Guns Of Icarus Online

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Title: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Mister awesomeness on July 02, 2015, 05:08:23 am
You all know the story of the Icarus, Gabriele's journey, and the death of them both. Many people have said this but the Icarus could be implemented into the game with some tweaks, If it was added This is my idea of how it would work. The ship itself would have A high turning speed due to the four light engines, but a below average forward speed. Also somewhat poor altitude control.  It would have somewhat high armor and HP, not as high as the Galleons but still strong. weapon wise, it would have four light weapon slights, two on each side like the original ship with the forward two slots have a more forward angle. The large platform behind the helm above the cargo bay would be heavy weapon slot with ether 360 degrease of fire or 180 degrease facing backwards to keep it from being OP. Icarus originally had another slot on the bow witch could be used as a second heavy weapon slot with 180 degrease facing forward. to keep the ship from being OP the front gun could be switched to a light gun or removed all together. As for hard points, in Flight of the Icarus the ship had an air pump near the front on top deck acting as the balloon hard point, this hard point could stay, Also in flight of the Icarus, another hard point labeled rigging was located in the center of the ship on the top deck near the balloon pump, this could be easily switched for the Armour hard point but may need to be moved so the balloon and armor aren't to close together. For engines, in the game the ship had two walk ways below the cargo hold leading to two of the light engines, so these would not need to be changed. The main engine cannot be reached however a drive shaft connected to the engine or something similar could be placed in the now useless cargo hold acting as a hard point for this engine. the other to side engines can also not be reached, they could also have some sort of drive shafts that lead to the lower deck, these engines could also be moved higher on the ship to allow access from the lower deck, They could also do what they did in flight of the Icarus where if the two small engines that can be reached take damage, the other two would also take damage, aka the engines would be linked and in both repair and damage. a few more things to rap up on, the ship would have a somewhat high ramming damage, nowhere near the strongest but above average. The main perks of the ship would be the fact that it would have at lest one gun covering every direction, meaning that no matter what why an enemy ship attack they would be getting hit, the downside being it would be hard to concentrate fire. Also the ship would have a very very large balloon like in the original game making it very easy to hit. Lastly, due to the layout and shape of the ship deck (depending if it stays original) it would very easy for the crew to switch positions quickly.

recap
above average armor/ HP
above average turning speed
below average forward speed
poor altitude control
6-5 weapon hard points
5 engines, 4 light 1 heavy
easy access hard points
360 view of fire
difficult to concentrate fire

Thank you for reading through all that text. I have no way to begin digitally redesigning the ship myself this was mainly just to show people how the Icarus could be used in the modern game, and feel free to tell your ideas of how the ship should look, I was simply trying to keep the ship as closely related as possible to its look in the first game                           
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Saull on July 02, 2015, 10:07:47 am
If we are to see the Icarus return to the skies I'd suspect it'd be in the upcoming Co-op mode as a faction less boss ship before anything else. Muse I think did say they played with the idea of having a game mode involving a ship with a larger then 4 man crew. Maybe that'd be a mode to have such a large ship like the Icarus in.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Alistair MacBain on July 02, 2015, 10:59:46 am
In the development there was the idea of different crew sizes for each ship but that didnt stay. They found 4 players to be a reasonable number to do most but not all stuff thats occuring on a ship.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Mister awesomeness on July 02, 2015, 02:07:26 pm
If we are to see the Icarus return to the skies I'd suspect it'd be in the upcoming Co-op mode as a faction less boss ship before anything else. Muse I think did say they played with the idea of having a game mode involving a ship with a larger then 4 man crew. Maybe that'd be a mode to have such a large ship like the Icarus in.

I get what your saying but I never mentioned having more than 4 four men in the crew of this ship. It may seem hard for only four men to run this thing with that many hard points but if you have Flight of the Icarus, that's how it worked although its was four men manning guns and repairing as there was no pilot needed. But your right it would be difficult to put this thing into a PVP game due to how big it is and its  layout but hopefully it will somehow show up in the adventure mode when that gets released   
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Richard LeMoon on July 02, 2015, 06:18:43 pm
The Icarus is actually much larger than a Galleon, and has larger than heavy engines.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: ShadedExalt on July 02, 2015, 09:34:53 pm
We know that the Icarus is incredibly, impossibly advanced.

I would adore seeing it in game, but I'd bet it's an unaffiliated boss in Coop, or maybe a boss roaming the most dangerous, furthest flung reaches of the world in Adventure.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on July 03, 2015, 09:45:10 am
I would love a boss ship in coop which is obviously a stolen icarus
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Mister awesomeness on July 03, 2015, 02:44:33 pm
I would honestly like to see the Icarus, if it was put into co op mode as escort mission. Seeing as how it was a cargo ship to begin with, regardless I just hope it makes a return in PVP or co op somehow.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: David Dire on July 04, 2015, 11:48:58 am
no pls

so much no.

Just, no.

The Icarus was destroyed, and is... just.. no.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: ShadedExalt on July 04, 2015, 01:05:46 pm
destroyed

INCORRECT

It is assumed the Icarus was destroyed, but nobody knows what really happened to the thing.  Maybe the Pirates boarded it and killed Gabriel, maybe Gabriel somehow, through an impossible miracle, won, and is still exploring.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Kamoba on July 04, 2015, 01:26:12 pm
destroyed

INCORRECT

It is assumed the Icarus was destroyed, but nobody knows what really happened to the thing.  Maybe the Pirates boarded it and killed Gabriel, maybe Gabriel somehow, through an impossible miracle, won, and is still exploring.


No actual time-line was given from the Birth of air (Gabriel) to current day happenings... Given the change in tech and design since the Icarus, I think we can safely say if ol' Gabe is still in the skies, he's pretty damn old now...

But I do love the fact it is assumed he's dead and the ship destroyed, this does leave it open to possibilities...

"We found the Icarus! Its legit! Though Gabe is gone its a bunch of raiders at the helm! You have to get that ship! Take her out as gently as possible!!!"
*Arms carronades.*
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Saull on July 04, 2015, 01:45:10 pm
I'd certainly hope though that the Icarus gets a bit of a make over while still maintaining its overall original look. Extra armor on the balloon and hull as well as a more streamlined body would keep it from looking too dated.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Mister awesomeness on July 04, 2015, 03:55:28 pm
For those of you who don't know you can actually play as Gabriel and the Icarus in the game, Flight of the Icarus. In the end of the game you play a survival mode called into the breach witch is Gabriel's final battle. Regardless the Icarus falls burning to earth, not kidding you actually see the Icarus falling burning from the sky. So I highly doubt the Icarus survived. Gabriel though may have survived, although the GOIO takes place 87 after the destruction of the Icarus, So Gabriel probably would have died of old age before GOIO. Ether way, The history tells us that after his supposed death, People went into the same city that Gabriel constructed the Icarus in. Its said that they found the original plans for Icarus. So my point is if the Icarus did return, it would be a reproduction of the ship not the original, however this would make much more sense, as since the Icarus was the largest/ most advanced airship to be used since the great war, It would be believable that by this point in time, people have the resources to recreate an Icarus class airship. If the ship did return I think for the sake of not creating loop holes in the story they would be new models of the ship. This would also allow the world to have more than one of Icarus class ether as roaming boss ships, or cargo ships we need escort. Ether way the Icarus has huge potential to come back in the adventure mode (or even better PVP)

sorry my comments are so long, i have a lot of things to say             
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: ShadedExalt on July 05, 2015, 08:19:26 am
I still say the bandits would have to be really stupid not to salvage something they only took down through sheer overwhelming numbers.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: David Dire on July 09, 2015, 07:30:47 pm
I still say the bandits would have to be really stupid not to salvage something they only took down through sheer overwhelming numbers.
To be fair, they probably just stripped whatever small bits remained clean.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on July 09, 2015, 08:25:06 pm
destroyed

INCORRECT

It is assumed the Icarus was destroyed, but nobody knows what really happened to the thing.  Maybe the Pirates boarded it and killed Gabriel, maybe Gabriel somehow, through an impossible miracle, won, and is still exploring.


No actual time-line was given from the Birth of air (Gabriel) to current day happenings... Given the change in tech and design since the Icarus, I think we can safely say if ol' Gabe is still in the skies, he's pretty damn old now...

But I do love the fact it is assumed he's dead and the ship destroyed, this does leave it open to possibilities...

"We found the Icarus! Its legit! Though Gabe is gone its a bunch of raiders at the helm! You have to get that ship! Take her out as gently as possible!!!"
*Arms carronades.*

*looks at footage of every ship hit by a carro fish...

not even a hull left.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: David Dire on July 10, 2015, 08:18:19 am
destroyed

INCORRECT

It is assumed the Icarus was destroyed, but nobody knows what really happened to the thing.  Maybe the Pirates boarded it and killed Gabriel, maybe Gabriel somehow, through an impossible miracle, won, and is still exploring.


No actual time-line was given from the Birth of air (Gabriel) to current day happenings... Given the change in tech and design since the Icarus, I think we can safely say if ol' Gabe is still in the skies, he's pretty damn old now...

But I do love the fact it is assumed he's dead and the ship destroyed, this does leave it open to possibilities...

"We found the Icarus! Its legit! Though Gabe is gone its a bunch of raiders at the helm! You have to get that ship! Take her out as gently as possible!!!"
*Arms carronades.*
Again, he fought a giant mass of disorganized pirates. They'd rather strip it for valuable parts than put lots of will, effort, and manpower to have a fancy big ship.

Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: ShadedExalt on July 10, 2015, 06:57:19 pm
destroyed

INCORRECT

It is assumed the Icarus was destroyed, but nobody knows what really happened to the thing.  Maybe the Pirates boarded it and killed Gabriel, maybe Gabriel somehow, through an impossible miracle, won, and is still exploring.


No actual time-line was given from the Birth of air (Gabriel) to current day happenings... Given the change in tech and design since the Icarus, I think we can safely say if ol' Gabe is still in the skies, he's pretty damn old now...

But I do love the fact it is assumed he's dead and the ship destroyed, this does leave it open to possibilities...

"We found the Icarus! Its legit! Though Gabe is gone its a bunch of raiders at the helm! You have to get that ship! Take her out as gently as possible!!!"
*Arms carronades.*
Again, he fought a giant mass of disorganized pirates. They'd rather strip it for valuable parts than put lots of will, effort, and manpower to have a fancy big ship.

Wouldn't YOU want a ship that could raze towns to the ground?
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: David Dire on July 12, 2015, 03:37:56 pm
destroyed

INCORRECT

It is assumed the Icarus was destroyed, but nobody knows what really happened to the thing.  Maybe the Pirates boarded it and killed Gabriel, maybe Gabriel somehow, through an impossible miracle, won, and is still exploring.


No actual time-line was given from the Birth of air (Gabriel) to current day happenings... Given the change in tech and design since the Icarus, I think we can safely say if ol' Gabe is still in the skies, he's pretty damn old now...

But I do love the fact it is assumed he's dead and the ship destroyed, this does leave it open to possibilities...

"We found the Icarus! Its legit! Though Gabe is gone its a bunch of raiders at the helm! You have to get that ship! Take her out as gently as possible!!!"
*Arms carronades.*
Again, he fought a giant mass of disorganized pirates. They'd rather strip it for valuable parts than put lots of will, effort, and manpower to have a fancy big ship.

Wouldn't YOU want a ship that could raze towns to the ground?
They were clans and groups of pirates with headcounts of hundreds, even thousands. They wouldnt need a big fancy ship when they can have 300 small but effective ones bomb a town to rubble.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: ShadedExalt on July 12, 2015, 04:12:35 pm
destroyed

INCORRECT

It is assumed the Icarus was destroyed, but nobody knows what really happened to the thing.  Maybe the Pirates boarded it and killed Gabriel, maybe Gabriel somehow, through an impossible miracle, won, and is still exploring.


No actual time-line was given from the Birth of air (Gabriel) to current day happenings... Given the change in tech and design since the Icarus, I think we can safely say if ol' Gabe is still in the skies, he's pretty damn old now...

But I do love the fact it is assumed he's dead and the ship destroyed, this does leave it open to possibilities...

"We found the Icarus! Its legit! Though Gabe is gone its a bunch of raiders at the helm! You have to get that ship! Take her out as gently as possible!!!"
*Arms carronades.*
Again, he fought a giant mass of disorganized pirates. They'd rather strip it for valuable parts than put lots of will, effort, and manpower to have a fancy big ship.

Wouldn't YOU want a ship that could raze towns to the ground?
They were clans and groups of pirates with headcounts of hundreds, even thousands. They wouldnt need a big fancy ship when they can have 300 small but effective ones bomb a town to rubble.

Yes, but there weren't many people aboard the Icarus and it was far and away superior.  More bang for your buck, as it were.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: David Dire on July 12, 2015, 04:15:26 pm
destroyed

INCORRECT

It is assumed the Icarus was destroyed, but nobody knows what really happened to the thing.  Maybe the Pirates boarded it and killed Gabriel, maybe Gabriel somehow, through an impossible miracle, won, and is still exploring.


No actual time-line was given from the Birth of air (Gabriel) to current day happenings... Given the change in tech and design since the Icarus, I think we can safely say if ol' Gabe is still in the skies, he's pretty damn old now...

But I do love the fact it is assumed he's dead and the ship destroyed, this does leave it open to possibilities...

"We found the Icarus! Its legit! Though Gabe is gone its a bunch of raiders at the helm! You have to get that ship! Take her out as gently as possible!!!"
*Arms carronades.*
Again, he fought a giant mass of disorganized pirates. They'd rather strip it for valuable parts than put lots of will, effort, and manpower to have a fancy big ship.

Wouldn't YOU want a ship that could raze towns to the ground?
They were clans and groups of pirates with headcounts of hundreds, even thousands. They wouldnt need a big fancy ship when they can have 300 small but effective ones bomb a town to rubble.

Yes, but there weren't many people aboard the Icarus and it was far and away superior.  More bang for your buck, as it were.
Again, after all the damage the pirates caused the Icarus, it would be a very hard task to rebuild it. It would take effort normal pirates wouldn't be willing to sacrifice.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: DrTentacles on July 12, 2015, 08:27:12 pm
A single, massive ship is far worse for piracy than multiple smaller ships. Much easier to hunt down, harder to do hit-and fade tactics with. Instantly recognizable. Takes crazy logistics to maintain. It's impractical on a number of levels.
Title: Re: Flyable Icarus
Post by: Saull on July 12, 2015, 10:25:11 pm
*dusts off tin foil hat*
 Gabriel and the Icarus went down, sure, but Gabriel survived and either killed any pirates who got too curious about the Icarus for their own good or scoured the desert to search through the remains of the pirate ships that he personally littered the ground. Once he had gathered enough working parts he rebuilds what he can of the Icarus with mere scrap and a wrench as he was said to often have done and spends the rest of his life co-opting every brigand and mercenary he can into his guild of treasure hunters to further search through the Burrens for pre war technologies. Technologies that have been carefully distributed between the 6 rising factions in the decades after his initial flight so that his shadow guild could control the progress of the new age of airships and play the various sides of the conflict of course compromising certain moralities he may have once had and calling his legacy into question.  The Icarus has since been improved upon and possess boss ship abilities that make it impossible to destroy. You can only merely survive it. (Like the Stalker from warframe.) But who mans the helm of the fabled and feared Icarus? an aged Gabriel with a great big bushy beard or perhaps a son (ohhhh or a daughter; what a twist)

tl:dr Gabey lives and went crazy building a rouge nation of advanced badass ships and is a secret boss/side quest story line dealy

I will push this theory super hard.