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Title: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Supimpa on March 04, 2015, 12:51:35 pm
What is your personal stance on laying out gg's at the end of every match? Here are some questions:

1- Do you think it still holds any meaning or did it become something trivial, automatic?
2- Do you feel compelled to do it?
3- Do you feel unconfortable if you don't do it? Should you?
4- Do you see people who don't GG differently?
5- In your opinion, what is the correct application of gg: every single match because yes OR only balanced matches when you think both sides were able to have fun.

I personally think it's unecessary and it has become almost mandatory if you don't want to be seen as impolite. That troubles me a lil bit because I'm one of those guys who think GG only makes sense when both sides had fun and/or really tried to compete. Totally disaprove the political correctness side of it.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Ayetach on March 04, 2015, 01:01:31 pm
I have my own system when I conclude a game :P behold:

\o/ <-- cheer for victories

o7 <-- salute for defeats

Both are rather neutral and express the reverence and conclusive meanings that come with each outcome :)

I can use this in every game without the feeling of it being unnecessary or as a reverse, impolite if some sees it so. Sometimes I just forget to remark if I have to step away or whichever - Frankly its up to the player to decide how they want to do it but I like my neutral responses :D
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Thomas on March 04, 2015, 01:03:19 pm
I think it's always good to say, even if you didn't have as much fun. Generally both teams are trying their best to come out on top, even if it's a terrible mismatch. I'll always say gg to players that are trying, but if I end up winning because they have a whole ship leave or some kind of troll on their team, I'll often apologize. If I end up losing, even if it's from trolls or leavers, I'll still commend the enemy for a good game.

I suppose there's a few instances where I wouldn't say gg, this is usually if the opposing team is entirely composed of trolls and/or rude players.


Not saying gg generally comes off as extremely disrespectful (in the cases where you replace it with bg or such. Not saying anything at all isn't that bad). There was a clan I respected for some time until they stopped saying gg and always reverted to just saying 'game' at the end of their matches, and this came off as extremely rude and turned a lot of players against them. They've more or less stopped doing this, but the hard feelings from when they did it are still around.

So in the end it's the usual "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all." It's nice to say GG after a match, but if it was a terrible match, I wouldn't say anything and let it go rather than saying bg or even going so far as to blame players.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: HamsterIV on March 04, 2015, 01:14:42 pm
I put "gg" into global automatically at the end of the match. Is is a show of respect for your opponents regardless of if you won or not. Even if the game was a lopsided stomp or an overlong slog due to incompetent piloting I don't see the point of putting anything negative in global clat.

Crew or team chat, on the other hand, I will use to rail upon my ally's deficiencies and explain what they did to cause us to loose.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Supimpa on March 04, 2015, 01:15:41 pm
Not saying gg generally comes off as extremely disrespectful (in the cases where you replace it with bg or such. Not saying anything at all isn't that bad). There was a clan I respected for some time until they stopped saying gg and always reverted to just saying 'game' at the end of their matches, and this came off as extremely rude and turned a lot of players against them. They've more or less stopped doing this, but the hard feelings from when they did it are still around.
Why does it generally comes off as extremely disrespectful, to the point where you started disliking a clan you respected when they stopped gg-ing?

When did gg-ing become so important? Doesn't it bother you that gg-ing is almost a norm, similar to a social norm.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Supimpa on March 04, 2015, 01:26:55 pm
Imagine a small group of people in your city start saying "good food!" every time they leave any restaurant. After some time, you notice that more and more people are doing the same, and one day you're one of the few who are not doing it. Then your friends start calling you out on your impoliteness, "Common, aren't you gonna say good food?". No one seems to remember when such behavior was completely unecessary or why it's become a norm.

Why can't your friends and you just enjoy your meal and leave like it's always been? Aren't there enough not-spoken obligations that we have to adhere? Why create more when it's not needed or why enforce new ones?
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Crafeksterty on March 04, 2015, 01:29:00 pm
I say GG when it really was a GG
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: HamsterIV on March 04, 2015, 01:54:26 pm
Imagine a small group of people in your city start saying "good food!" every time they leave any restaurant. After some time, you notice that more and more people are doing the same, and one day you're one of the few who are not doing it. Then your friends start calling you out on your impoliteness, "Common, aren't you gonna say good food?". No one seems to remember when such behavior was completely unecessary or why it's become a norm.

Why can't your friends and you just enjoy your meal and leave like it's always been? Aren't there enough not-spoken obligations that we have to adhere? Why create more when it's not needed or why enforce new ones?

It costs you nothing to be polite and might make another person feel better. Niceties like "Hello," "Good Bye," "Please," and "Thank You" are not required to communicate. Yet their use is almost ubiquitous. "GG" is just the gaming equivalent.

If "good food" became customary to say as you leave a restaurant I would be sure to say it, just as I would be sure to tip when it is expected. To do otherwise would be to put my individuality above another person's happiness. I am not that sort of person and I do not wish to be seen as such.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Lanliss on March 04, 2015, 01:58:39 pm
i obviously didn't make this but i think it's appropriate
we all dealt with those people...

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just gg or don't say anything. noone cares.
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Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Supimpa on March 04, 2015, 02:15:32 pm
It costs you nothing to be polite and might make another person feel better. Niceties like "Hello," "Good Bye," "Please," and "Thank You" are not required to communicate. Yet their use is almost ubiquitous. "GG" is just the gaming equivalent.

If "good food" became customary to say as you leave a restaurant I would be sure to say it, just as I would be sure to tip when it is expected. To do otherwise would be to put my individuality above another person's happiness. I am not that sort of person and I do not wish to be seen as such.
Everyone can relate to the usefulness of "Please" and "Thank you", these have been in languages since i don't know.. forever? Now 'GG' is new and it was never needed (perhaps it still isn't, but some people seem to think it is) in gaming until recently.

Regarding "good food" example. Wouldn't you at least question why it's become customary? Why not saying "good food" became equal to "put my individuality above another person's happiness". If you thought it's a silly thing and see no reason for it to become customary, would you say it anyway, thus helping it become a norm?
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Supimpa on March 04, 2015, 02:34:31 pm
I put "gg" into global automatically at the end of the match. Is is a show of respect for your opponents regardless of if you won or not. Even if the game was a lopsided stomp or an overlong slog due to incompetent piloting I don't see the point of putting anything negative in global clat.

Crew or team chat, on the other hand, I will use to rail upon my ally's deficiencies and explain what they did to cause us to loose.
GG isn't a show for respect to me and many other people whom I speak to - mostly because up until recently I had always seen it used for legitimately good games - but I understand that it's meaning might be different to other players (because of dota or starcraft i guess).

I couldn't care less if spouting "triple legged constipated avocados" at the end of each match became a sign of respect towards other people and I would definitely have no quarell about anyone saying it.

It only becomes a problem when suddently I'm supposed to say it, or else I'm considered impolite.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Lanliss on March 04, 2015, 02:41:50 pm
This sounds a lot like the discussion on commendations in another thread. It is talked there about how, at this point, it seems impolite to not give a commendation. When I feel someone does not deserve a gg, I say "gg, everyone but X". If someone really went so far that they do not deserve a gg, they deserve to be singled out. Preferably with copious amounts of ridicule. >:D
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Replaceable on March 04, 2015, 02:53:08 pm
sorry for the misbalance
sorry for the ragequitters
gg
gg wp
Good game, Well Played (When the game was so good and so well played that they deserve the full statement.)

What I say at the end of games.

And prior to this:

Happy Birthday!~
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Steve CZ on March 04, 2015, 03:19:29 pm
I noticed most people write it automatically no matter how terrible the match turned out (for example half of one team ragequit), therefore I think it lost any meaning and I ignore it completely. If someone is judging me for not writing it, then... well... who cares.

It's similar when the person at the cinema who checks tickets tells you "Enjoy the movie" and you know he's doing it just because it's in the job description.

Honestly, if the game was something really enjoyable or special, it deserves more than joining the gg crowd in the chat.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 04, 2015, 03:20:26 pm
I often have a habit of saying GG.

If it was a very very intense match, normally I say nothing regardless of win or loss simply because my brain starts replaying important parts of the match and I forget to type...

If it was a good balanced match and I came out on top, I tend to say "Nothing without my crew <3" because pilots and captains very often forget, without a good crew, they'd get nowhere outside of public matches.

If it was a good balanced match and I lost, sometimes habit says GG, other times I say "Very well played!"

and same as repleaceable, sorry for the unbalanced match (even if they refused offers to help balance the match.) and sorry for the rage quitters.



Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on March 04, 2015, 03:36:57 pm
I personally think it's unecessary and it has become almost mandatory if you don't want to be seen as impolite. That troubles me a lil bit because I'm one of those guys who think GG only makes sense when both sides had fun and/or really tried to compete. Totally disaprove the political correctness side of it.

+500 Gilder points to Supimpa

I hate that it just becomes a social norm. There is no meaning to the letters. I've been in matches in a variety of games since UT99 days and what really got me the most and made me swear off ever using it unless I meant it...was running into aimbotters in matches back then. They'd ruin matches. Laugh and mock at players. Servers would empty and fill constantly when one would show up. What really ticked me off more was it would end and everyone would type "gg". I'd be like...NO! Why are you telling some hacker that it was a GG? He ruined the game for everyone and you still say GG? That got me.

In GOIO the equivalent would be most of a enemy team rage quitting and the last ship getting stomped. Then everyone goes "gg"...I'm like...no...no. I don't care if I'm doing the stomping, I'm not going to pour salt in my foes wounds by saying there was anything good about what his allies did.

I've long since stopped caring what people think about me not typing "gg". Had a few mention it to me over the years like it was some horrific crime I was committing.  Then I tell them why and they leave it be. You can't guilt me into doing it. It is a form of political correctness and I refuse to submit to social norms like that.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: c-ponter on March 04, 2015, 03:58:03 pm
I for one say gg if it's a fun match, GG! If it was an extremely tense/fun match. Its a really subtle difference but one that I think makes a big deifference. If it's not worthy of either of those then say nothing imo, as somebody said, its like tipping in a restaurant, if you had bad service you wouldn't leave a tip
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Thomas on March 04, 2015, 04:29:34 pm
You seem offended that people say gg all the time. It's basically just a polite way of saying 'thanks for the game' and showing some level of respect. If you don't want to say it, don't say it?


Saying gg isn't all that important, people just like to be nice, as strange as that sounds. If it's a bad game and you don't say anything, people won't care.


I'm not going to get on anyone's case for not saying good game, but if they're not a good sport (shouting about how bad the game was, blaming their team, etc) I'll probably think less of them. (Again, unless there was some terrible problem that caused it to be a bad game like trolls, super lag, leavers, etc). It's really situational.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Dementio on March 04, 2015, 05:16:38 pm
I never made it a habit to say GG at the end of every game. In the game that I played before joining Guns of Icarus, GG was a rare occurance, because instead of saying it, people just socialized, balanced or not. In fact, I used to say that in the beginning of the game start through a voice commands, but only in game modes where you had to win as an individual.

In Guns of Icarus I either say "Mobula OP" or nothing at all. When I say nothing at all, there is a good chance that I don't pay attention to the chat, which happens often in a competitive environment, I just blend it out the second the game starts until we are back in the lobby.

I would rather have some socializing instead of dem Gs, but in competitive teams tend to be so socially seperated that one cannot do more than compliment gunners or pilots or trying to point out flaws in the other teams gameplay. I don't compliment very often, because said gunners or pilots sometimes do so many mistakes that I am not sure how much good a compliment would do and as a pilot myself I know how much unintended stuff happens, for example the crew doesn't do what I want immediately or I am in such an awkward position that I don't even know, and I am not sure if I would even want a compliment when I am on the recieving end.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: DJ Logicalia on March 04, 2015, 05:30:40 pm
At this point I'll only say
Sorry for the stack
Sorry your team/teammate left
ggwp
or nothing
If a game was good and both teams played well, I'll say ggwp. If it was massively unbalanced,  I'll apologize,  but I will never say gg if we crushed the enemy 5-0. It seems patronizing at best.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Indreams on March 04, 2015, 07:23:48 pm
I usually "gg". It's more of a habit from my Starcrafting days. "glhf" (good luck and have fun) begins games and "gg" (good game) ends games. In Starcraft, it was the accepted norm, and it was pretty rude (and taunting) if you didn't "glhf" and "gg".

Although, I say "happy birthday~" when I play a Cake. I rather like that.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 04, 2015, 08:04:16 pm
I have recently been considering a new line to say at the end of a victory, a hypothetical question...

"Is there an awesome, beyond awesome, or is awesome the most awesome, I will ever be?"

 8)

(p.s. I'm joking)
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Spud Nick on March 04, 2015, 09:40:00 pm
Why GG when you can Happy Birthday!~
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Richard LeMoon on March 05, 2015, 12:20:28 am
I just say "Well fought." I never was one to take to silly net/text slang. I much prefer actual words and sentences.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Xemkobankavareniya on March 05, 2015, 12:32:56 am
GGMLG
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on March 05, 2015, 07:31:28 pm
GG is pretty much my way of saying game over.

I guess game gone? Hence I only say it before or during a match when it has reached a conclusive point.

gg in many rts circles (esports star craft notably) is actually just a means of surrendering a match as it has reached the point where a player loses the chance/ability to win.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: ShadedExalt on March 05, 2015, 11:05:10 pm
If it was a truly BAD game, I won't say "gg".  If it's average/good, I'll say GG.

So simple, it seems like magic!
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 06, 2015, 01:57:45 am
GG is pretty much my way of saying game over.

I guess game gone? Hence I only say it before or during a match when it has reached a conclusive point.

gg in many rts circles (esports star craft notably) is actually just a means of surrendering a match as it has reached the point where a player loses the chance/ability to win.

Or perhaps this is your mind perceiving this in such a negative manner through psychological assumptions?
GG stands for Good Game, any normal person who wants to saying something different, will say something different. If someone writes GG and you read something different, it is your perception, not their meaning.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Mean Machine on March 06, 2015, 03:14:58 am
I rarely say gg in pub match and more often in competitive, but only if I mean it. I don't think lying to your opponents is better sporting than tossing ggs all over the place.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: c-ponter on March 06, 2015, 04:07:24 am
GG is pretty much my way of saying game over.

I guess game gone? Hence I only say it before or during a match when it has reached a conclusive point.

gg in many rts circles (esports star craft notably) is actually just a means of surrendering a match as it has reached the point where a player loses the chance/ability to win.
I agree 100% that in some games, specifically starcraft, it is actually considered extremely rude not to gg at the end of a game, regardless of how well played or enjoyable it was, but personally I don't want GOIO to turn into one of those games where a gg is necessary. Imo it should hold some degree of meaning, not just a way of saying 'game over'
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: RearAdmiralZill on March 06, 2015, 07:36:08 am
My take on "gg" has actually changed while playing Guns. At first, and for awhile, I'd say it after every match as habit. After awhile though, and I'm pretty sure after I became a CAMod, I noticed my "gg" more often doing more harm than anything else if I just say it after any match. A lot of times, it would draw out someone on the opposite side to say "bg" in either the short or long version.

This doesn't apply to everyone of course, and your air miles may vary. I typically reserve my "gg" for good games.

I don't get into the politics of "gg" either. You can say it or say nothing and I never feel much either way. The respect is still there. I do dislike people who say "bg", mostly the ones that do the long versions.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: ZnC on March 06, 2015, 10:18:31 am
GGMLG

Interesting to read this thread especially since I'm a competitive Starcraft II player. Like c-ponter said, it is rude not to GG in the Starcraft scene.

In RTS or MOBA games like Starcraft and DotA, most games where there is a clear winner isn't played to the end. So when surrendering, players GG to acknowledge defeat and prevent leaving the game midway in a sudden manner. Whereas in GOI, games are played to the end with a shared endgame score screen and rematch lobby for everyone.

Seems most of the GOI players wouldn't GG if it wasn't a GG - perfectly reasonable not to. It is just me, and while it does make GG a lot less meaningful, I try to take every game with a pinch of salt and GG even if I win 11-0 or get stomped 0-11. However I do feel bad/not-so-respectful saying GG after stomping another team - will probably reflect on that.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Sammy B. T. on March 06, 2015, 10:50:22 am
Man I thought this was a gamergate thread for a second.

I say GG. I'm a polite person irl. Sir and ma'am, please and thank you, all with sincerity and deference. I'm commonly told that you'd think I know personally every cashier or server I meet. While sometimes this is "fake", where I don't actually think the person deserves the honorific of sir or ma'am, or they have not done a job deserving of thanks, I regardless still follow these rules. I want everyone to be respectful but as I can't force people to do so then I must hold myself to a high standard.

Etiquette is often just going through the motions, however its still nice to follow.

Do what you want but unless it is an exceptionally bad game due to trolling I will GG and I love the fact that its often followed by a bunch of Duck GG's as well.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Crafeksterty on March 06, 2015, 02:50:43 pm
That... is not a good example. And isnt the same at all.

Saying GG implies a match well spent. Im not gonna say GG if i pummeled the other team 5-0. Who knows how they had it, did they have it fun? The chances are since i desimated them... no they didnt.

(It would only be polite to not say GG in that circumstance)



Oh another thing, try to seperate. "Thanks for the game" from "Good Game".
In my Fighting game days, playing against flippin gods, i thank them for the games. But i didnt bring a Good game.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Richard LeMoon on March 07, 2015, 01:43:22 am
In a similar thread, I rarely give out commendations anymore. They are tossed out like candy, really meaningless. A lot of people just see them as another achievement to get. I used to give them to everyone, spam clicking to make sure I got everyone before the timer ran out. Then I realized something was wrong. I did not know these people. I did not know how they treated their crews. My commendations did not mean anything. They were the button version of 'gg'. The final straw came after I gave someone a commendation randomly. He had never spoken to me, but flew an OK game on the other team. Once back in the lobby, a lady friend of mine came into the lobby, and, well, he suddenly behaved in a very unsportsmanlike way. After that, I stopped giving commendations. There are quite a few lobbies were I am glad I did not give any. I started finding other's reflexive 'gg' to be equally meaningless, and even insulting. I never did say 'gg' in a non-sarcastic manner, but now made it a point to say "Well fought." and only give commendations to people I play a good number of matches with to get a measure of their true worth. If you get a commendation from me, it means something.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Patched Wizard on March 08, 2015, 01:08:15 pm
I used to play football in a semi-professional league since I was a kid and from a young age I was always taught to show good sportsmanship regardless of the results of the game or the opponents that I faced. From that I always try and say "good game" because no matter if I or they got crushed, the simple fact was that we both played against each other and stayed until the end. For me it is honourable to show a margin of respect to my opponent even if neither of us had fun.

Commendations however are a different thing. I see that as more of a personal recognition of a player's actions in the game and for that I do not find responsible to always reward a player. I will even say "good game" in matches against vile players but I will withhold giving them a commendation for their behaviour.

At a young age, without the foundations of sportsmanship, a child can quickly descend into elitism, arrogance, and develop exclusionary and selfish behaviour. At an older age our habits take longer to remould, but given a long enough time scale, even a tiny splinter of pretentiousness can infect our minds and grow to dominate our attitude in all spheres of our lives.

For me, "good game" is more about keeping myself in check and ensuring that I always maintain a good attitude in game then about the game itself.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on March 12, 2015, 12:09:50 am
GG is pretty much my way of saying game over.

I guess game gone? Hence I only say it before or during a match when it has reached a conclusive point.

gg in many rts circles (esports star craft notably) is actually just a means of surrendering a match as it has reached the point where a player loses the chance/ability to win.

Or perhaps this is your mind perceiving this in such a negative manner through psychological assumptions?
GG stands for Good Game, any normal person who wants to saying something different, will say something different. If someone writes GG and you read something different, it is your perception, not their meaning.

Its 6-4

and most of those 6 deaths were due to your noob ally squid that has charged the enemy spawn.

You have 10 seconds to spawn and kero across the map just in time to see the squid die from a 3 v 1.

Pretty freakin gg. Spare your delusional demonising nonsense.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: MightyKeb on March 12, 2015, 03:37:18 am
GG is pretty much my way of saying game over.

I guess game gone? Hence I only say it before or during a match when it has reached a conclusive point.

gg in many rts circles (esports star craft notably) is actually just a means of surrendering a match as it has reached the point where a player loses the chance/ability to win.

Or perhaps this is your mind perceiving this in such a negative manner through psychological assumptions?
GG stands for Good Game, any normal person who wants to saying something different, will say something different. If someone writes GG and you read something different, it is your perception, not their meaning.

Its 6-4

and most of those 6 deaths were due to your noob ally squid that has charged the enemy spawn.

You have 10 seconds to spawn and kero across the map just in time to see the squid die from a 3 v 1.

Pretty freakin gg. Spare your delusional demonising nonsense.
From what I can see ceres kamoba hasnt said anything about "why you should gg" all he's doing is bringing awareness to the general meaning of gg, as not everyone will assume a poorly worded "game gone" when you say gg and if you really wanna get it out youre better off just writing down the whole sentence.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 12, 2015, 04:32:21 am
GG is pretty much my way of saying game over.

I guess game gone? Hence I only say it before or during a match when it has reached a conclusive point.

gg in many rts circles (esports star craft notably) is actually just a means of surrendering a match as it has reached the point where a player loses the chance/ability to win.

Or perhaps this is your mind perceiving this in such a negative manner through psychological assumptions?
GG stands for Good Game, any normal person who wants to saying something different, will say something different. If someone writes GG and you read something different, it is your perception, not their meaning.

Its 6-4

and most of those 6 deaths were due to your noob ally squid that has charged the enemy spawn.

You have 10 seconds to spawn and kero across the map just in time to see the squid die from a 3 v 1.

Pretty freakin gg. Spare your delusional demonising nonsense.
From what I can see ceres kamoba hasnt said anything about "why you should gg" all he's doing is bringing awareness to the general meaning of gg, as not everyone will assume a poorly worded "game gone" when you say gg and if you really wanna get it out youre better off just writing down the whole sentence.


Basically what Keb said, not everyone has the ability to read minds like you Ceres, so when you say "gg" most people read Good Game, not Game Gone, so if you want to say "Game Gone" better to type the full thing.
8)

Also my overall point revolves around your negative attitude as well, if you assume negative attitude from other people who are being positive, you attract a negative experience to yourself, this could be why you're experiencing so much frustration and despair to your game play, making it less enjoyable for yourself.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Hoja Lateralus on March 12, 2015, 05:13:09 am
What Kamoba said is CA-speak for "It's all your fault, asshole" :D

Ceres said nothing wrong, I think. As he said, in starcraft saying gg when you see you can't win anymore means surrendering the game. Although I think "game gone" explanation is wrong, it's just saying gg like "It was a good fight, you won, I cannot fight you anymore and we can just spare those extra 5-10-whatever minutes of you destroying every my building". I think gg as, say, "good day" can be said (written) both seriously and sarcastically, that's why you see sth like "Oh, lvl1 gunner joined our ship and took the helm. GG.".

About gg-ing itself - after many sales I find less and less patience and (sadly) less and less respect for the new players, so most of the time I don't gg because it wasn't a good game for me (duh!). GGing can be treated as common courtesy like saying hi to your crew, or something more meaningless. Same goes with giving recommendation, adding to friend list, clan recrutation patterns etc.

Also I think goio is a bit more complicated regarding gg issue than Starcraft. In Starcraft most games are 1v1 so it's really battle between you and your oponent and nobody can "break" your game, like a bad ally or crewmember in goio. We all know the pain. That's why never gg when bad ally (regardless whether on my or enemy team) acts stupid or leaves after first death. That's why blocks and reports are so important and that's why votekick or something similar is a must (but that's a different story).
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 12, 2015, 08:35:47 am
What Kamoba said is CA-speak for "It's all your fault, asshole" :D

Ceres said nothing wrong, I think. As he said, in starcraft saying gg when you see you can't win anymore means surrendering the game. Although I think "game gone" explanation is wrong, it's just saying gg like "It was a good fight, you won, I cannot fight you anymore and we can just spare those extra 5-10-whatever minutes of you destroying every my building". I think gg as, say, "good day" can be said (written) both seriously and sarcastically, that's why you see sth like "Oh, lvl1 gunner joined our ship and took the helm. GG.".

About gg-ing itself - after many sales I find less and less patience and (sadly) less and less respect for the new players, so most of the time I don't gg because it wasn't a good game for me (duh!). GGing can be treated as common courtesy like saying hi to your crew, or something more meaningless. Same goes with giving recommendation, adding to friend list, clan recrutation patterns etc.

Also I think goio is a bit more complicated regarding gg issue than Starcraft. In Starcraft most games are 1v1 so it's really battle between you and your oponent and nobody can "break" your game, like a bad ally or crewmember in goio. We all know the pain. That's why never gg when bad ally (regardless whether on my or enemy team) acts stupid or leaves after first death. That's why blocks and reports are so important and that's why votekick or something similar is a must (but that's a different story).


Oh I'm not saying it's all his fault, just that based on the points he made earlier in the thread that he is assuming a lot of negativity off of other players and I believe this assumption leads to an overall less positive attitude.

Yes people say GG before match end to admit defeat and say it sarcastically too, but not everyone says it spitefully, as Patched Wizard and Blackened Pies have already covered the subject of manners and etiquette, I wont spend ages reiterating, I'll just point out that at times when a gentlemen admits defeat early in the battle, he is still showing courtesy, not everyone spits the words out with a growl and swears. :)
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Richard LeMoon on March 14, 2015, 12:01:23 am
Can we say GG to this thread now? ;)
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: ShadedExalt on March 14, 2015, 12:06:41 am
Can we say GG to this thread now? ;)

Yes, please.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: DJ Logicalia on March 14, 2015, 12:09:32 am
ggwp
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Post by: Xemkobankavareniya on March 14, 2015, 12:50:17 am
GGMLG
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 14, 2015, 03:15:36 am
Happy Birthday!
Well played thread, well played.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Patched Wizard on March 14, 2015, 05:36:59 am
gg

FOR SCIENCE!
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Post by: Hoja Lateralus on March 14, 2015, 05:54:19 am
gg 348 no scope
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Replaceable on March 14, 2015, 07:08:57 am
Gg wp~

Sorry for disconnects
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 14, 2015, 07:29:46 am
It wasn't a stacked lobby they got one kill!

"Is there an awesome more awesome, than awesome? Or is awesome the most awesome I will ever be?" #humblewinner
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Richard LeMoon on March 14, 2015, 09:12:09 pm
Crew form, please.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: MightyKeb on March 15, 2015, 04:03:22 am
Can you guys inv someone? Our ship's a man short
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 15, 2015, 04:09:17 am
The only person I see available on my friends list... Well.. You already have an AI on your ship, youre likely better off... GL HF!
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Richard LeMoon on March 15, 2015, 11:49:45 am
Can you guys inv someone? Our ship's thread's a man short

Keep with the theme, noobie. If you don't know how to fly a forum, you should stick to reddits in novice.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Replaceable on March 15, 2015, 12:17:45 pm
Can you guys inv someone? Our ship's thread's a man short

Keep with the theme, noobie. If you don't know how to fly a forum, you should stick to reddits in novice.

Who is this one 'player's anyways
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Mr. Goggles on March 17, 2015, 09:03:06 am
I have found GG to be completely ineffectual coming from other people. It is just letters to me now. I remember it used to be a bit more meaningful when we first started seeing it 9 or 10 years back. Now it is just nothing. A reaction people have to a game ending. If a game is truly good, people usually type something more about it. i.e., "Wow... you guys totally kicked our arses." or "Holy crap, good job crew. Don't know what I would have done without you," etc.

However, when I say it, it is usually a way of coping with anger at my own crew or my own failure to play right. Kind of like sucking it up so I don't get upset at a video game. i.e., Got no kills. Died 4 times. Tried to fly a Galleon., "GG."

Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Dutch Vanya on March 17, 2015, 04:51:51 pm
I have found GG to be completely ineffectual coming from other people. It is just letters to me now. I remember it used to be a bit more meaningful when we first started seeing it 9 or 10 years back. Now it is just nothing. A reaction people have to a game ending. If a game is truly good, people usually type something more about it. i.e., "Wow... you guys totally kicked our arses." or "Holy crap, good job crew. Don't know what I would have done without you," etc.

However, when I say it, it is usually a way of coping with anger at my own crew or my own failure to play right. Kind of like sucking it up so I don't get upset at a video game. i.e., Got no kills. Died 4 times. Tried to fly a Galleon., "GG."
I always enjoy communication with the enemy after a good match. Too bad everyone gets kicked to the crewform cage now.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 17, 2015, 06:33:19 pm
Yeah if no one votes scramble default is crew form :(
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Lanliss on March 17, 2015, 06:39:28 pm
That should be changed, so default is scramble.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Dutch Vanya on March 17, 2015, 06:40:49 pm
And why does the 3 match limit exist again? Can we get rid of that yet?
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Lanliss on March 17, 2015, 07:13:27 pm
Do not think that will be changed. It is so that people get kicked back into matchmaker, instead of sticking in one game for hours on end.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on March 18, 2015, 10:37:44 am
Do not think that will be changed. It is so that people get kicked back into matchmaker, instead of sticking in one game for hours on end.

The unfortunate truth, which is why we should preach the use of rematch! As much as we preach the use of Chen spray!
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: ApocalypseToast on June 13, 2015, 09:01:15 pm
Personally I only "gg" if It was a close game that had me on the edge of my seat or if I actually had a good time playing. I don't see why this should need to become a thing that everyone has to do OR ELSE  :) same goes for commendations... I'm not one of those people to give commendations it every person I see. I only commend people that are genuinely nice or helpful as I feel they deserve it :)
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Madden Kilfoyle on June 14, 2015, 05:52:57 am
I generally say gg because for the most part I have fun in all my matches. If there was a ship mostly comprised of bots, then the pilot gets additional praise for persevering, if they've been rude and shown terrible sportsmanship then I don't say anything.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Dr Brobotnik on June 14, 2015, 06:24:18 am
I always GG. It's a sign of good sportsmanship, and other players lack of good behaviour does not excuse my own. It's like losing a 1v1 in a TV show and still giving the winner a high five.
I also give my crew commendations if we won. Again, good sportsmanship.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Elazul on June 15, 2015, 02:25:24 pm
I think of saying GG at the end of a match as the online game equivalent to shaking hands after a match in many sports. It shows sportsmanship and respect for your opponent, and also ally ships.

If a match was particularly close, or the opposition was extra impressive, I'll add well played, or WP.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: DaOrks on June 15, 2015, 02:49:08 pm
Personally I only "gg" if It was a close game that had me on the edge of my seat or if I actually had a good time playing. I don't see why this should need to become a thing that everyone has to do OR ELSE  :) same goes for commendations... I'm not one of those people to give commendations it every person I see. I only commend people that are genuinely nice or helpful as I feel they deserve it :)

I imagine the people that always GG come from other games. Years of Starcraft has made me GG in damn near every game I play.
Title: Re: To GG or not to GG? That is the question.
Post by: Kamoba on June 15, 2015, 03:50:02 pm
I rarely GG'd before GoIo because often the community would be too stubborn about it "pfft gg dat was a stomp" or "Yh gg dat waz EZ bruh hurry bak fer another whippin" which is something I rarely see in GoIo so I happily say GG :)