The Fart Awakens (Spoilers)

[Riggatto]

I'm not attacking you mate. But do you notice what I'm saying?  "it would've been good, if they'd done what I say here"

[Dutch Vanya]

I'm not attacking you mate. But do you notice what I'm saying?  "it would've been good, if they'd done what I say here"

technically most of gilder's posts about goio are that too.

[James T. Kirk]

Episode 7 would have been good, had they not tossed out the extended universe. Just worked with it. Heck if they would have had Kyle Katarn on screen for even a brief cameo, I'd have been satisfied with 7. But no, Disney blows chunks.

I'm just trying to fugue out your taste in movies here, so don't take this personally, but to you, the only difference between a satisfying movie and one that "blows chucks" is a fanservice cameo?

[Squidslinger Gilder]

Katarn showing up would have meant they went with a much more interesting extended universe. Read between the lines. Heck same if they added Mara Jade or Thrawn. I just use Katarn as an example. Gotta take that example and understand what it really meant. Hence my earlier Tython reference. It would have legitimized The Old Republic storyline and provided a tie in that would have not only hit home for fans but also provided great story material for the future. You don't have to link directly to the Revan story to do something like this, just show a familiar world out of it. This is what it looks like 3000 years later/etc. Dantooine was fantastic in KOTOR part because we had never seen it in the movies and now we finally got to see it.

In fact had they done Dantooine instead of Tatooine rip off Jakku, it would have tied in with the original film and Leia's dialogue.

They didn't need to go back and retell Episode 4 to make 7. Clear this was all Disney's doing. Lucas was right in his tantrum. Disney should have broke new ground. They could have stayed retro and still done that. But they played it safe and it sucks.

[Skrimskraw]

katarn is no longer canon

[Schwalbe]

A propos things not being canon.

I love how they named a character Ben Solo, who is the son of Han Solo, and happens to also fall to dark side.

HMMMMM.

[Schwalbe]

Gilder, I've found this alternative ending on 9Gag just now:

[Squidslinger Gilder]

George Lucas Rey Sith ending...

Luke bores a cold stare into Rey...Rey holds out lightsaber...Luke continues to stare...Ewok Binks jumps out like a face hugger and latches onto Luke's face. Rey reveals she's really Plaguis.

[Schwalbe]

Also, for some reason I find this fragment dubbed in german somehow hilarious...

[Squidslinger Gilder]

I'd love to hear the Japanese dub. I could maybe actually stand Kylo if he was in Japanese.

[DJ Logicalia]

I liked it

[Hypnopotamus Rex]

I liked it

Ditto.

[Squidslinger Gilder]

I liked it

Han using the bowcaster was prolly my favorite parts.

[BlackenedPies]

I liked it

Ditto.

Same with the overwhelming majority making it solidly in third place on the highest rated Star Wars films. Don't forget that the original trilogy had its share of negative reviews and poor content. I won't comment on the new movie because I haven't seen it yet.

Remember the attack on the Death Star in IV? Let me refresh your memory. 30 Rebels in fighters (X Wings) and close support bombers (Y Wings) attack the Death Star with a population of over 1 million. The Empire is alerted to their presence but doesn't scramble any of its thousands of available fighters. The Rebels start a ground attack in which the anti-aircraft guns of the Empire prove completely ineffective and never score a hit. The Rebels continue attacking for a while until the Empire finally scrambles a single squad of fighters. This ends in a decisive rebel victory with all Tie fighters destroyed. The Y Wings begin their bombing run in which they fly down a tight corridor in the face of heavy AA with no fighter escort. Darth Vader and his two wingmen launch and engage the defenseless Y Wings and destroy them. A second group of X Wings is sent into the same corridor at seemingly the same position again without escort. They are defeated by Darth Vader without any attempt at resistance or evasion. The third and final group is again sent into the same corridor at the same position and are about to be destroyed when Han Solo flies in to save the day. Luke uses the force to destroy the Death Star. The end

[Squidslinger Gilder]

But at least Lucas tried to explain why the Empire does nothing. They are arrogant asses who don't really see them as a threat. Tie Fighters were also shieldless crap. Incredibly cheap to build but quick and effective in numbers.

The Y wings were defenseless because their shields were on double front to soak up the AA fire. Another part explained. For those that haven't played X-Wing...double front means all the shields are to the front and there is nothing behind you.

The lack of escort is part due to the fact that they don't have room to really move much in that trench. Besides that the rest of the units were busy taking on the rest of the Ties. Vader of course exploits this and takes advantage of it. Notice he really takes his sweet time. He doesn't come in guns blazing all over the place. He takes his time to line up his shots because he knows he can.

Why don't they evade him? Simply because at that point it is do or die. Breaking away and leaving the trench means they might not get another shot. Remember Vader is a famed pilot too. Its a checkmate situation. What can the other ships really do? Pull away? No it wouldn't help. Vader would stay on the leader.

As far as the Death Star goes, again a hint is dropped that they really don't consider the rebels a threat or more likely, small ships a threat. Again it's arrogance but it is either hinted well or explained. At the most the rebellion has one frigate at the time of Episode IV and a lot of transports or corvettes. If you play the X-Wing game this becomes very clear. Heck the Death Star missions were the only ones I didn't finish. Freaken things were insanely tough. You just have no real support and everything is a race against time.

Another factor to consider, but this is only really revealed in the games and later lore, is that the Imperial fighters were not ultra seasoned. They put down rebellions or just waste people here and there but they don't really have any major foe to fight. Stormtrooper accuracy is a good joke on this. The rebellion fighters are from day one put into the fight. They get seasoned much quicker.

This somewhat goes back to the Clone Wars too. Clones beat droids for similar reasons. Specially the dumb droids of the Feds. They learn, adapt, and get that seasoning.

So yeah, IV had issues but just those ones there are ones that are either hinted or explained. They can also be inferred rather easily. But here with JJ you've got big plot holes being left unanswered. This article mentions some of the big ones: http://io9.gizmodo.com/everything-thats-wrong-with-star-wars-the-force-awaken-1751756919

Would Lucas have left the same major holes? Maybe? I dunno. I remember some of the cut scenes of the prequels being moments where I thought, "why the hell did you cut that out?!" "It would have made so much better sense." But overall I think at times he tried to go into too much detail and ended up boring the fans.