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Offline Allien'

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Sunday Community Skirmish Format changes
« on: July 06, 2015, 02:20:05 pm »
In an effort to make the event more fun for teams and viewers, the event will adopt the following formats of tournaments depending on the number of teams that will sign up:
  • Double Elimination:This format will be adopted for 4 or more teams.
  • Round Robin + Final:This format will be adopted for 3 teams.
  • Best of 5: This format will be adopted for 2 teams.
*Every format will adopt the same time ruleset except for the tie breaker match in Round Robin.

Double Elimination:
  • The spawns will be defined by the place on the bracket (Up=Red).
  • Each round will be a Bo1.
  • The team that wins the winners bracket will be given the win advantage in the final.

Round Robin + Final:
  • The spawns will be defined by the place on the bracket (Up=Red).
  • Two matches in each round of the group stage.
  • Two teams with the best point difference (kills/deaths difference) advance from the group stage into the Final.
  • Ties between the second and third place will be decided by a single match with the duration of 10 minutes (highest scoring team or if equal, first kill will decide; otherwise coin toss).
  • Ties between all three teams will be decided by a match against each team with the duration of 10 minutes (highest scoring team will decide; otherwise multiple winners). No final after the three tiebreaker matches.
  • The team that wins the group stage will be given the win advantage in the final. If there is no clear winner, the two leading teams play a Bo1 final.

This changes will be applied from now on.

Kind regards

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Re: Sunday Community Skirmish Format changes
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2015, 02:29:18 pm »
welp, no more being okay with 5-4 scores in round robin style.

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Re: Sunday Community Skirmish Format changes
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2015, 09:28:56 am »

welp, no more being okay with 5-4 scores in round robin style.

Well, sure, you aren't gonna win 5-4 and be happy about it. But on the contrary the losing team gets a fair amount of points out of it too. So it's not a "The winner takes it all" mentality. The scoring system in Round Robin better reflects the skill level of the teams and the outcome of the match - and rewards each team accordingly.

You could say that if someone fights a lower skilled team and wins 5-0 and someone fights a higher skilled team and wins 5-4 it wouldn't be balanced. But at the end of the day, every permutation of team combinations will be achieved so that everyone fights versus everyone. So if there is a lower skilled team and a higher skilled team - you are going to get placed with both over the duration of the event - so you will get both the 5-0 and the 5-4 score.

At the end, it comes down to how much better your team in relation to all other playing teams is - as it should be, because if you have double elimination with 3 teams, not only that the event is really short usually, it is also potentially leaving some teams not fighting other teams and not showing their worth against different and varied opponents - Round Robin fixes that.

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Re: Sunday Community Skirmish Format changes
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2015, 10:47:04 am »
was always happy about a 5-4 win.

the score is irrelevant compared to getting the Victory screen.
in a balance where pyramidion heavily dominated, I always took the 5-4 win with a spire and goldfish with high regard of my own teams skill level.

no need to explain the validity of a round robin event tom, just chill. IM just stating the fact that a 5-4 win wont be satisfactory enough if it doesn take you to the finals.
It's not really a problem for me.
in fact i hope scs wont have to do round robins at all ;)

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Re: Sunday Community Skirmish Format changes
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2015, 11:10:24 am »
Might be irrelevant to you if you got a 5-4 win but towards both fighting teams - taking into account both of their scores is more meaningful, accurate and fair.

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Re: Sunday Community Skirmish Format changes
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2015, 12:08:18 pm »
the system is arguably problematic because certain playstyles could be more likely to concede kills when winning than others, even with a relatively equal skill gap. but I don't think it should be a huge problem in what is not a particularly hardcore scene or event.

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Re: Sunday Community Skirmish Format changes
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2015, 12:15:54 pm »
the system is arguably problematic because certain playstyles could be more likely to concede kills when winning than others, even with a relatively equal skill gap. but I don't think it should be a huge problem in what is not a particularly hardcore scene or event.

given the high demand from teams to change 3 signups to a different format. round robin is the best solution all around.