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Offline ShadedExalt

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What do you guys think of this?
« on: April 21, 2015, 08:04:44 pm »
Rock is overpowered, but Paper is perfect.
— Scissors

Offline GeoRmr

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2015, 06:21:04 am »


Offline Lanliss

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2015, 08:23:55 am »

Offline Koali

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2015, 09:19:52 am »
It's a metaphor for the unbalanced game balance.

Offline Indreams

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2015, 10:19:27 am »
Well, its not wrong. But it's not detailed enough to explain the complexity of balancing a PvP game.

I think the best example of game balance is starcraft II.
Blizzard released the game. Quite a few things were broken/op (like that early Reaper Rush). They fixed them pretty quick.
Some things were still a bit imba, so Blizzard kept twicking the numbers slightly. (1 or 2 seconds to research time. 25 or so increase to unit cost. etc. etc.)
When things were still broken, a unit was overhauled. (Void Ray, from stacking beam to activating beam).
While Blizzard was doing all that, players came up with their own balances. Coming up with strategies and unit compositions to counter what had previously seemed overpowered/imbalanced.

The above happened for a few years until the game somehow was balanced almost perfectly on all levels of play. For a while, Blizzard didn't release a huge balance patch (until Heart of the Swarm Expansion came out). And even after HoTS, the balance is finding itself.


Of course, almost no company has the resources Blizzard does. But the system of slightly twicking the seemingly imbalanced, overhauling seemingly broken, and letting the players come up with strategies (and reflecting that into balance), is a system I think Muse can use.

Balance patches should be spanner then mallet. Not mallet then spanner.

Offline David Dire

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2015, 02:00:55 pm »
I think... how you say... is boring

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2015, 02:11:55 pm »
Scissors obviously has the best perspective on this game. Rock is too caught up in high level play to concern himself over what the average player's experience is, and nobody would respect the opinion of a filthy casual like Paper. I say Scissors should have a seat on all future design meetings to make sure that his interest are protected in future patches.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2015, 04:40:54 pm »
It's saying "THAT GUY BEAT ME HIS SHIP IS OP" and "Haha, we stomped that scrub, this game is perfect."

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2015, 04:52:45 pm »
Scissors obviously has the best perspective on this game. Rock is too caught up in high level play to concern himself over what the average player's experience is, and nobody would respect the opinion of a filthy casual like Paper. I say Scissors should have a seat on all future design meetings to make sure that his interest are protected in future patches.

That is why I say a paper cut would hurt more. You expect to get beaten by rock and scissors. One is hard, the other cuts. Paper though, when you lose to paper it just stings. You can feel, deep in your soul, that you should not have lost, making it sting so deeply.

Offline HamsterIV

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2015, 05:51:29 pm »
Paper only wins because Rock feels bad for it and throws the game. Rock would win if he played serious, but he doesn't want to drive off Paper. A community consisting only of Scissors and Rock would get boring quickly.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2015, 06:56:05 pm »
Paper only wins because Rock feels bad for it and throws the game. Rock would win if he played serious, but he doesn't want to drive off Paper. A community consisting only of Scissors and Rock would get boring quickly.


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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2015, 06:57:39 pm »
^When there's a Steam Sale and the rocks are overwhelmed by a huge rush of paper.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2015, 07:54:03 pm »
Paper lost the last 5 matches to Scissors and is thinking about copying Scissors' strategy. He would have done so already except for that one time he totally wiped the floor with that Rock guy. Clearly he is doing something right, and just needs to learn how to apply the winning formula he used against Rock to take down Scissors.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2015, 11:06:55 pm »
And then Paper discovers the terrifying might of the Metamidion.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2015, 11:08:40 pm »
And then Paper discovers the terrifying might of the Metamidion.
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