Guns Of Icarus Online

Off-Topic => The Pit => Topic started by: C r o w on February 06, 2016, 04:49:04 am

Title: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 06, 2016, 04:49:04 am
Ok, now, even if I think that I'm too low leveled to complain, I found in recent matches that even if a crewman left, it would be still be a manageable situation, someone else might join, or we'd would have to rely on the AI.
On the other hand, when the captain left, everything was almost totally screwed, in particular for the fact that only cap'ns have flight-helping tools, can command AIs
(we all know how AIs in "do as you were" mode are retarded), and activate respawns (before the the forced respawn anyway)
I think that after a crewman leaves there should be the possibility to change your class during the match, even more if the captain slot becomes empty mid-match.

Feel free to contradict me anytime
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: BlackenedPies on February 06, 2016, 06:26:00 am
Really now... Well every 6 months or so I send Muse a reminder to allow players to freely change class during match but they think it'll cause cheating. I recently sent the reminder so I'll try again in 5 months. You can try feedback@musegames.com
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Daft Loon on February 06, 2016, 06:35:40 am
The ability to command the AI is given to the person at the top of the crew list if the captain leaves already, along with control over respawning.

That aside a field promotion mechanic would be good to have. At its simplest it could just be a popup option "take over as pilot - yes/no" where clicking yes moves you to the captain slot and changes you to your first pilot loadout or a default 'emergency' loadout; maybe Claw-Kerosene-Drogue Chute.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 06, 2016, 07:00:55 am
I'm sorry to hear that BlackenedPies
To Daft, thank for the info about AIs and respawn.
And what you said is exactly what I'd do about class change!
Really, I had a hellish time once while driving a Pyra as a gunner, apart from the fact that also another crewman left so that remained only me and an engie friend of mine, it was awful, expecially since I didn't have the Phienix Claw.
I don't say I'm a phenomenon, but usually me and bulky ships go hand in hand so I even managed to snatch a kill, but I've seen other ally crews in other matches just panicking or even surrender when their captain left.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 06, 2016, 07:04:09 am
You may be low level, but the problem is quite valid and screws over literally everyone.

@Blackened:
Cheating? How in the fuck? I'm a Pole, I have inherent ability to think in ways of screwing people around in favor of my own selfishness, but I see no bloody way of taking advantage in such situation over that necessary one, when yer captain leaves fucking you over. It also locks something different, a possibility for a crew member to switch from exemplary a second bloody gunner to an engie. How is that cheating? Even more, it is advantegous for the bloody community, as having such "emergency exit" defuses most of in-lobby tensions occuring when low level second gunner appears and doesn't give a fuck bout anyone's fun... I can't even count lobbies my squad abbandoned because herpy derpy second gunner pissed people off.


@Daft Loon: It's actually a... decent... idea. One improvement, if the next in command refuses, another one receives the same offer. On the other hand, it would be immersion-breaking, if you catch my drift.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Atruejedi on February 06, 2016, 09:20:01 am
That aside a field promotion mechanic would be good to have. At its simplest it could just be a popup option "take over as pilot - yes/no" where clicking yes moves you to the captain slot and changes you to your first pilot loadout or a default 'emergency' loadout; maybe Claw-Kerosene-Drogue Chute.

This. A thousand times this, please. I love that loadout. Fool-proof.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: BlackenedPies on February 06, 2016, 12:57:23 pm
On April 18, 2014 a patch was released which made you unable to leave and rejoin as a different class by using the Resume button. This was the date of my first forum post. I frequently used the switching class feature because in those days most matches started with AI and would fill up as people joined mid-game. This caused all sorts of problems like players accidentally joining in as gunners and being unable to switch to engi. If your pilot left you could no longer switch to pilot and take over. There IS a workaround where you have to rejoin from someone in your recent list, but you'll only know that if someone tells you

The reason given is that players could start the game as a buff engi and then switch to gunner before combat, thus giving them buffs and multiple ammos. I had never heard of such a thing but I doubt Muse would make that up themselves and someone has probably tried it and it was brought to Muse's attention. The thing is that you can still rejoin as a different class if you know the workaround so the only people it hurts are new players...

I'm gonna repeat that because it blows my mind. There's a workaround to rejoin as a different class but unaware players don't know it so they're the ones being hurt. I remind Muse this every so often and I recommend everyone try emailing feedback@musegames.com

At one point it was decided to lock in players' loadouts in match and make them unable to switch but god damn if I was gonna let that happen. The argument is that teams could get an unfair advantage by switching to chem spray if they realized they need chem, or bring drogue chute if they realize they need it. That makes sense but I explained to Matthew that if they realized they need chem or drogue then they're already at a disadvantage because presumably they already died at least once. Yes you could get an advantage by switching loadouts, but it can also prevent you from being at an unfair disadvantage when players join/leave. There is some abuse potential but there's more harm done if it was removed. And they listened! That apparently makes more sense than not allowing unaware players to switch class while there's a freaking workaround!

Back to the OP. You actually can rejoin in the captain slot, but you have to wait the 2+ mins for the timer to run out. Sometimes even then it doesn't seem to work and I restart my game to be safe. You used to be able to join captain in any crew slot but that was removed for good reason

There's three solutions I see:
(keep in mind you still have to wait for the diconnect timer of the captain to expire)

Field promotion. Simple and easy to understand, but the next in line player is arbitrary and isn't necessarily the best suited pilot. Needs some coding to display the promotion message

Leaving and switching to pilot puts you in the captain slot. Works but not necessarily intuitive

My favorite would be an option to stop the disconnect timer. This would let you leave and rejoin in any slot in the match. This would be especially useful for spectators, and I've been in that situation many times. Spectators see a captain leave but can't join them because of the timer which doesn't always work. The stop timer button should be near the Resume button
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Hoja Lateralus on February 06, 2016, 11:06:40 pm
You can exit the match, change the class and then join the match via social tab (so through "join crew" option, either via your friend that's in match or through "Recent" tab). Not sure whether it works with captain but it surely works with loadouts within the same class and changing between engineer and gunner.

Also - I can't understand why spectators can't join the match. I mean, yeah cheating, but still I find myself quite annoyed when I'm watching my friends play, see a spot opening and can't do jack.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Daft Loon on February 07, 2016, 03:00:58 pm
To make the field promotion less arbitrary - When the ship has no captain whoever actually takes the helm gets the option of becoming captain/pilot rather than the next name on the list.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on February 08, 2016, 11:02:13 am
If the pilot leaves me with a decent meta build. I don't see the problem.

I just got rid of the pilot and I got AI to replace my engying duties while I take the helm for victory!
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 08, 2016, 11:26:47 am
But if the captain was a scrub and left you with 2 other gunners as crewmates on a non-meta ship?
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on February 08, 2016, 10:45:33 pm
But if the captain was a scrub and left you with 2 other gunners as crewmates on a non-meta ship?

Wouldnt join in the first place. I don't humour retarded crap like that.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: GurasOguras on February 09, 2016, 03:08:59 am
What if someone lost connection, wants to join back but someone took over his helm? Your suggested solution guys would cause too much mess.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 04:30:29 am
What if someone lost connection, wants to join back but someone took over his helm? Your suggested solution guys would cause too much mess.

If you have a loss of connection in the first place, you either had a blackout or was lagging too much, I, using myself as test subject, found that a lagging captain is not a useful captain.
Recovering from a blackout takes time, and, unless everyone is behaving like a sniper, in that time the battle could have already ended.
If you got disconnected for the lag, then is better not to reconnect as you may keep lagging and cause more trouble than not.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Atruejedi on February 09, 2016, 06:02:54 am
What if someone lost connection, wants to join back but someone took over his helm? Your suggested solution guys would cause too much mess.

I agree with you, so as a compromise, perhaps someone can "select" to be captain after the 180 second timeout occurs.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 09, 2016, 08:15:35 am
What if someone lost connection, wants to join back but someone took over his helm? Your suggested solution guys would cause too much mess.

If you have a loss of connection in the first place, you either had a blackout or was lagging too much, I, using myself as test subject, found that a lagging captain is not a useful captain.
Recovering from a blackout takes time, and, unless everyone is behaving like a sniper, in that time the battle could have already ended.
If you got disconnected for the lag, then is better not to reconnect as you may keep lagging and cause more trouble than not.

One of the better captains I've flown under, Waffleghost, was flying with 600ms+ Ping.
Perfect galleon positioning.
Deal with it. :P
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 12:03:09 pm
What if someone lost connection, wants to join back but someone took over his helm? Your suggested solution guys would cause too much mess.

If you have a loss of connection in the first place, you either had a blackout or was lagging too much, I, using myself as test subject, found that a lagging captain is not a useful captain.
Recovering from a blackout takes time, and, unless everyone is behaving like a sniper, in that time the battle could have already ended.
If you got disconnected for the lag, then is better not to reconnect as you may keep lagging and cause more trouble than not.

One of the better captains I've flown under, Waffleghost, was flying with 600ms+ Ping.
Perfect galleon positioning.
Deal with it. :P

I still don't fully understand this witchcraft thingie that is the ping.
I usually end up in America servers, 220+ ping, no problems, 9 times out of 10
I end up even more usually (since I'm in Europe :P) in the European server and with barely 80 ping the worst case of "Dragonballs of Icarus Z" happens.
I mean, it's not that it doesn't happen also on the american servers, but, come on! 80 ping and everyone starts  teleporting around, with people being randomly disconnected?!?
I even flew sometimes with 400+ ping and nothing happened!

(http://)
Also, these are perfect cases where you see shenanigans like
"Disable that Mobula there, don't let it turn!" *lag happens*
"Where the hell is it now...?"
"IT'S BEHIND US CAPTAIN"
"Well, fuck"
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 09, 2016, 12:20:10 pm
To describe it shortly: ping, or RTT as it should be called, is the time your network need to send packets of data, and then to receive a signal that packets were delivered; works in both ways. So if you have 600ms, this means that your game world is updated 5/3 times in a second, which is disadvantageous and causes visible distortions in your viewport, due to desynchronized gameplay and actions you take faster than your connection can process.

Is it clear enough? ^^
I could've mess it up, I wasn't an ace in Data Transmission classes.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Hoja Lateralus on February 09, 2016, 01:28:56 pm
He meant why he can play easily on 220 ping but not really on 80 ping....
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Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 01:47:20 pm
He meant why he can play easily on 220 ping but not really on 80 ping....
....
....

Nah, he gave a very useful explanation, and, deep within me, I already know why....
...
...
...
Shenanigans, they must always happen.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 09, 2016, 02:10:26 pm
A, pardon me.

Something tells me, that those european servers are somewhat fishy sometimes. That's all that is coming to my mind at the moment.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 02:22:26 pm
A, pardon me.

Something tells me, that those european servers are somewhat fishy sometimes. That's all that is coming to my mind at the moment.

Woah, gentleman, get off your high horse, don't call the European servers "those", we all know that Eastern Europe is not far from Idiotic Europe!
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Hoja Lateralus on February 09, 2016, 02:46:04 pm
Woah, gentleman, get off your high horse, don't call the European servers "those", we all know that Eastern Europe is not far from Idiotic Europe!

He didn't mean anything wrong lol.

Also, give that man a piece of Ukraine for dichotomy "Eastern Europe - Idiotic Europe". As Poles we're closer to the Eastern Europe, eh?

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61996204.jpg)
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on February 09, 2016, 03:00:45 pm
well the fighting game community all knows that Italy has garbage internet.

Lagtastic to fight against.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 03:02:41 pm
Woah, gentleman, get off your high horse, don't call the European servers "those", we all know that Eastern Europe is not far from Idiotic Europe!

He didn't mean anything wrong lol.

Also, give that man a piece of Ukraine for dichotomy "Eastern Europe - Idiotic Europe". As Poles we're closer to the Eastern Europe, eh?

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61996204.jpg)

Poles are IN Eastern Europe, well, maybe part of Poland, since some of it is borders just with Germany, that is in the very center of Idiotic Europe
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 03:10:16 pm
well the fighting game community all knows that Italy has garbage internet.

Lagtastic to fight against.

Sapio et excrucior
I know and it is FUCKING EXCRUCIATING
And usually these fucktards don't invest truly in anything, so many Italians play with a low-cost internet connection and with a very bad temper.
Even in Italian vs Italian sometimes the lag reaches crazy peaks.
I usually disguise myself as British when in the same team as Italians, as they are able to start idiotic rants any time, with a more than awful accent.
And if they meet another Italian, well, heaven help us, sometimes hearing two Italians arguing, (as they accuse every time that it's the other's fault), is even worse than Russians arguing against Poles.

But I dare, I double dare you to fight against an Australian

Pro tip: unless you know how to properly Dragonball, you can't
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 09, 2016, 03:26:58 pm
He didn't mean anything wrong lol.

AND THIS IS HIGHLY SURPRISING. :O


Being surrounded by idiots I highly doubt that Poland is not the part of the Idiotic Europe.
On the other side of things we have Russia... Belarus... Ukraine...

I kindly suggest changing the name of the entire continent to 'Idiocracy'.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 03:41:07 pm

we have Russia... Belarus... Ukraine...


Ukraine... Is that even a state anymore?
Belarus...BELARUS WILL ALWAYS BE FREE...as long as it has its potatoes
Russia... Do you mean THE GREAT LAND OF GREAT GREATNESS WHERE THE GREAT LEADER GREAT PUTIN GREATLY PREPARES TO FUCK THE "GREAT" EUROPEAN ECONOMY AND TO LET EU SELF MUTILATE WITH ITS "GREAT" FOREIGN POLICIES?

Notice the great color red, of the great greatness

About foreign policies, I know that Hungary (smart bastards) have made an anti-refugee wall, Germany is a living hell, same for Sweden, Western Europe is drowning in general in *cough cough* cultural enrichment *COUGH COUGH*.
But what about Poland?
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 03:41:50 pm
Sweet mother of god, the great red letters of greatness are hurting my eyes!
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 03:47:45 pm
And there's a high probability that this thread will be either blocked or moved to the pit and will be renamed "Express your frustration against the current political situation"

I highly hope for its eventual moving, it'd be a pity for this to be blocked
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 09, 2016, 03:52:33 pm
And Poland drowns itself in it's own social fucking stupidity. Oh hey, we'll handle you 500 PLN per the OTHER kid, let us only fucking kill the small business and game industry.*


*Kein Panik, corpos like CD Projekt Red and Techland will likely survive, but every fucking smaller Polish studio is going to have hard time, if what these dipshits want is being put in motion.


My life is funny one: I started as a sincere patriot, then I saw people who are calling themselves "patriots" - that they were a turnoff is to say the least.
Then I turned into an anarchist. But one day I sat down, look on it with cold eye, and saw the naivety of this particular notion.
Here I am today. Nihilistic and misanthropic.

Odi Profanum Vulgus.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 04:09:24 pm
  Nihilistic and misanthropic.
Being nihilistic is a bit too radical, but being misanthropic is common among people that are not happy with how the current society works, I'm quite the misanthropist too,  I follow a motto of Rome when meeting people in general.
"Pensa male, non te sbagli mai", meaning "Think badly (of people), you can never go wrong" and if you go, well, it means you found a person that is not bad, I actually loomed in this forum as a guest for quite some time, and by reading the discussions, I deemed many of you nice people, that's why I signed in and started talking to y'all.
I can have occasional moments of philanthropy, but they are limited to few kind of people...
The average Italian is a propaganda-drunk, close-minded, dishonesty-thinking twat (this word doesn't even sound like a swear!).
The youth only thinks about getting drunk Saturday night, about taking drugs, football, sex, football, drugs and football.
Did I already mention how they are obsessed with football?
Really, people these days lack common sense, that's what makes reasonable people become misanthropes.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 04:10:23 pm
Damn, it's depressing being a reasonable person...
Let's go spew some nonsense in the pit!
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 09, 2016, 04:40:20 pm
Gasoline would be better, if there are people in said pit.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 05:03:10 pm
ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 05:04:26 pm
Gasoline would be better, if there are people in said pit.
And I ended up making a relatively serious post in the Lounge instead
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 09, 2016, 05:34:25 pm
Um...
how about we all kindly calm down...
Please...



JUST CALM DOWN GUYS!!!



Please, think of the children,

Every time we shout, a novice gets loch-mined in the face, together we can end this
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Hoja Lateralus on February 09, 2016, 06:23:12 pm
Poland has no problems with immigrants** whatsoever, only people who come to Poland are:
a) vietnameese peeps that work hard and asimilate very well (they speak polish and their children usually have typically polish names like Tomasz or Bożena and they also speak good polish and go to regular schools), they usually start their buisiness with asian food restaurants or selling clothing and some clothing-related things.
b) a bit of darker faces*, usually starting their own buisinesses in kebab booths, some Turks and Georgians I think, and they speak polish well enough to take your order and have casual conversation, they are not known to cause any problems
c) Ukrainians that are escaping from the war and other shitty things in their country and either work in a grey market area or are studying on our universities. They are more-or-less close to us culturally, the language is similar and most of them learn/know polish I think. At least the ones I see at the university.

And our current government's statement is more or less: "We can help financially but we don't want people to come to our country (and if we REALLY HAVE TO accept some immigrants let there be christians)". Of course one can argue how realistic this kind of thinking is, but still, this is their opinion on the matter. Actually some Germans on the forum point Poland as bastion of normality in Europe and Merkel's (a.k.a. "stupid blonde") popularity drops after Cologne incidents.

Also, Schwalbe, people probably don't know how much 500PLN is worth, so to be understood let's better say that it's 110-115 euro while polish minimum wage is 415 euro (300-305 euro after taxes and shit). Actually some non-Poles that I approached in the UK believed that we actually have the euro, God forbid!

**people that come aren't refugees, they stop being refugees after they leave first safe country that accepted them, so in this case Turkey or Italy or Greece.

*inb4 "omg so politically incorrect you are literally Hitler"
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 09, 2016, 06:36:46 pm
By what you say, I can say that the outsiders that come to Poland aren't neither refugees not "REAL" immigrants, by today's standard, but are just honest people that are looking for a job, and THAT is when outsiders turn out useful to a country.
God have mercy on you if you ever decide to assume euros as national currency!
All the fuckers in Europe that still have their own currency are standing in a situation more stable than in the countries where euro is used.

Um...
how about we all kindly calm down...
Please...



JUST CALM DOWN GUYS!!!



Please, think of the children,

Every time we shout, a novice gets loch-mined in the face, together we can end this
AND THEN, WE SHALL SING, YELL AND SHOUT, SO THAT THEY MAY LEARN HOW TO DODGE MINES! WE SHALL TEACH THEM THAT HERE THERE IS NO CHILL!
WE SHALL OVERWHELM THEM AND LEAVE NO NOVICE ALIVE! AS THERE WILL BE NO STANDING NOVICE, BUT PLAYERS THAT HAD LEARNED THE BASICS OF GOIO: MINE OR BE MINED!
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 09, 2016, 08:42:43 pm
hey crow, do you feel that?

that's your sins crawling on your back...

no...?

well then here's a better question,

do you want to have a bad time?

cuz, if you shout one more time...

i'll be forced to retaliate...

i will bring a munker...

i will bring lochnagar...

i will mine you senseless...

and i will laugh...

its a beautiful day outside...

hwacha's are firing...

noob's are piloting...

on days like this...

captains like you...

should be loch flaked in the face...


Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 10, 2016, 12:12:52 am
YAAARR HAAARR


Quote
Please think of the children

(http://i.imgur.com/JayUmF8.jpg?1)
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 10, 2016, 03:02:05 am
hey crow, do you feel that?

that's your sins crawling on your back...

no...?

well then here's a better question,

do you want to have a bad time?

cuz, if you shout one more time...

i'll be forced to retaliate...

i will bring a munker...

i will bring lochnagar...

i will mine you senseless...

and i will laugh...

its a beautiful day outside...

hwacha's are firing...

noob's are piloting...

on days like this...

captains like you...

should be loch flaked in the face...




I'm sorry human, Luharis, it was nice to meet you

*Unsheathes great saber*
 
*slashes and destroys the EXIT GAME button*

*Bergentrückung starts playing*
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 10, 2016, 03:32:09 am
The First Human, Luharis, appeared

The music turns to pure despair


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRdBmveWfrU

You're not in control...

You never were...

Now would you so kindly die?

(slash)


Infinite damage dealt to Crow of Cainhurst

Crow's determination is broken!

Crow calls for help, but nobody came...
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 10, 2016, 04:22:36 am

You're not in control...

You never were...


You can reset this all, be a good child and put everything back together

*Crow opens save folder and points his mouse on the "delete" button*

Don't make me do this,

GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM, MY CHILD
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 10, 2016, 06:09:17 am
Ha, you think you've won, don't ya?

Lets not forget what your about to do...

You'll erase the save file...

You'll kill everything in one click...

You'll be worse than I ever will...

Nice job...

Partner...



He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not

become a monster
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 10, 2016, 07:00:22 am
Oh, why Chara Luharis,
I, am you,
I, am what you really crave
I, am what has always guided your feelings
I, am that part of you that covets power,
I, am what you would love to be

I AM WHAT MAKES YOU WANT TO KILL EVERYTHING, WHAT MAKES YOU REMEMBER WHY AND HOW YOU BETRAYED THE ONES WHO LOVED YOU

Why, Chara do you call me a monster, you are a monster yourself,
ARE YOU NOT?

You enjoy slaughtering the ones you love, over and over and OVER
You love the feeling that comes from being able to reset entire timelines
But
You crave even a bigger power, do you not?

The power not to solely alter timelines,
BUT TO CREATE AND CANCEL THEM AT WILL

Sweet little child, fueled by the power of  LOVE,
YOU will never be able to make ME feel guilty for having such powers,
as YOU are not, and I
am you

Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 10, 2016, 07:01:06 am
10/10 this is a Pit-worthy thread
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 10, 2016, 07:30:39 am
...

did you just go from opposing me, to being me?

DETERMINATION

also, what was this thread supposed to be about?
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 10, 2016, 07:32:59 am
...

did you just go from opposing me, to being me?

DETERMINATION

also, what was this thread supposed to be about?

Or were YOU always being ME?

However, the thread should have been talking about the problem that are captains that leave mid match and leave their poor crews without a guide
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 10, 2016, 07:34:18 am
oh

How about we both accept that we love Undertale, and leave it at that,

Offers Mercy
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 10, 2016, 07:37:31 am
Accepts mercy
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 10, 2016, 08:25:11 am
... you're sparing me?

finally. buddy. pal. i know how hard it must be...

to make that choice. to go back on everything you've worked up to.

i want you to know...

i won't let it go to waste. ...

c'mere, pal...



geeettttttt dunked on!!!

if we're really friends...

you won't come back.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tao67Idz3Uc
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 10, 2016, 08:33:49 am
10/10 faked insanity/genocide crazy in order to defeat the true evil

On a more serious note, what if we set a pilot succession order in the lobby, before the match begins, therefore, if a pilot disconnects, it would be easier on the crew to re-establish order.  The order of succession could allow an automatic switch to the pilot class.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 10, 2016, 10:13:54 am
Oh, my child, why are you hitting yourself,

really, you should stop hitting yourself,

you have already tried to accept offers of mercy in other timelines

an annoyance, nothing more

you truly like to joke with yourself

but this timeline is already lost

who do you think gave you these powers in the first place
you really are


AN IDIOT

You will always come back

no one, man or monster, can ever be truly a friend of themselves
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 10, 2016, 10:27:33 am
BUT IT REFUSED
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: DJ Logicalia on February 10, 2016, 07:43:31 pm
This thread hurts my eyea
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: BlackenedPies on February 10, 2016, 08:06:22 pm
Unless there's any real comments for this Feedback and Suggestions post, then it's time for the pit
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 10, 2016, 08:11:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HOfYxBmms8

Maybe  I can't reach my save file...

But maybe, with what little energy I have...

[destroys act button]

I can save something, or rather someone else...

[presses save button]

You're in there somewhere, I know it...

Even if I do a thousand times, I will save you...

I will remain determined...

I am filled with hopes and dreams...

I will save you...
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 02:08:43 am
Unless there's any real comments for this Feedback and Suggestions post, then it's time for the pit
I, in fact, already sent a pm to the moderator, as I, myself, find this thread pit-worthy
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 02:09:31 am
This thread hurts my eyea
Still, as long as it doesn't hurt your ears you should be fine, o grand bard
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Hoja Lateralus on February 11, 2016, 08:55:44 am
mfw looking at what happened here

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5qa49Phrh1rul0hko1_500.gif)
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:00:00 am
mfw looking at what happened here

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5qa49Phrh1rul0hko1_500.gif)

You don't have any right to call me an idiot as long as you haven't seen how I fly Squids
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:01:59 am
Who ya calling an idiot!

[Yelled while loading lochnagar into the gatling]
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:02:24 am
And, as previously stated by myself, this thread is bound to be moved to the pit, since its level of nonsensicality has reached a sky high rating
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:02:54 am
But the pit is dark and scary.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:03:33 am
Who ya calling an idiot!

[Yelled while loading lochnagar into the gatling]

Surely not ya mate!

*puts Lochnagar in flamer*
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:04:46 am
But the pit is dark and scary.

Only at first sight, then, after you fall for some days straight, you see the light, the most pure and clear light:
the light of blissful madness
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:05:37 am
Oh ok, carry on...

[Moonshine rams harpoon squid into a buffed galleon hull]
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:07:28 am
Sure'll do!

*engages enemy spire with galleon aft gun*
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:07:58 am
Only at first sight, then, after you fall for some days straight, you see the light, the most pure and clear light:
the light of blissful madness

I immediately thought of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHzM19mJNDw
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:09:33 am
So why are we idiots?

[Mans galleon's fore gun]
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:16:13 am
Only at first sight, then, after you fall for some days straight, you see the light, the most pure and clear light:
the light of blissful madness

I immediately thought of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHzM19mJNDw

https://youtu.be/tJOlKyPfjjY
Hear this piece of art instead
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:17:36 am
So why are we idiots?

[Mans galleon's fore gun]

Dunno!

*pilots pyra with moonshine while shooting mines in front of self*
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:19:25 am
https://youtu.be/tJOlKyPfjjY
Hear this piece of art instead

Already heard it :P

try this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlNVJ9r_dLs
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:21:23 am
Dunno!

*pilots pyra with moonshine while shooting mines in front of self*

Maybe we're just so amazingly good they just can't comprehend it!

[Brings Heavy Flak spire, with 3 additional light flaks]
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:27:59 am
https://youtu.be/tJOlKyPfjjY
Hear this piece of art instead

Already heard it :P

try this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlNVJ9r_dLs

What's this?!?!?
Where are my choirs, my organs, my drums, MY ORCHESTRAS?!?
What is this bit thingie???
UH!
 I must go wash my ears by putting something like from the Two steps from Hell! Or Man o'War! Or even Sabaton!
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:30:14 am
Dunno!

*pilots pyra with moonshine while shooting mines in front of self*

Maybe we're just so amazingly good they just can't comprehend it!

[Brings Heavy Flak spire, with 3 additional light flaks]

We have ascended to a superior level!

*brings full flare gun mobula*
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:31:56 am
Despite the fact you disliked that song, i remain determined!!!

indeed we have ascended!

[Counters with all harpoon Mobula]
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:36:01 am
[Counters with all harpoon Mobula]
Fear my new meta!

*calls an all flare junker as reinforcements and an all Scylla mortar squid*
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:38:22 am
[calls in kill-streak reward]

TACTICAL NUKE!!!
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 09:40:24 am
[calls in kill-streak reward]

TACTICAL NUKE!!!
HAH!
I care not for death, since I played Dark Souls!
But do you?
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 09:44:41 am
Neither do I, for I am determined,

Lets end this fight here and now, the only way i know how!

[Offers Mercy]
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 10:07:29 am
*flies into the skies and gets disconnected from fight because of unoptimized servers that make everything lag*

(I'm looking at you Dark Souls 2)
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 10:10:31 am
I'll still save you!

[Offers Mercy]
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 10:12:14 am
I'll still save you!

[Offers Mercy]

*the feature you are trying to use is only available for online plays*
*There is no player in your match*
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Lu Lu on February 11, 2016, 10:15:20 am
[Offers Mercy]
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Coiler on February 11, 2016, 10:39:46 am
And usually these fucktards don't invest truly in anything, so many Italians play with a low-cost internet connection

Unless you're italian yourself, you probably do not know about the digital divide here. While we may or may not have differently expensive internet providers, the grand total of the national internet coverage is done by Telecom, which is the national company.
The landlines and stations are almost all theirs. You may switch to a more 'professional' or 'expensive' company, but that just mean they'll borrow Telecom's landlines to then sell their service to you. That, of course, changes nothing.
This causes inflated prices and null renovation in the internet providers' market. Even Moldova is probably better faring than us in this field.

So, while the rest of your post sadly rings true, I'd advise you not to talk about stuff you may not know that well.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 11, 2016, 11:00:42 am
Crow is Italian...

[awkward silence ensues]
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Coiler on February 11, 2016, 11:02:13 am
Guess that explains his insight into the average italian mind.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on February 11, 2016, 11:35:54 am
I'm just waiting for you guys to run out of examples.

But I struggle to think you will anytime soon. I do predict eventual overlap though.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 01:54:11 pm
Coiler, sadly, I know all too well the
DAMN ANNOYING situation of the Italian internet connection, at Telecom they are all just thieves, filthy, lying, putrid thieves.

During this Christmas I went to visit some relatives in Croatia, I managed to play LAGLESS matches at GOIO, using some FUCKING FREE CONNECTION and the download speed was... TWICE the one that I have in Italy!
Damn annoying thieves
Technologically, nationally standing, Italy is soooooooo far behind than other countries, people here still use the FAX!
I mean, what the hell! I've never ever seen one of those devices abroad!
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 01:54:44 pm
Aaaaaaaaand, I started another page with a rant of mine... Typical
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Coiler on February 11, 2016, 04:08:31 pm
Lel. I happened to work for Fastweb for a few months and they tell employees to flat out lie as well. Just retarded.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 04:25:22 pm
Well, finally it got moved
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 11, 2016, 04:26:56 pm
And here, in the utter darkness of the pit, a question comes to me...

WHAT IS REALLY SHINKUREX
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Carn on February 12, 2016, 09:50:59 am
And here, in the utter darkness of the pit, a question comes to me...

WHAT IS REALLY SHINKUREX
Former player, nice guy, horrible engineer, recipient of all the world's blame.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: C r o w on February 12, 2016, 04:37:18 pm
Quote
Former
So he left forever the game, with only the joke "Blame it all on Shink" to be known by future generations of novice ?
That terribly sad
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Piemanlives on February 19, 2016, 07:22:01 am
To be fair not many players who've left have even that. Not many players have any legacy that hasn't been obscured by time as it already is, a number of good friends of mine who were in fact fairly major members of the community are no longer around don't even have a running joke that remains as apparent as Shink's does.

And it was less Shink was a bad engineer but a result of his Captain, aka Yiski, being absolutely insane and being unable to keep up.

That said if I was to ever leave I'd like to do it as quietly as possible with little fanfare.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Schwalbe on February 28, 2016, 05:49:29 am
Like this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAlJYyyK_1s)
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: The Mann on March 01, 2016, 03:16:30 am
When the day comes that I decide to depart to the lands of the fallen;

If I had a legacy in this game, it would probably be a mixture of hate or kindness...

Hungry for Marmite? Think of The Mann.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: HamsterIV on March 02, 2016, 06:28:06 pm
And it was less Shink was a bad engineer but a result of his Captain, aka Yiski, being absolutely insane and being unable to keep up.

Speaking of legacies I would put it down to Yiski flying as Zill's wingman and Zill being too good at getting out of tricky situations. Looking at some of the Merry Men tournament replay videos you sometimes see Zill getting into a bad situation then bailing just in time to watch his ally blunder into a 2v1.
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: BdrLineAzn on March 02, 2016, 09:32:03 pm
And it was less Shink was a bad engineer but a result of his Captain, aka Yiski, being absolutely insane and being unable to keep up.

Speaking of legacies I would put it down to Yiski flying as Zill's wingman and Zill being too good at getting out of tricky situations. Looking at some of the Merry Men tournament replay videos you sometimes see Zill getting into a bad situation then bailing just in time to watch his ally blunder into a 2v1.

I remember those days... Ahh good times.


And it was less Shink was a bad engineer but a result of his Captain, aka Yiski, being absolutely insane and being unable to keep up.

That said if I was to ever leave I'd like to do it as quietly as possible with little fanfare.


to be fair, crewing on any MM ship is chaotic
Title: Re: What' worse than a crewman that leaves? A Captain that leaves
Post by: Letus on March 06, 2016, 05:03:24 pm
And it was less Shink was a bad engineer but a result of his Captain, aka Yiski, being absolutely insane and being unable to keep up.

Speaking of legacies I would put it down to Yiski flying as Zill's wingman and Zill being too good at getting out of tricky situations. Looking at some of the Merry Men tournament replay videos you sometimes see Zill getting into a bad situation then bailing just in time to watch his ally blunder into a 2v1.

You got to remember, it was Shink's fault.