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World / Re: Government in the GOIO

« on: November 25, 2014, 08:16:34 pm »

I recall a Muse mentioning a relationship between the Angleans and Arashi. It was something about how since the Angleans have the technological know-how and the Arashi have the raw materials, they're trade "buddies".

Also, I think it's safe to say that the Yeshans think everyone outside of their influence are barbarians. 

Also also, I'd recommend looking over the old map. Even though Muse has said that it's no longer the "official" map, I think it gives a good idea on the direction they were going with the factions, who lives in them, and what they're capable of. It's actually because of it that I doubt the Arashi are simply a bunch of small city-based tribes, but a group of small nations who kept their old-world identity (Which would give off a tribal feeling).

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World / Re: Government in the GOIO

« on: October 26, 2014, 04:12:08 am »

We haven't mentioned the Arashi league yet.

They are described as

The small tribal families, warbands, and rag tag groups are fiercely independent

So, some sort of loose confederation? Or like the pirates in the Pirates of the Caribbean, held together by a vague code of conduct?

I think that sentence is referring to a past League, where borders were being drawn, pacts signed, etc within the desert.

I'm guessing that the League is a commonwealth-alliance mix similar to the real world CIS, but with them sharing a common currency, military, and language. Plus, given that the desert is just western Europe turned sideways and it's called the "Arashi League", I'm gambling that Muse is basing the League off of the League of Nations, which was (or what Wilson wanted to be) similar to a commonwealth.

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World / Re: Mercury Field Gun- Repurposed

« on: August 06, 2014, 11:55:32 pm »

But not all field guns are artillery pieces, take for instance the Flak 88, not only was it a very powerful AA weapon but was used as an anti-tank weapon when engaged on the gun. Most Anti-tank weapons we think of today are portable rocket/missile weaponry, however there were also large caliber weapons made specifically for engaging tanks at a distance.

Take for instance the following weapons:

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Those are not artillery guns but rather anti-tank weapons, while the premise is similar (being able to lob munition at an enemy at a distance) the way both of them do it is differently. An artillery piece is made for launching munitions from a safe location, hence their ability to fire at an angle, anti-tank guns are used as direct support at the front.

AT guns are actually under the classification of artillery as well, just under the category of anti-tank artillery. "Artillery" is just the broad term for large caliber guns in general, with various subcategories like howitzers, mortars, anti-aircraft, etc.

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World / Re: The Arashi League

« on: April 01, 2014, 10:40:32 pm »

Since when was Arashi european. I always thought that Arashi was inspired by the Middle East.

As Jaeger posted, a video mentions it.

Also, if you look at the map, Arashi towns are named in mostly Western European languages.

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World / Re: Question: Weapons of the World of GoI?

« on: April 01, 2014, 10:13:21 pm »

great analysis, wonder why nobody's replied until now- I spent a good few hours on wikipedia afterwards looking up everything you mentioned.

Makes me wonder why we still use gatling guns.

Why thank you. Naturally, there is a lot I didn't cover (Like light/GP and heavy machine guns and intermediate rounds), but I'm glad what I put was enough.

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World / Re: Question: Weapons of the World of GoI?

« on: March 01, 2014, 07:52:45 pm »

I thought way too much into this, but here it goes.


So, I pondered about this for some time now, and I personally came to the conclusion that there would be a reasonably large variety of weapons, both old and advanced (For the early - mid 1900s) with a decent amount of them being capable of being manufactured even in a post-apocalyptic world. I'm talking about everything between wooden stock, clip-fed bolt-actions and revolver/self-loading semi-auto pistols to stamped steel assault rifles and full-auto machine pistols, and back again.

Rather than going completely into the madness that was my mind when thinking about this, I'll just go into the "jist" of it. Also, correct any lore bit that I get wrong, please -


The first thing I naturally considered was where firearms and ballistics would be after 50 years of continuous warfare (and keeping it as simple as possible), while keeping in mind that the war was devastating enough to end civilization. To do this, I started from the beginning, or atleast where Guns of Icarus' timeline begins to split. It's 1917, WW1 is somehow still in completely full swing, with myself assuming that the Russian Empire is still part of the Triple Entente and the United States still enters the war on the Entente's side. Weapons at this point are at the same point they were in history, with the primary rifle still being bolt-actions, self-loading pistols just starting to slowly replace revolvers, and the light machine gun still not exactly being light.

However, since fighting continues into 1918 and 1919, weapons like the American BAR, German MP-18, French RSC M1917, and the Russian Federov Avtomat see more action than they historically did, although the Federov a bit less so. The BAR would probably make an even more significant impact than it already historically did, possibly to the point that it kills the MP-18 and the SMG concept. However, that would be highly debatable, so I personally compromised that while the full barreled SMG dies, the machine pistol (Like the Mauser C-96) gains renewed interest, giving the self-loading pistol competition. The RSC M1917 seeing more action would make such a ridiculous impact, that rifles like the M1922 Bang and the such would probably be actually adopted.

The big thing however would be the Federov. While I personally doubt it'd be an immediate hit due to the impact of the BAR and RSC M1917, it'd be the bee's knees in the early-mid '20s, and everyone would be jumping on the assault rifle wagon. Although it'd probably take until the late '20s and potentially early '30s for nations to choose an intermediate round, build an assault rifle, switch production lines, then field it. The resulting rifles would probably look pretty cool though, T20 Garand made in 1930 anyone?

The 1930s would be where things get interesting though. The world has been in a continuous war for over ten years, and some of the smaller nations have probably fallen apart or been annexed by now. Keeping in mind that other things will have naturally advanced as well (Like tanks, planes, etc.), countries would probably be looking towards making more simpler and easier to manufacture firearms to ease up on the lumber and cost, meaning that guns at this point would possibly start being made with fewer internal parts, and be mostly stamped/turned/whatever steel later in the '30s.

Things would be rough by the '40s. A decent amount of Europe and East Asia would probably be abandoned due to war and random clouds of chemical death floating around. Nations would start designing/redesigning weapons that could be made in basements if need be and probably be back to clip-feeding in the early '40s, and by the late '40s they'd be back down to using high-capacity bolt-actions and revolvers/semi-auto pistols.

By the '50s, well, everyone would be too busy killing each other for food, water, or fun to design guns.

Now, what does this all mean for Guns of Icarus' time period?  Like everyone else said, bolt-actions, lever actions, revolvers, and breech loaders would be the absolute norm. However, I could see late-war designed, clip-fed semi-auto rifles and pistols made entirely out of steel be somewhat common, full-auto machine pistols not being common, but not being rare either (They'd probably gain alot of popularity with aircrews), and full-auto steel rifles being borderline rare. I could also see guns with detachable magazines (Along with having extra magazines) or wooden stocks a sign of wealth (and a fashion statement).

All in all in a true jist, while I can see guns in Guns of Icarus being mostly old style stuff, I also think that more "modern" weapons wouldn't be less fitting.