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Title: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 19, 2015, 07:52:44 am
Based on a search for Leviathan on this forum, I thought I would ask through curiosity.

What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?

obviously, there is a massive crash site on the Dunes but, there is also a massive cannon on the Firnfield. Is there a connection?

What would such a beast look like airborne?
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Dementio on May 19, 2015, 09:09:45 am
What would such a beast look like airborne?

It would look like it could destroy the world.

I always found that the thing on Dunes and Dawn are just engines from it.
And you call it Leviathan, but in Lusse's Travels for Desert Scrap it is called "Juggernaut".
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: ShadedExalt on May 19, 2015, 10:16:46 am
And you call it Leviathan, but in Lusse's Travels for Desert Scrap it is called "Juggernaut".

That name is innacurate, though.

What would such a beast look like airborne?
It would look like it could destroy the world.

Pretty much.

I always found that the thing on Dunes and Dawn are just engines from it.

Well, the rear pods anyway.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on May 19, 2015, 11:20:32 am
it will look like a really big ship with shit loads of dakka.

Unless it has guns on its massive balloons I imagine those things lost by having ships fly high and out of arc and popping that thing.

Unless of course it uses an internal balloon. Where it builds a giant balloon and build the decks around that massive balloon.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Richard LeMoon on May 19, 2015, 12:04:17 pm
By the look of the structures around, I would guess it has internal and external balloons, and at least four massive engines.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on May 19, 2015, 04:44:59 pm
Zepps had turret mounts all around. They had to, otherwise they'd have lots of blind spots. Judging from the size of the engines, it would likely be somewhere between a helicarrier and a star destroyer in size.

Either way, its a heck of a lot of materials and production time to build it. I forget if it had an origin story but just judging based on the region the remains are found in and the amount of materials needed to fashion it, I'd say its of Yesha origin. That is where all the mining seems to be. Depending on the age of it, it could predate Yesha. There is another possible creator of it who would have been in the area and had the finances + manpower to make it. If it's Nalm or Slyka that made them, then it would raise too many questions as to where they got all the metal for it. Something this big would be a national building project, not a local city.

So, either a Yeshan conquest project that ultimately failed when they reached the Dunes and Nalm/Slyka just tore it apart. Or its from an Empire before Yesha's rise which could have ultimately led to Yesha's founding either by it's defeat or by the fact it merely existed and was a testament to the corruption of the original government. There is talks of a "Yeshan Way" and I can imagine it would have started amongst the low class. Thus seeing a massive airship being built when the funds and effort could be better used for bettering the nation and people, could have potentially led to a coup.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Carn on May 19, 2015, 04:56:09 pm
Could be pre-war for all we know
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: QUY on May 19, 2015, 05:08:38 pm
Thats what i always thought, like one of those massive planes in the prologue trailer   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwvCZ5AzsLI
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Jub Jub on May 19, 2015, 07:18:28 pm
The Leviathan (until an actual name is decided/announced, I'm going to go ahead and take the small assumption that "Leviathan" in actually the ship's name, because all ships need a name) would of been constructed by one of the Imperial powers during The Great War. From context clues and in-game hints, (and Muse just saying it) we know that the Guns of Icarus universe exists in an alternate history of Earth, post WWI, where there was no Interwar Period. The Great War would of truly been the last great war, as the Earth declines technologically and ecologically do to various reasons (I'm going to go out on a limb and say pollution would of been one of them). This would put The Leviathan right on the tail end of the WWI Naval Arms Race between the emerging European Imperial/Industrial powers at the time; Great Britain, France, Germany, and Russia. Historically this arms race reached its peak with the creation and mass-production of the Dreadnought-class war ships. But, there is no reason to think that had WWI not come to an end, an advancement in military thinking would of never taken place. "Bigger is Better" would of still been the main military mind set. Bigger guns, tanks, ships, zeppelins all would of been top priority for military designers at the time. And the GoI landscape confirms that. Aside from The Leviathan, several large battleships and dreadnoughts litter the ground on most of the maps. Several of these maps, Northern Fjords, Anglean Raiders, and Fight over Firnfield all have massive artillery pieces on them, or in the sky-scape just on the horizon. The important thing to note about all of these, and The Leviathan is that they all appear to have rusted at about the same rate of time, long enough where no base metal is exposed, but not long enough where they would collapse in on themselves.

As for what The Leviathan would have actually looked like, my best guess is that it would of been some form of larger, alternated superstructure of a Dreadnought. In constant war coming up with new designs is a hard thing to do, and many times small (or in this case large) changes in size or other variables are all that is made to try and improve upon something (for a good example of this in action, just look at the USAF F-82 fighter from WWII). Hopefully sometime in the near future with the release of Co-op Mode, Muse will publish a more fleshed out lore/history for their game and this "Leviathan Mystery" can be put to rest.   
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Richard LeMoon on May 19, 2015, 07:59:31 pm
On closer inspection, and taking more context clues, the Juggerviathanauts were not combat vessels. They were cargo vessels. Why so big? The obvious reason is all about them in any map they are wrecked on. They hauled entire naval flotillas. When they were shot down, they spilled their contents into the deserts they were crossing before crashing themselves. Perhaps they dropped the ships first in a last-ditch effort to to stay aloft.

So, they were actually the opposite of aircraft carriers. Instead of being ships that carried aircraft, they were aircraft that carried ships.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Koali on May 19, 2015, 11:07:34 pm
Oh. My. Goodness. Gracious. Great. Balls. Of. Fire.

It makes so much sense!
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 20, 2015, 04:16:15 am
On closer inspection, and taking more context clues, the Juggerviathanauts were not combat vessels. They were cargo vessels. Why so big? The obvious reason is all about them in any map they are wrecked on. They hauled entire naval flotillas. When they were shot down, they spilled their contents into the deserts they were crossing before crashing themselves. Perhaps they dropped the ships first in a last-ditch effort to to stay aloft.

So, they were actually the opposite of aircraft carriers. Instead of being ships that carried aircraft, they were aircraft that carried ships.

This is a  very good assumption, never thought about it as a Cargo Vessel.

I supposed it makes since since you cannot see any visible weapons on the ships.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: BdrLineAzn on May 20, 2015, 05:41:15 am
Name wise I believe we had some conversations that the Scrap/Dunes ship is called the Juggernaut and the one on Dawn is called Leviathan. Also wouldn't it be either Nalm or Slkyan made as from the small pre game text before we enter the match in Scrap.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Daft Loon on May 20, 2015, 06:02:33 am
I think the Lusse's travells entry for desert scrap puts it as being used by Sylka(A medium-large city state i think), my guess is that they got lucky and recovered an almost intact great war ship and repaired it - but not well enough to get it across the dunes to Nalm. The one on duel at dawn is presumably a similar ship crashed during the great war.

As an aside the one on scrap at least has a floor with what looks like expensive carpet - added by the Sylkans to decorate the pride of their fleet?

Also from the size it would have to have a height ceiling several times that of the airships in game to have any hope of navigating anywhere much, maybe failure to reattain this caused the crash into the dunes?
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: ShadedExalt on May 20, 2015, 08:08:02 am
As an aside the one on scrap at least has a floor with what looks like expensive carpet - added by the Sylkans to decorate the pride of their fleet?

Going off the earlier "Yesha's Origin" theory, maybe they were simply personal aircraft for super-duper-ultra-mega-giga-important people.

Like Castle Wulfenbach:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/girlgenius/images/3/36/CastleWulfenbach.png/revision/latest?cb=20080317072347)
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 20, 2015, 12:15:02 pm
As an aside the one on scrap at least has a floor with what looks like expensive carpet - added by the Sylkans to decorate the pride of their fleet?

Going off the earlier "Yesha's Origin" theory, maybe they were simply personal aircraft for super-duper-ultra-mega-giga-important people.

Like Castle Wulfenbach:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/girlgenius/images/3/36/CastleWulfenbach.png/revision/latest?cb=20080317072347)

This image can certainly provide an insight as to how the ships may have travelled and what position. (facing upwards or on its side)
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Richard LeMoon on May 20, 2015, 12:19:17 pm
I'll take some measurements ingame and make an image or model to approximate the size of the ship. The size in that image may be accurate.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 20, 2015, 12:28:39 pm
I'll take some measurements ingame and make an image or model to approximate the size of the ship. The size in that image may be accurate.

That would be amazing! Thank you!
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: David Dire on May 20, 2015, 04:20:06 pm
Based on a search for Leviathan on this forum, I thought I would ask through curiosity.

What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?

obviously, there is a massive crash site on the Dunes but, there is also a massive cannon on the Firnfield. Is there a connection?

What would such a beast look like airborne?

(http://www.e-reading.club/illustrations/1005/1005028-_111.jpg)



Also I'd like to point out the GoIO Leviathan is really stupid as it's frame looks to be made up of a heavy metal, something like steel. Which basically means unless it had another balloon sticking out of it's sides the same size as the Leviathan it wouldn't even glide.

Which is probably why it crashed.

Seriously the absurd physics of the game destroy any logical lore.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 20, 2015, 04:26:09 pm
(http://www.e-reading.club/illustrations/1005/1005028-_111.jpg)

My God! I cracked it! No wonder the Sky-Whales are no more!
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on May 20, 2015, 05:20:58 pm
The one issue I can think of with the Naut being pre-war is that it means the tech was just sitting there out in the open, much easier to find than Gabe's designs in Paritus. If it was prewar, all someone would have to do is look at the wreak and then build from that. Also judging the time frame since the old world, the sands should have covered more of it.

However, lets assume it is old world. Where is the rest of it? We're only seeing a small segment of the larger vessel. With the amount of metal it has, it couldn't have all burned up.

So we've got possibilities for scavengers, say Nalm and Sylka have been pillaging it for their cities. That is one idea as to why we don't have more of it left.

Another is, perhaps not all of it broke off over the dunes. If we consider Dunes and Duel at Dawn two different areas then what we have is part of it breaking off over the dunes and the other part at where Duel at Dawn is. This means that perhaps the ship was more segmented in design, not one complete superstructure. It would have had multiple ballast systems for each segment. So it could lose one part of the ship and still stay in the air.

Given the level of tech for it and the geographic location, if it was a multi segmented ship, perhaps it's origin is Anglea. They have a lot of advanced tech there that is buried. Perhaps the naut was an early find that kickstarted their nation. Who would want to move to Anglea unless there was good reason? Finding something like the naut, would be good reason. Maybe Angleans used it as an early raiding platform until it was taken out? Like their own helicarrier in the sky. Hard to say.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 21, 2015, 02:47:16 am
The one issue I can think of with the Naut being pre-war is that it means the tech was just sitting there out in the open, much easier to find than Gabe's designs in Paritus. If it was prewar, all someone would have to do is look at the wreak and then build from that. Also judging the time frame since the old world, the sands should have covered more of it.

However, lets assume it is old world. Where is the rest of it? We're only seeing a small segment of the larger vessel. With the amount of metal it has, it couldn't have all burned up.

So we've got possibilities for scavengers, say Nalm and Sylka have been pillaging it for their cities. That is one idea as to why we don't have more of it left.

Another is, perhaps not all of it broke off over the dunes. If we consider Dunes and Duel at Dawn two different areas then what we have is part of it breaking off over the dunes and the other part at where Duel at Dawn is. This means that perhaps the ship was more segmented in design, not one complete superstructure. It would have had multiple ballast systems for each segment. So it could lose one part of the ship and still stay in the air.

Given the level of tech for it and the geographic location, if it was a multi segmented ship, perhaps it's origin is Anglea. They have a lot of advanced tech there that is buried. Perhaps the naut was an early find that kickstarted their nation. Who would want to move to Anglea unless there was good reason? Finding something like the naut, would be good reason. Maybe Angleans used it as an early raiding platform until it was taken out? Like their own helicarrier in the sky. Hard to say.

Wow! This could also give reference to a potential shape as the Spire is an upwards facing vessel.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 21, 2015, 02:49:05 am
I must say, this is the longest I have managed to actually keep a thread alive and everyone's contributions so far have been amazing.

It's like a mystery we are trying to solve.

Everyone has a different form of evidence to help build up a general Idea. I love it!   :D
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on May 21, 2015, 04:43:55 am
Spire in my book is totally a city defense ship. The design is just not optimal for trade or for long distance travels. It's options for berthing would be extremely limited and not all ports would likely be able to handle a Spire. But if mounted in a vertical berthing, it could sit there ready to launch at any time. Should emergencies arise it just rises up, obliterates foes, then settles back down.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: BdrLineAzn on May 21, 2015, 07:28:21 am
If you look off in the distance near the northern section of Duel you can see the crash site on Dunes.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: ShadedExalt on May 21, 2015, 09:54:11 am
Spire in my book is totally a city defense ship. The design is just not optimal for trade or for long distance travels. It's options for berthing would be extremely limited and not all ports would likely be able to handle a Spire. But if mounted in a vertical berthing, it could sit there ready to launch at any time. Should emergencies arise it just rises up, obliterates foes, then settles back down.

In the lore it says it's a Fjordlander defense ship.  It chills out innthe cramped valleys and stuff, and acts like a floating turret.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Kamoba on May 23, 2015, 04:18:57 am
*clears throat.*
Just one little note I would like to make here...

Muse have been asking the community to submit player written lore, and some of the theories within this thread would make for incredible tales, it wouldn't hurt to write these theories as stories then email them to feedback@musegames.com its quite likely is Eric likes the story and thinks it fits, it will be the story. :)
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 23, 2015, 06:24:23 am
*clears throat.*
Just one little note I would like to make here...

Muse have been asking the community to submit player written lore, and some of the theories within this thread would make for incredible tales, it wouldn't hurt to write these theories as stories then email them to feedback@musegames.com its quite likely is Eric likes the story and thinks it fits, it will be the story. :)

Wow! I should ask more world related questions more often  ;)
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Richard LeMoon on May 23, 2015, 06:33:31 pm
500+ meters tall. 2000+ meters long.

This thing was a floating town.

 (http://i.imgur.com/UAv8sHo.jpg)
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on May 23, 2015, 08:17:01 pm
*clears throat.*
Just one little note I would like to make here...

Muse have been asking the community to submit player written lore, and some of the theories within this thread would make for incredible tales, it wouldn't hurt to write these theories as stories then email them to feedback@musegames.com its quite likely is Eric likes the story and thinks it fits, it will be the story. :)

Wow! I should ask more world related questions more often  ;)


And still the cantina is dead.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Koali on May 23, 2015, 08:52:24 pm
*clears throat.*
Just one little note I would like to make here...

Muse have been asking the community to submit player written lore, and some of the theories within this thread would make for incredible tales, it wouldn't hurt to write these theories as stories then email them to feedback@musegames.com its quite likely is Eric likes the story and thinks it fits, it will be the story. :)

Wow! I should ask more world related questions more often  ;)


And still the cantina is dead.

T'is NOT! I happen to run an RP thread there!

Except that my thread seems to be the only active one there.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: ShadedExalt on May 23, 2015, 09:38:32 pm
Like Castle Wulfenbach:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/girlgenius/images/3/36/CastleWulfenbach.png/revision/latest?cb=20080317072347)

500+ meters tall. 2000+ meters long.

This thing was a floating town.

 (http://i.imgur.com/UAv8sHo.jpg)

So it IS Castle Wulfenbach!
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 23, 2015, 11:35:42 pm
Like Castle Wulfenbach:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/girlgenius/images/3/36/CastleWulfenbach.png/revision/latest?cb=20080317072347)

500+ meters tall. 2000+ meters long.

This thing was a floating town.

 (http://i.imgur.com/UAv8sHo.jpg)

So it IS Castle Wulfenbach!


I really like the graphical representation Richard! Nice Work!  :D
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 23, 2015, 11:39:32 pm
Maybe? the age of flying was caused by the Leviathan.

Most maps appear apocalyptic but, maybe this is because of the immense amount of Fuel, Metal and Other important elements needed to make the goliath operational.

This can explain why ships are small and crews are few. Why wastelands are desolate and the trees are all but small bushes here and there...  :o
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Koali on May 23, 2015, 11:41:03 pm
So someone turned most of the PLANET into an airship? Dayum, son.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 23, 2015, 11:48:31 pm
Maybe? the age of flying was caused by the Leviathan.

Most maps appear apocalyptic but, maybe this is because of the immense amount of Fuel, Metal and Other important elements needed to make the goliath operational.

This can explain why ships are small and crews are few. Why wastelands are desolate and the trees are all but small bushes here and there...  :o

This could also be the reason why the Leviathan appears to have crashed - a lack of resources to function unless;

Surely a ship of such size will need a big gun... to... shoot down.

Why is there a massive gun on the Firnfield?
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Richard LeMoon on May 24, 2015, 12:00:28 am
They have guns. Two very large flak, by the look if them, and many empty ports. But it was likely used to transport the giant gun as well.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Koali on May 24, 2015, 12:07:40 am
And when they actually fired it... The recoil tore a hole in something?
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 24, 2015, 12:31:02 am
Wow.  :o
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on May 24, 2015, 02:04:08 am
Maybe? the age of flying was caused by the Leviathan.

Most maps appear apocalyptic but, maybe this is because of the immense amount of Fuel, Metal and Other important elements needed to make the goliath operational.

This can explain why ships are small and crews are few. Why wastelands are desolate and the trees are all but small bushes here and there...  :o

There are forests and trees in the world. The game engine just can't handle them.

Ridge forest, the Millersweald, Altwood, then pretty much all of Chaladon. There is lots of green. We just can't judge the world based on content Muse hasn't created or can't create. I think we asked them about making a Ridge Forest map and the answer was pretty much it being too complex for the engine. That isn't to say it couldn't be done. Just have to figure out how to draw really crappy trees and lots of them. Or turn a cloud green and put some sticks under it. No having to draw leaves. Then add collision boxes for it so people can't go into it.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 24, 2015, 02:10:33 am
Maybe? the age of flying was caused by the Leviathan.

Most maps appear apocalyptic but, maybe this is because of the immense amount of Fuel, Metal and Other important elements needed to make the goliath operational.

This can explain why ships are small and crews are few. Why wastelands are desolate and the trees are all but small bushes here and there...  :o

There are forests and trees in the world. The game engine just can't handle them.

Ridge forest, the Millersweald, Altwood, then pretty much all of Chaladon. There is lots of green. We just can't judge the world based on content Muse hasn't created or can't create. I think we asked them about making a Ridge Forest map and the answer was pretty much it being too complex for the engine. That isn't to say it couldn't be done. Just have to figure out how to draw really crappy trees and lots of them. Or turn a cloud green and put some sticks under it. No having to draw leaves. Then add collision boxes for it so people can't go into it.

I did not know that, will have a read through the lore later.  :-[
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: BdrLineAzn on May 24, 2015, 02:58:11 am
Maybe? the age of flying was caused by the Leviathan.

Most maps appear apocalyptic but, maybe this is because of the immense amount of Fuel, Metal and Other important elements needed to make the goliath operational.

This can explain why ships are small and crews are few. Why wastelands are desolate and the trees are all but small bushes here and there...  :o

There are forests and trees in the world. The game engine just can't handle them.

Ridge forest, the Millersweald, Altwood, then pretty much all of Chaladon. There is lots of green. We just can't judge the world based on content Muse hasn't created or can't create. I think we asked them about making a Ridge Forest map and the answer was pretty much it being too complex for the engine. That isn't to say it couldn't be done. Just have to figure out how to draw really crappy trees and lots of them. Or turn a cloud green and put some sticks under it. No having to draw leaves. Then add collision boxes for it so people can't go into it.

I did not know that, will have a read through the lore later.  :-[

The world is not all desert or ruins, like Gilder said, there is still vegetation.

Here is a visual just in case.

(http://i.imgur.com/jVubc.jpg)
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: The Mann on May 24, 2015, 06:09:40 am
Wow!  :o
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on May 25, 2015, 11:51:07 pm
Maybe? the age of flying was caused by the Leviathan.

Most maps appear apocalyptic but, maybe this is because of the immense amount of Fuel, Metal and Other important elements needed to make the goliath operational.

This can explain why ships are small and crews are few. Why wastelands are desolate and the trees are all but small bushes here and there...  :o

This could also be the reason why the Leviathan appears to have crashed - a lack of resources to function unless;

Surely a ship of such size will need a big gun... to... shoot down.

Why is there a massive gun on the Firnfield?

Because Firnfeld is guns of icarus midgar/junon.

well its near some sorta cost... so junon it is.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on May 26, 2015, 01:44:37 am
Well what we know of Firnfeld is Anglea raids it. I kinda assume Firnfeld as a wild west kind of place because if Anglean society is based on Viking, then the greatest punishment would be exile. Hence to Firnfeld. Which then makes them ripe for Anglea to extort supplies from them. Especially if gangs in Firnfeld raid elsewhere. We know Anglea raids as far as Chaladon but it would be easier for them to just waltz into a coastal port of Firnfeld and demand tribute.

I go into this setup a bit in the VN's Anglean arc. It did lead to some interesting potential to what would happen if Firnfeld ever unified. Didn't go that far though, just left an idea of it.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on June 07, 2015, 03:35:57 pm
Well what we know of Firnfeld is Anglea raids it. I kinda assume Firnfeld as a wild west kind of place because if Anglean society is based on Viking, then the greatest punishment would be exile. Hence to Firnfeld. Which then makes them ripe for Anglea to extort supplies from them. Especially if gangs in Firnfeld raid elsewhere. We know Anglea raids as far as Chaladon but it would be easier for them to just waltz into a coastal port of Firnfeld and demand tribute.

I go into this setup a bit in the VN's Anglean arc. It did lead to some interesting potential to what would happen if Firnfeld ever unified. Didn't go that far though, just left an idea of it.

completely forgot that VN existed.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on June 07, 2015, 04:52:27 pm
Yeah we're basically ready to go into full production on the demo but just waiting on art assets to finish. I need more art type people! :D
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: ShadedExalt on June 07, 2015, 04:57:16 pm
Yeah we're basically ready to go into full production on the demo but just waiting on art assets to finish. I need more art type people! :D

There are more than a few on these forums you can hit up if you haven't
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on June 07, 2015, 09:03:57 pm
Either got most of them or the others just don't want to do it. Then theres the ones that want money up front. Prolly need to do a kickstarter but I want to talk with Muse for insight on that.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on June 10, 2015, 11:23:12 pm
lol kickstarter.

what stretch goals would you provide?

get a free copy of the free game?
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Koali on June 11, 2015, 12:02:19 am
lol kickstarter.

what stretch goals would you provide?

get a free copy of the free game?

HAAAATS
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on June 11, 2015, 12:25:59 am
Actually the demo would be free but the later story arcs could be paid content. Thats up to Muse tho.

Back on topic, just looked back and it is listing this ship as part of the Nalm/Sylka war on Scrap. Designed to put an end to it. So I assume that dates it as post old world. I don't think it would have been a local city project but likely at one time Nalm and Sylka had much larger territories or at least alliances. The major mining is over in Yesha so perhaps at the time, Nalm or Slyka were apart of that territory.

Now the wreckage is within the Dunes so we can safely assume that the Levi was intercepted before it reached either town. If we look at location of Nalm, it is closer to Yesha territory. So here is a situation.

We know Nalm has an upper and a lower city. It has a lot of wealth but is centered around a fresh water source. The Nalmese have strong ties to local warlords who defend it when enemies attempt to attack it. They are fearsome enough to keep marauders in line. Likely the Nalmese use the water as a bargaining chip. So lets assume there was a golden age in Nalm where they had a lot more power and were flexing it at Sylka. If Nalm had trade relations with the Yesha territories, they could have easily financed the Levi's construction. It would have been a vessel meant to break Sylka's lines and level the city, but something went wrong and probably a weak spot was found. Sylka exploited it. However, we don't know how much of their force was decimated before it was brought down. Lets assume enough where both sides would be forced to the peace table. Nalm could have lost a lot too if the Levi was a hydrogen filled death trap and their forces ran escort close to it.

Even if it didn't bring down a part of Nalm's fleet with it, the financial burden which was now burning up in the desert could have led to a change of leadership and brought in leaders more interested in peace than war.

Now had the Levi succeeded and flattened Sylka, Nalm would have easily expanded and likely eventually gone on to conquer large amounts of territory. Their leaders would have been celebrated.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: ShadedExalt on June 11, 2015, 12:30:16 am
The Hydro could have been the weakspot.
Title: Re: What would a fully constructed Leviathan look like?
Post by: Kamoba on June 11, 2015, 02:01:31 am
Leviathans weakness:
http://youtu.be/qniy8aDSFLA


I like that theory Gilder :)