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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 08, 2013, 06:04:56 pm »

All of this arguing is pointless... let's either take this to the pit, or try to help some of the newbies out

https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,245.msg2807.html#new

Since this argument has essentially gone full circle, I recommend that we lock this thread, and continue it in the pit if you so want.... Is this acceptable Aythreuk?

You guys can do what you will. I don't really need to say anything else.

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 08, 2013, 02:51:06 am »

Even if you knock that number down to 5,000, which is ridiculous by the way. The handful of people who actually play still reflects the games poor retention rate. You guys are pointlessly nit-picking.

Although, I already responded to this, as quoted, you didn't take the time to read, so I don't know why I'm taking the time to reply.

...you just ignored 99% of the posts, picked one single one to respond to, then accused everyone who isn't you... Of nit-picking.

I wouldn't exactly say that "you guys" = everyone
"You guys" in this instance referred to, you know, the people who were nit-picking.
Nice try though

*insert funny face from internet to make up for lack of an actual argument here*

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 08, 2013, 01:36:36 am »

But your so called "proof" or statistics is not very good at all. You made faulty a assumption that the people who bought the bundle, played this game, and even if they did, left because of "stacked" teams. You did not phone call each one and ask him why he doesn't play it. I have tried to convince a lot of my friends to purchase this game but many of them were completely uninterested in the game.

Just because 11k people bought the bundle does not mean they bought it for GOIO either

I knew this point would come up, feel free to knock off a few thousand from that number, it doesn't really affect it that much.

Even if you knock that number down to 5,000, which is ridiculous by the way. The handful of people who actually play still reflects the games poor retention rate. You guys are pointlessly nit-picking.

Although, I already responded to this, as quoted, you didn't take the time to read, so I don't know why I'm taking the time to reply.

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 11:05:20 pm »

The fact that you are still posting here is that you like the game, and care about the community.

Most interesting thing said by anyone in this thread. Actually as it just so happens, I do quite like the game, I think it's pretty good. So there you have it.

Also, I respect the fact the moderator won't lock the thread/ban me/give me a warning or anything. I've seen some pretty controlling mods before and some pretty censored forums.

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 10:57:28 pm »

I'm allowed to have any opinion I like actually. Unless you wish to exercise your powers as a moderator and silence my opinion.
My opinion, at its core is that this community could of benefited more from the big sales if the veterans didn't stack together constantly. Problem?

Alright... Nobody is telling you to stop voicing your opinion, but don't expect us to withhold our own...

Go ahead, keep stacking. I'm not "demanding" that you guys stop stacking. rofl, I'm just gonna play other things. Thought you'd like to know what you're doing wrong though.

this entire thread could've been avoided if you had. The fact that you are still posting here is that you like the game, and care about the community. we do too. This post was just to incite drama, and I'm sorry, but I've been through high school once... I don't want to do it again. Yes you can say that me posting here is inviting drama, but I figure I would get my two cents in.

Logic and statistics incite drama. Okay, if you say so.

I guess you could call it drama if you want, I'd call it controversy. (and I'm being generous there, there are other things I'd like to call it)

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 10:53:18 pm »

Quote from: RearAdmiralZill on Today at 09:30:19 pm

    Posts like this are why the community isnt that big.

Please provide evidence and explain.

Because anyone with your mindset will be doing the same thing, posting on the forums, claiming regular players are killing the game somehow, instead of actually playing the game.

Basically what you're saying here is ~ Players voicing their opinions on the forum (I'll admit, perhaps unfavourable ones) is bad

Quote from: RearAdmiralZill on Today at 09:30:19 pm

    Posts like this are why the community isnt that big.

Please provide evidence and explain.

Because anyone with your mindset will be doing the same thing, posting on the forums, claiming regular players are killing the game somehow, instead of actually playing the game.

    Problem is you just missed the fact they won 5-4 against us in a very good match.

That definitely isn't normal, not sure why you would post that.

Because you decided to post our match as an example. They won because they learned, changed strategies, and beat us. Not come onto the forum and point fingers at the loyal fanbase of GOIO.

I can see their loyalty very clearly here, no need to mention it. You say I point fingers. Okay. Yes, I think they stack most of the time, I'll admit, not 100% of the time. Are you saying they don't regularly stack teams? Wake up

Quote from: RearAdmiralZill on Today at 09:30:19 pm

    Posts like this are why the community isnt that big.

Please provide evidence and explain.

Because anyone with your mindset will be doing the same thing, posting on the forums, claiming regular players are killing the game somehow, instead of actually playing the game.

    Problem is you just missed the fact they won 5-4 against us in a very good match.

That definitely isn't normal, not sure why you would post that.

Because you decided to post our match as an example. They won because they learned, changed strategies, and beat us. Not come onto the forum and point fingers at the loyal fanbase of GOIO.

    No one is forcing you to press the ready button. The title of the match is not "New player game!"

Quite often there will only be two-three matches up at all. And when one of those is Asian and another is European, my options are very limited. Me and my friend actually did what you said a few times this week. We didn't hit the ready button, had to just go play something else.

Good. And just because a server is not located in your area does not make it unplayable. I play on Euro and Asian servers all the time. While only US servers would be nice, its not always feasible.

I played on a European server once. I was the captain and my crew all spoke some European language. Thanks but no thanks. You could say practically anything is "playable", it doesn't really say much.

Quote from: RearAdmiralZill on Today at 09:30:19 pm

    Posts like this are why the community isnt that big.

Please provide evidence and explain.

Because anyone with your mindset will be doing the same thing, posting on the forums, claiming regular players are killing the game somehow, instead of actually playing the game.

    Problem is you just missed the fact they won 5-4 against us in a very good match.

That definitely isn't normal, not sure why you would post that.

Because you decided to post our match as an example. They won because they learned, changed strategies, and beat us. Not come onto the forum and point fingers at the loyal fanbase of GOIO.

    No one is forcing you to press the ready button. The title of the match is not "New player game!"

Quite often there will only be two-three matches up at all. And when one of those is Asian and another is European, my options are very limited. Me and my friend actually did what you said a few times this week. We didn't hit the ready button, had to just go play something else.

Good. And just because a server is not located in your area does not make it unplayable. I play on Euro and Asian servers all the time. While only US servers would be nice, its not always feasible.

    Stacked teams is a poor excuse for not learning from defeats.

Quote the part where I don't learn from my defeats.

The moment you logged onto the servers and posted this thread instead of playing the game.

Basically, the moment I spoke my opinion and stopped playing your glorious game.
C'mon, you're just being ridiculous now.

You are typing a lot, but saying very little.

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 10:43:56 pm »

I'm allowed to have any opinion I like actually. Unless you wish to exercise your powers as a moderator and silence my opinion.
My opinion, at its core is that this community could of benefited more from the big sales if the veterans didn't stack together constantly. Problem?

I never said that you didn't have the right to an opinion. That's just misquoting for the sake of misquoting. I said that you are not informed enough to understand the growth that the community has seen recently. Nothing to do with opinions.

And please don't suggest out of nowhere that I would censor what you say. That would be against the mod rules, and would be plainly stupid. I don't even have mod powers in this section.

Thank you very much. Then I will continue to have my opinion about the community and judge it freely.

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 10:34:15 pm »

You can say that I was whining, you're clearly going to say what you want regardless. I'd like to believe I was simply informing you of the reasons why your community is small and didn't grow at all much in that huge sale.

I'm sorry, but you're in no position to judge the growth of the community. It wasn't that long ago that I was getting seriously worried about the size of the game's community. The recent influx of players from various promotions has reignited the game. I hadn't seen 300 players online since... Well... When the game launched in October.

I'm allowed to have any opinion I like actually. Unless you wish to exercise your powers as a moderator and silence my opinion.
My opinion, at its core is that this community could of benefited more from the big sales if the veterans didn't stack together constantly. Problem?

http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/

Aythreuk, I'd like to draw your attention to #1 and #4.

Every time an experienced player takes a newbie under his wing, and teaches him how to play, that's a kindness. Every time a player on a winning team switches to a losing team to balance the teams, that's a kindness. Demanding that players always behave this way ignoring all other circumstances, which include
-Playing with friends
-Playing with teammates
-Playing with vocal partners
-Playing with people you know are cooperative and helpful

is just wrong. The strength of this community is that experienced players frequently provide kindnesses to those who are just beginning or on the wrong side of the battle, but demanding that the kindness becomes a law is absurd. In fairness though, you aren't doing that. You're just blaming literally everyone for an abstract vaguery.

Good day sir.

Go ahead, keep stacking. I'm not "demanding" that you guys stop stacking. rofl, I'm just gonna play other things. Thought you'd like to know what you're doing wrong though.

This may surprise you, but playing against your pals is actually still a form of playing with them.

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 10:04:33 pm »

Ummm. Less players? The week before the purchase there was 17 to 30 players waiting on the busiest times when I played. Now there is usually over 1 hundred. I'd say MORE players my friend.

Stacked teams is either usually two things. One: you jumped into a clan match where a trained and experienced clan is practicing (sometimes against another clan). Or two: the culmination of ol' pals slowly getting on and joining games. Experienced players stack teams not because they want to crush all oncomers (what fun is that, it's the close hard won victories that are the sweetest), we stack 'cause we know each other, want to play with each other, and have a blast doing it (literally).

One factor that will help with stacking is mics. If you get GOIO I HIGHLY advise you purchase a mic. You'll be MUCH better and the game is just loads of fun. I played a game today with three guys I'd never met, all three relatively new. They had mics and IT. WAS. A. BLAST. I honestly had some of the best games today. I like to join teams and crews with mics, cause it's just fun to talk to people.

This may surprise you, but playing against your pals is actually still a form of playing with them.
There are clans that all stack up in a public game and just sit there waiting for... anybody? No comment.
Clan vs clan practice? Game passwords.


Next please.

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 09:59:28 pm »

Posts like this are why the community isnt that big.

Please provide evidence and explain.

Problem is you just missed the fact they won 5-4 against us in a very good match.

That definitely isn't normal, not sure why you would post that.

No one is forcing you to press the ready button. The title of the match is not "New player game!"

Quite often there will only be two-three matches up at all. And when one of those is Asian and another is European, my options are very limited. Me and my friend actually did what you said a few times this week. We didn't hit the ready button, had to just go play something else.

Stacked teams is a poor excuse for not learning from defeats.

Quote the part where I don't learn from my defeats.

Just because 11k people bought the bundle does not mean they bought it for GOIO either

I knew this point would come up, feel free to knock off a few thousand from that number, it doesn't really affect it that much.

but whining about stacked teams will not make you a better GOIO player.

You can say that I was whining, you're clearly going to say what you want regardless. I'd like to believe I was simply informing you of the reasons why your community is small and didn't grow at all much in that huge sale.


I knew posting here would bring about these kinds of responses, due to the fact that only veterens will search the forums, and veterans probably don't like having their attention brought to these facts. Basically, my thread was doomed from the beginning.

Maybe I'm illogical.

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 09:14:29 pm »

Yeah, I can't speak for everyone in the game but I find most people easygoing and agreeable.  That being said I really learned a lot by flying against all those stacked teams that I flew against when I started.  I had a lot of losses flying in those games but it definitely made me better.  I can't tell you how proud I was the first time I made Firestone rage quit.

I would say you could learn a lot more in balanced teams because then you have experienced people on your team and you can see what they're actually doing on board. You can't see what the enemy is doing on board.

That and you know, balanced teams would make people want to actually play the game.

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The Pit / Re: "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 08:57:52 pm »

I'll admit that I often play on a stacked side, since I generally like to fly with the people I know and have met through the game, and I have been more or less flying with since I bought it.  For me it's enjoyable to socialize and chat while flying through the skies and vanquishing foes.  That being said I usually don't mind evening out teams if asked.  It often only takes two ships switching, with one going up and one going down to balance out experience levels and I'm always happy to do that.

I'm glad to hear that . . . kind of?
Usually I would say something and be ignored as the blatantly and shamelessly stacked team continues to blabber among themselves.

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The Pit / "Guns of Icarus" fans, holding game back.

« on: March 05, 2013, 08:44:48 pm »

Hello.
Some of you may be aware that "Guns of Icarus Online" was basically the featured game of Indie Royales latest bundle.
Which, as of posting this had sold 11,112 bundles. That's 11,112 new players coming into Guns of Icarus this week and at least trying it out.
http://www.indieroyale.com/
You can see the exact sales numbers on that link for the next 2 days of posting this at least, after that the bundle will be off sale and you probably won't be able to see the sales statistics. It's the "Mash Bundle"

Usually, there is maybe.. what? 100-200 players online at some of the games busier times. So you might ask yourself, where is this flock of players who were probably playing Guns of Icarus for the first time at some point this week. Where did they go?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=130962903

This is what you did to them. Guess where they went? To play the other games in their bundle.
This game could of potentially received a healthy boost to it's playerbase this week, but it didn't due to these kind of team stacks.
If you try to tell me team stacking isn't common in this game, while I can't provide evidence of that (not sure how I would anyway, conduct a huge survey?), I will just laugh at you.