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Guides / Re: Mine Gunner Tips
« on: February 12, 2022, 10:14:28 pm »
CORRECTION:
Burst ammo has a shorter arming distance than normal.
Burst ammo has a shorter arming distance than normal.
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Guides / Aim points illustration
« on: July 15, 2018, 03:55:27 am »
This image was posted in the GoI discord, and illustrates where mines will arm. For loch, I personally just use the "balloon at crosshair" thing but the tip of the mine launcher works too.
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Guides / Mine Gunner Tips
« on: July 14, 2018, 08:48:09 pm »
The mine launcher is the hardest in the game to use effectively, but the most satisfying to hit with.
Ammo Types and range:
Due to the nature of shooting mines aggressively, range, and ammo types that affect range, are highly important.
The ammo types I use are Lesmok, normal, incendiary, and lochnagar, in order of arming distance. This gives me 4 separate ranges, not counting ship motion, as explained below.
Burst can be used as well, and has the same arming distance and aiming method as normal ammo, with the benefit of extra AOE, but I personally find the utility of other ammo like loch and lesmok outweighs the stronger disable.
Aiming the damn things:
Because mines arm at a set distance, it is important to estimate range using the map, or, much less commonly, the rangefinder.
On the map, each square is 500x500, and the diagonal is approximately 700m. Use this to gauge the distance to the enemy ship.
The goal is for mines to arm so that enemy ships hit them. Direct hits do much less damage and do not disable. This is why it is necessary to think ahead to consider where the target might go within the next 3-10 seconds.
The exception with direct hits is lochnagar ammo in some circumstances, as it still does 421 damage to armor on direct hit. Therefore, if someone is ramming you, or at point blank, particularly on a munker with a kill side, don't worry too much about point blank direct hits with lochnagar as that will likely soften them enough to go for a kill or make their ram an unwise decision. Be careful with loch mines though, as they will really hurt if your ship runs into a stray one.
Conveniently, various parts of the mine launcher serve as indicators as to where the mines will arm.
Aim points and arm distance:
(values in hull lenghts are roughly approximated)
Lesmok: arms at tip of yellow pipe, 280.5m
Normal: arms at top of left side mount, 165m
Incendiary: Arms at middle of wheel, 115.5m
Lochnagar: Mine balloon at crosshair, 66m
When leading mines, it is important to consider the velocity of both ships, yours, and the target.
This is how your ship motion affects arming distance precisely, although these values are for top speed only.
Squid top speed w/o moonshine:
Travel in direction of ship: +/- 141m (for side just lead accordingly)
-with loch: +/- 47m
Junker top speed w/o moonshine:
Travel in direction of ship: +/- 90m
-with Loch: +/- 30m
Pyramidion top speed w/o moonshine:
Travel in direction of ship: +/- 96m
-with Loch: +/- 32m
Remember that this is only relative to your ship, use target ship as your frame of reference.
e.g, if your ships are not moving relative to each other (moving with same velocity), aim as if both ships are static,
intending for a mine to deploy in the target ship's direction of travel relative to the world.
When leading ships, remember the deploy time is 3s, or 1s with lochnagar.
Basically, make a mental note of how far the enemy ship travels in 1s and lead three times that if not using lochnagar.
It is also important to try to predict what sort of evasive action the enemy ship will take.
Lead a bit more if other ship is slightly inside your arming distance, although this makes mines easier to dodge.
Large angles relative to other ship affect the effective arming distance
so you don't need to do mental trig:
60deg (max arc from center) => 1/2 distance, 45deg => ~70% distance, 30deg => ~86% distance
Quick and dirty leading for ships at max speed traveling normal to mine gun:
For most ships use ~4.5 hull lengths, closer to 4 for slow ships, closer to 5 for faster ships, difference is small though)
Notably faster ships
Magnate: ~5 hull lengths
shrike: ~6 hull lengths
Goldfish: just over ~6 hull lengths
squid: ~7 hull lengths
Only use these as a starting point for mental estimations, or if you don't have enough time. Remember these are only for top speed, so I personally find it more useful to simply observe their motion and adjust my aim.
Some examples would be if you are almost out of arc and captain can't bring you back in arc, or you have to shoot
immediately, like if a shrike is doing a pass with hwacha or some other situation with immediately imminent disable.
Ammo Types and range:
Due to the nature of shooting mines aggressively, range, and ammo types that affect range, are highly important.
The ammo types I use are Lesmok, normal, incendiary, and lochnagar, in order of arming distance. This gives me 4 separate ranges, not counting ship motion, as explained below.
Burst can be used as well, and has the same arming distance and aiming method as normal ammo, with the benefit of extra AOE, but I personally find the utility of other ammo like loch and lesmok outweighs the stronger disable.
Aiming the damn things:
Because mines arm at a set distance, it is important to estimate range using the map, or, much less commonly, the rangefinder.
On the map, each square is 500x500, and the diagonal is approximately 700m. Use this to gauge the distance to the enemy ship.
The goal is for mines to arm so that enemy ships hit them. Direct hits do much less damage and do not disable. This is why it is necessary to think ahead to consider where the target might go within the next 3-10 seconds.
The exception with direct hits is lochnagar ammo in some circumstances, as it still does 421 damage to armor on direct hit. Therefore, if someone is ramming you, or at point blank, particularly on a munker with a kill side, don't worry too much about point blank direct hits with lochnagar as that will likely soften them enough to go for a kill or make their ram an unwise decision. Be careful with loch mines though, as they will really hurt if your ship runs into a stray one.
Conveniently, various parts of the mine launcher serve as indicators as to where the mines will arm.
Aim points and arm distance:
(values in hull lenghts are roughly approximated)
Lesmok: arms at tip of yellow pipe, 280.5m
Normal: arms at top of left side mount, 165m
Incendiary: Arms at middle of wheel, 115.5m
Lochnagar: Mine balloon at crosshair, 66m
When leading mines, it is important to consider the velocity of both ships, yours, and the target.
This is how your ship motion affects arming distance precisely, although these values are for top speed only.
Squid top speed w/o moonshine:
Travel in direction of ship: +/- 141m (for side just lead accordingly)
-with loch: +/- 47m
Junker top speed w/o moonshine:
Travel in direction of ship: +/- 90m
-with Loch: +/- 30m
Pyramidion top speed w/o moonshine:
Travel in direction of ship: +/- 96m
-with Loch: +/- 32m
Remember that this is only relative to your ship, use target ship as your frame of reference.
e.g, if your ships are not moving relative to each other (moving with same velocity), aim as if both ships are static,
intending for a mine to deploy in the target ship's direction of travel relative to the world.
When leading ships, remember the deploy time is 3s, or 1s with lochnagar.
Basically, make a mental note of how far the enemy ship travels in 1s and lead three times that if not using lochnagar.
It is also important to try to predict what sort of evasive action the enemy ship will take.
Lead a bit more if other ship is slightly inside your arming distance, although this makes mines easier to dodge.
Large angles relative to other ship affect the effective arming distance
so you don't need to do mental trig:
60deg (max arc from center) => 1/2 distance, 45deg => ~70% distance, 30deg => ~86% distance
Quick and dirty leading for ships at max speed traveling normal to mine gun:
For most ships use ~4.5 hull lengths, closer to 4 for slow ships, closer to 5 for faster ships, difference is small though)
Notably faster ships
Magnate: ~5 hull lengths
shrike: ~6 hull lengths
Goldfish: just over ~6 hull lengths
squid: ~7 hull lengths
Only use these as a starting point for mental estimations, or if you don't have enough time. Remember these are only for top speed, so I personally find it more useful to simply observe their motion and adjust my aim.
Some examples would be if you are almost out of arc and captain can't bring you back in arc, or you have to shoot
immediately, like if a shrike is doing a pass with hwacha or some other situation with immediately imminent disable.
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Feedback and Suggestions / Re: Prioritize large lobbies in matchmaking
« on: September 27, 2016, 09:55:27 pm »
I just realized the game did have that option and now feel like an idiot.
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Feedback and Suggestions / Prioritize large lobbies in matchmaking
« on: September 27, 2016, 04:17:58 pm »
I just got back into Guns of Icarus after about a year, and realized what I had been missing initially: massive nightly lobbies in 4v4 and occasionally 3v3 full of the coolest and most welcoming people of any online game I have played.
There should at least be an option to prioritize large lobbies in matchmaking. Some of my most memorable and intense games have been 4v4. I only started playing 4v4 because of a friend inviting me to their crew. It would help out newbies and veterans alike. Players seeking more strategic matches with competent, cooperative teammates would benefit. Newer players (assuming basic game knowledge) could, if they choose be exposed to a generally higher level of gameplay, full of knowledgeable captains more than willing to instruct their crew how to properly do their job. This should be optional of course, in case someone prefers 2v2, but this option would consolidate the online playerbase at any given time for more fun, strategic, and intense matches where a wider variety of ship builds and strategies are viable.
As a sidenote: making more maps 4v4 is the only sane thing to do
EDIT:
When I mention newer players, I don't generally mean total novices with no idea what they're doing and should play some games against other novices to get familiar with the game. I mean people who have played enough to get the hang of the basic game mechanics, but want to improve.
There should at least be an option to prioritize large lobbies in matchmaking. Some of my most memorable and intense games have been 4v4. I only started playing 4v4 because of a friend inviting me to their crew. It would help out newbies and veterans alike. Players seeking more strategic matches with competent, cooperative teammates would benefit. Newer players (assuming basic game knowledge) could, if they choose be exposed to a generally higher level of gameplay, full of knowledgeable captains more than willing to instruct their crew how to properly do their job. This should be optional of course, in case someone prefers 2v2, but this option would consolidate the online playerbase at any given time for more fun, strategic, and intense matches where a wider variety of ship builds and strategies are viable.
As a sidenote: making more maps 4v4 is the only sane thing to do
EDIT:
When I mention newer players, I don't generally mean total novices with no idea what they're doing and should play some games against other novices to get familiar with the game. I mean people who have played enough to get the hang of the basic game mechanics, but want to improve.
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