listen listen. That is the issue here, I cannot do anything about this and you/Muse is refusing to give me means to do so.

Plasmarobo:

--- Quote from: QKO on August 13, 2013, 10:47:07 am --- I haven't met a single person who has claimed to me that they could make people who don't listen listen. That is the issue here, I cannot do anything about this and you/Muse is refusing to give me means to do so.

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Hello! I've made people who don't listen listen!

Granted it doesn't happen often. Troll usually don't listen, and sometimes you can't get around that.
When this happens I counter troll. I take a flamesquid or something, constantly encourage my crew to do things better via voice and type. If that doesn't work, I let it go. It's a video game and I want to have fun. So I make it fun (squidramkilltime!).

I've actually turned a few crewmen who were "not listening" into listening crew members by taking the game a little less seriously (and possibly singing to them). But most of the time they were just inexperienced. I have a lot of patience, and I could care less about winning most of the time. Some people simply never talk, and if they don't I instruct those on my crew who are listening to work around them. I consider them like an AI, they will do what they will do.

They usually leave after we lose a few times. But in general I just assume everyone has no idea what they are doing and it's my job to teach them!

Remember, respect is earned. You can't expect people to listen to you just cause you are the captain. Make them want to listen. Give them direct feedback. "Oops. Okay, next time X, stay on the hull and we won't die." "Y you need to aim for the hull, it's that thick part on the bottom." "Guys, stay on the guns, if we kill them quickly they can't keep shooting us".

RearAdmiralZill:

--- Quote ---2. Relocate — Leave the problem player behind by moving to a new lobby. You can invite other players in the match to a party and take the whole gang to a new match in crew formation, leaving the troll alone in the cold.
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"Move to new lobby" does not equate to "leave the game you are playing thus ruining everyone's game."


--- Quote ---Raging at my crew happens when the other means of manipulation have been exhausted and when frustration kicks in. You are telling me it's not nice for me to ruin their experience while they are ruining mine.
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I didn't say it wasn't nice. I said it causes more problems for you than it will ever fix.


--- Quote ---I'd love to be a good captain, I think everyone in the role has the same goal as I do. But that means that I am responsible for my ship and that I feel responsible when things go wrong. If my crew members are set on not listening to me, my hands are tied. I haven't met a single person who has claimed to me that they could make people who don't listen listen. That is the issue here, I cannot do anything about this and you/Muse is refusing to give me means to do so.
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I'd love to hear about the means you expect Muse to give to you to force people to listen to you, while you also say people who don't listen simply never will. We both know not everyone is a team player, and there is no means of forcing them into that, so no tool exists that will ever net that result.

Make friends who listen. They want to have fun just as badly as you do. Ignore the troll. If they specifically target you and break the rules, report them. It has been this way since beta and no personal experience of mine, be it before and after I became a CA, has made me think we need any form of forced teamwork.

HamsterIV:
It is all well and good to rage at a crewman for disobeying orders, trolling, or just general stupidity. Try to be creative about it. My personal favorites are:
"Get to your station or I will have you flogged."
"You are a disgrace to this ship."
"You have failed your country, you have failed your crew, and worst of all you have failed ME!"
"We die here for your incompetence."
"I expect a better hit rate from you."
"You can't be trusted with that <vital job> go to the <less vital job> and let <more experienced player> take over."

Quitting mid game is just poor sportsmanship. If you must, surrender or suicide into the enemy to end the game faster. It is better to loose the match and inform the entire lobby that you are leaving the server because Player X can't take orders. That way everyone in the lobby knows Player X is to be avoided, player X is publicly shamed, and nobody bares you ill will for making their game suck.

Sgt. Spoon:
To add on what Zill and Plasma said. We can't punish people for not wanting to work together, and as such the "BRR" is designed for trolls. If you got problems with them, yes you can move, report them and hopefully they'll get handled by Muse. There is however a difference between trolls and people simply not listening to you. These will in most cases be new people, and/or people who doesn't understand the teamwork. We don't recommend you to leave and report these players, and if you do they probably won't get handled. However as said previously, you are prefectly fine to report trolls, spammers and the like.

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