Guns Of Icarus Online
Off-Topic => The Lounge => Topic started by: Chernobyl Trash on March 31, 2016, 11:13:56 am
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Not trying to start a fire but do you think Muse would cave like Blizzard did if someone complained about the female models in Guns of Icarus?
Link for all those who don't know about the subject's title: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/167046-Overwatch-Sexy-Tracer-Pose-to-Be-Removed (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/167046-Overwatch-Sexy-Tracer-Pose-to-Be-Removed)
(http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/1303/1303930.png)
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Yes, Muse would defiantly respond if a section of their player base felt a part of their game was offensive. Heck if you send an email to feedback@musegames.com just saying hi a developer would respond with in a day or two. Once I loudly complained that the women in GOI were getting better hat models than the men and a few months later the hats in question were made available for the male character models. I don't think muse would do something so stupid as the over the shoulder butt shot in their game. Their development staff has a fairly even woman to man ratio, and this sort of crap would be call out long before it got to deployment.
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see: http://gunsoficarus.com/community/forumarchive/discussion/comment/13681#Comment_13681
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Of course they would. This community has a decent number of female players in it. Ones who get harassed just about anytime they open their mouths. The pose isn't an artsy piece, it's geared towards sex appeal. Hence the well defined butt crack. If it wasn't so well defined, it probably wouldn't be much of an issue. This is just a problem of Tracer's character design calling for skin tight pants. Yet frankly, even with skin tights, the butt crack shouldn't be that pronounced. The fabric should be stretching across it. Thus the crack should be partially covered. Likely the character designers wanted that sex appeal in there so they went baby got back all over it.
Blizzard knows Overwatch will likely have a rather large female population. Especially because the female fighters in it are so freaken awesome in design.
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If I had an ass like that in goio I would play in 3rd person
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ugh, that looks like a really uncomfortable wedgie, or maybe it's just body paint.
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What is bad about blizzard inserting some eye candy into the game? Imho people should ask for more, not complain about it.
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(http://i.imgur.com/rufhRhh.png)
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I find it funny, how much I roll my eyes on both the pose itself (especially on hoooow maaatuuuuure it is *cough* *cough*) and people who made all this drama (because it's as much retarded as calling Diablo or Doom "satanic" - only Squirrels can be called "Satanic" *cough* *cough* *coughs blood* (I guess I should see a damned felcher))
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Well, I have been asking for this as a new engineer outfit.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/44/5c/92/445c925559ec689d2fc5b690fb7ecb2c.jpg)
Would that balance the scales?
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lol, Overwatch, Sharia Edition...
Eye candy all depends on the demographic being sold to. It's fan service but considering how bad fan service can get, Blizzard's is rather tasteful. Tracer as a character is already plenty attractive anyways. Heck she practically sold Overwatch to me when I saw the first video. Love the accent and the style she brings.
However in this incident it seems like Blizzard was already questioning the pose before something was said. If I was on the team, I'd question it because it simply cheapens the character. She comes off as a very spunky fun character, not a pin up doll model. It's like what's her face in Jurassic World running around in high heels. It cheapened that character. However there seems to be this massive high heel fetish group that demands it in everything.
Tracer's character ultimately didn't need a butt crack the size of beggar's canyon, let alone a pose which highlights it. Her being a super model that reeks of sex from every pore is counter to her personality. Course if the game was made in Japan, we'd not only have the butt crack but we'd have characters like this...
(http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/6/1/3/6/4/7/eurogamer-cnotrb.jpg/EG11/resize/300x-1/quality/80/format/jpg)
I'm sorry but that's just beyond stupid. I feel no sorrow for Kojima being fired. The guy was notorious with ruining characters with fan service. The only consolation is that they didn't make her boobs the size of hindenburgs like they usually do in everything. But then you have the rare reverse where the Japanese writer understands that a character can be sexy without showing skin or making their boobs fly into orbit.
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An entire character isn't founded upon open sexuality, therefore they should be a complete nun. There is no middle ground. Happy, bubbly, silly women are clearly incapable of harboring or expressing any sexual tendencies either physically or in speech/action.
In truth, I don't really give a shit. I'm getting Overwatch butt or not, because I'm not buying it for the arse and cleavage; I'm getting it because it looks fun to play. I just think people should care 1000% less. I say sexualise whoever and whatever you like in your creation, be that everyone or no one. If you feel the balance of who is sexualised and who isn't is tipped unfairly, be more willing to show skin/flirtaciousness/libido in male characters instead of advocating for almost right-wing levels of censorship. Sex appeal is not nearly as horrendous as it is painted. Hell, to generalise that all men act like apes in the presence of an arse and cannot see the person it is attached to, or claim that rival female sexuality from a completely fantastical character drives women out of social groups and hobbies is a hugely sexist proposition, depending on which one you take.
That's the principle of it, the way I see it, and I'm not someone who really cares much for fan service. I find it distracting and often transparent. In games like Mass Effect, for example, it hampers a lot of the more emotional conversations with extremely clear examples of "look at this arse, don't you wanna bend her over and have a tea party on it?" in the camera work/character design during very serious and played-straight moments. That being said, what made the romance of Mass Effect so compelling for many players was actually the characters and personalities of the candidates for it. That's all you'll see the players talk about when being serious about who they chose and why, which, to me, kind of shows most people that absorb themselves in any kind of fantasy setting have the brain juice to disassociate sexualisation from character, or take it as part of the character without it conflicting with anything. Despite my complaints, I respect the rights of Bioware to make the game how they see fit, same with Blizzard, and if they are seeing fit to accept this criticism and change it, so be it. All I can hope is that they considered it and agreed with what was leveled at them, instead of having a company meeting with PR staff that advised them to cave into ideas they did not agree with, because having any kind of artistic expression, no matter how tacky or slight, be dictated by outside people with ideology behind them is a sad precedent.
As for Guns of Icarus? Lol. The character models and cosmetics are not nearly appealing enough for sexualisation anyway. And none of the player avatars actually have a personality, so it's a non-issue. If Muse wanted to release a swimsuit pack, why the hell not? Not that I'd really want that, it'd look stupid.
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This thread is making it very hard to hide the fact that I'm a dirty SJW
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This thread is making it very hard to hide the fact that I'm a dirty SJW
Earn that badge, say something that would get you the label ;)
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Real SJWs are not aware that they are SJWs. You can't fool us.
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*slams fists on table*
MORE BUTTS
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/142953cf0f152cc296400bea5bc622ce/tumblr_inline_ngh9lrFQpA1smpfqt.jpg)
MORE UPSKIRTS
(http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/peach/screen-3.jpg)
MORE UNREALISTIC CONTORTIONS!
(http://i.imgur.com/4XkQMiU.png)
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This post serves as a humorous counter to the arguement of desexualizing women who have no reason to be sexualized by providing the counterpoint of sexualizing men who have no reason to be sexualized in an attempt to show it's just as silly.
tl;dr everyone wants games that are super realistic, let's not stop at character models.
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tl;dr everyone wants games that are super artistic, let's not stop at character models.
FTFY
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Butts and tits are all fine, even over-the-top poses, scenes and outfits are fine.
Only as long as they are in line with the character, that should also be in an over the top situation.
Exempli Gratia: The anime Kill la Kill. There are asses and tits flashing everywhere., but it' sale in line with the characters and with the story, you even end up not caring about all this flashiness after a while.
Men, except SJWs, because SJWs, love butts and tits, but when they are put around just to be appealing to deluded men or hornyteens they are just annoyances.
You know Ivy from the Soul Calibur combat game? She is a milktank, extremely unpleasant to see, with an attitude that only a masochist could like. THAT is over the top in every way you try to look at her, she is just a show of boobs, nothing more, she doesn't have real BEAUTY.
If you want to make someone really appealing as a character, there must be balance, the must be REAL beauty, not big-boobs-big-ass beauty.
Beauty in balance and moderation. I'll still be appreciative of a good pair of tits and a well shaped ass, but don't give them the size of a fucking Galleon and make the uber-flashy.
This is about female characters.
About male characters, I think we need less of the young moron that thanks to fate and luck becomes a hero.
We need more manly characters, manly Clint Eastwood level-> Obviously McCree is one of my favourites in Overwatch.
I still personally think that the female model in GoiO is better looking than the male, as soon as I'll have a beard and moustache to cover that ugly face of his, I'll be happy.
Or even a bulky full body armour. I love full body armours.
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I heard a call for more butts
(http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/avengers_booty_ass_emble_by_kevinbolk-d4hb4xl.jpg)
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Bottom line, if you put in fan service I'm going to like your product less because I don't like being patronized. The arguments given for removing that image in that post did not move me (if you are wondering why, they were vague and relied on social theories which are epistemically unsound), but I'm glad they replaced the pose because from what I've seen it was horribly out of place. It added nothing to the character.If I had to guess I would say it was done to satisfy 14 year old boys, not for artistic reasons. I don't think every female character has to be some bland, sexually disinterested carbon copy of every Mary Sue out there, but I'm also unimpressed when an opportunity to make a work better is sacrificed at the altar of the emotionally immature. Come to think of it, the last part of that sentence describes my feelings on both extremes of this discussion.
As far as the GoI devs caving in to social pressure, dunno. They are a company and the idiots on both sides of this debate are vocal, aggressive and kinda nuts. It might just be safer to cave to whoever is loudest so they can get back to game making were the issue to come up.
That said I think they do a pretty decent job providing folks with a wide variety of role play options for their characters without making a whole bunch of unfortunate implications. The top tier female engineers suit isn't two buttons and two pieces of string or other such bullcrap where level and amount of revealing dress is correlated. People are given choices without mechanics or lore or gameplay implying what those choices mean in stereotypical ways, at least as far as I can tell.
Of course I'm the last person whose opinions should be courted when it comes to the games customization options.
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I just think this video is appropriate on this thread...
https://youtu.be/7WJJ7dGpsL4
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WE REQUIRE MOAR BIG EYED ANIME GIRLS
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YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS!
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WE REQUIRE MOAR BIG EYED ANIME GIRLS
And they must have cleavages that couldn't fit through Canyon Ambush!
Do what we say Muse, else we give you no money!!!
#WhenMusewentindy
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https://youtu.be/ZmLkVtqjf1A
more than just possible offensiveness going into Blizzard's decision to change Tracer's pose