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awkm:
This is what's happening:

I made the Field Gun a little better at armor breaking along with increasing gatling spread and people say that the field gun is too powerful and fulfills too many roles and the gatling is useless.  This was all an attempt to offer another piercer other than gatling.  I take the field gun's piercing out and now people tell me that now gatling is required (it is currently about half its original piercing).

Is there any middle ground?  You know, this makes my work very difficult.  But yes, I knew exactly what I was getting into when I made the field gun piercing nerf.  In fact, this reaction is purposefully elicited.

I hope this sheds light on the predicament here and on what's at stake.  For 1.3, no new guns can be added.  I am not changing damage types on guns.  The only guns that deal piercing are as follows:

- Field Gun
- Harpoon
- Gatling
- Mines

I don't want to touch harpoon until I can get more features out of it.  Mines do not significantly fulfill the role of a dynamic and offensive armor breaker.  All we have is the field gun and gatling.

I await your suggestions.

awkm:
2 other damage types are also fairly effective as armor killing (when compared to everything else)

- Fire
- Impact

The weapons that deal fire damage are:

- Flamethrower
- Banshee (by way of ignition chance)
- Any explosive weapon that has large single hit dmg like flak (ignite chance is built into explosive dmg numbers, higher the more % ignition chance)
- Flare gun
- Mines (by way of ignition chance)

The weapons that deal impact:

- Mines

RearAdmiralZill:
Point is that they didn't need to be changed in the first place. A merc buff leads back to 1.0 matches, which we all can agree no one would like. You already nerf the gat by nerfing heavy ammo, so roll with gatling unchanged and try that.

This is my opinion, but mercs and gats are fairly balanced right now. People want more options but that requires more guns which as you say, isnt going to happen now, so thats how that works.

The issue with nerfing heavy clip is then you indirectly nerf any gun that can successfully use it. Sure you get gat in there, but you also grab carronades and hwacha, which don't need nerfing (opinion). So you look at the gat itself. Maybe a small clip size nerf? Then greased will look nicer for its increased clip size, or you go for more precise fire at the cost of lower dps.

Mercs also don't need penetration. It's cool and all, but I just had to face against 5 of them pointed at me last tournament, and god forbid if they were knocking out multiple components with one shot. You would have to nerf it so hard, that it would lose its purpose to begin with, so I'm not for that.

We all appreciate the work you and Muse do for us.

Echoez:
Leave the Mercury's damage as it is in 1.2, give it the reload nerf, forget about any other buffs to it unless you still wish to give it the wider gun arc so a Spire can get 2 of these on one target with some effort.

Revert any nerfs to the gatling, it never needed them.

I would say that you need to reconsider the thought of Muzzle speed affecting raycast weapon range. It currenlty makes using both the gatling and the carronades way harder than it needs to be and carronades don't need even more indirect nerfs.

If not that, at least consider removing the muzzle speed penatly from Heavy clip, the Firing rate penatly is already more than enough of a DPS decrease for any weapon that makes use of it.

Nerf the arming time bonus on Lochnagar, please don't nerf the damage bonus to anything lower than 200% as it will break its already great synergy with the Heavy Carronade and just turn it to a HF/LJ round.

Basically.. I agree with Zill and thank you for responding here, it is much appreciated.

Surette:
Agreed with everything Zill said.

I don't think mercs needed to be changed at all. I get changing heavy clip in an attempt to make gatlings with heavy clip less ubiquitous, but as Zill said, then you're also indirectly nerfing things like carronades which are a little underused as it is after their last nerf.

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