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Title: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Velvet on March 01, 2015, 06:44:48 pm
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Sunday Community Skirmish on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/sundaycommunityskirmish)
The Sunday Community Skirmish is a double elimination tournament event that runs every week with occasional breaks. All matches are 2v2, time limited best of 1s and are normally streamed live on Twitch. Any team of 8 players is welcome to participate.

This signup thread is for the Skirmish at 8pm UTC on Sunday 8th March (3pm EST) The event is normally streamed by Fourth Oracle, as well as other streamers who vary from week to week. The details of all streams will be made clear on the day of the event. The event has an expected runtime of 2-4 hours.

Signups should be posted in this thread and include a Steam/Skype contact and team name. Signups close at midday (UTC), or 7 AM EST, on Saturday the 7th of March. Please try to avoid last minute signups.
The bracket and map rolls will be available soon after signups close. (brackets at http://goiocommunity.challonge.com/ (http://goiocommunity.challonge.com/))
Participants will be contacted when their matches are starting, although it's encouraged to consult the bracket and keep track of the streams so you have a decent idea of when you will be playing.

The complete rules can be found in this document. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BEfqkDYqYDfaZ_-irntJt3yG4sowL0xgUtlToKwyK2E/edit)

Please only sign up if you are confident of your ability to produce a full team of 8 players.

The event is switching to a DOUBLE ELIMINATION format with best of one matches!
Time limit per match has changed to 20 minutes, without extra time. Have a look at this (http://goiocommunity.challonge.com/sundayskirmishtest) if you don't know how double elimination works.

New Teams Guide:
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Velvet on March 01, 2015, 06:52:07 pm
Ok so this week we are switching to double elimination format (so if you lose a match you get a 2nd chance against a different team). It is something of an experiment but one we are hoping we will be able to retain. We are hoping this will alleviate some of the issues the event has had with mismatched games as well as allowing teams to face a greater variety of opponents in a shorter timespan. Mainly it's to ensure that the event can fill its primary goal, of giving all teams an opportunity for weekly matches, more effectively even for teams that are defeated in the early stages of the event.

Given the major structure change it shouldn't be a surprise if some fine tuning is necessary over the next few weeks. In particular we'll be observing whether a further extension to the match time limit should accompany the switch to double elimination. Please bear with us.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Skrimskraw on March 04, 2015, 01:40:21 pm
OBS! DST for USA starts on this sunday, this means that the event will start one hour later for you guys, 4pm est to be exact.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Assault Pig on March 05, 2015, 03:08:36 pm
Centurions signing up!

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Contacts: Assault Pig, Blue.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: DJ Logicalia on March 06, 2015, 01:55:40 pm
I'm getting packed to fly home for spring break, so here's a bare bones
 Starbard Returns!

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Contacts are Logicalia and nanoduckling in case I'm not around Sunday
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Princess Tutu on March 06, 2015, 02:04:47 pm
Mad Hatters
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Mean Machine on March 06, 2015, 02:47:11 pm
TTea signing up.

Contact: Mean Machine or MiztaWildCard
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Fynx on March 06, 2015, 02:53:12 pm
Catskyders signing up.

Contact: Fynx or Kamoba
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: LogHalley on March 06, 2015, 04:16:06 pm
404 signing up :)
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Portable Grump on March 06, 2015, 04:56:59 pm
Watch Over Daedalus signing up!
A legendary coalition
WoD and OVW
We came to make an impression
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Contact:
Portable Grump

U WoD m8?
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Velvet on March 07, 2015, 11:24:54 am
Bracket: http://goiocommunity.challonge.com/sundayskirmish41 (http://goiocommunity.challonge.com/sundayskirmish41)
Map Rolls: http://pastebin.com/PGUBLrYE (http://pastebin.com/PGUBLrYE)

The organisational contact for tomorrow's event is Skrimskraw. Contact him if you have any queries or  emergencies during the event.

Schedule
(this is a prediction and may be subject to change)

Streamed by Fourth Oracle (http://www.twitch.tv/fourthoracle[/url). (refereed by Aayra)
Matches B, A, D, J, F, M, G, (H)

Streamed by Daniel (http://twitch.tv/D_Dementio). (referred by Allien)
Matches C, I, E, K, L
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Foxx on March 08, 2015, 01:42:24 pm
Off the bat, i prefer this kind of tournament, Reminds me of the qualifier for the Sky League qualifier system.

Although will their be an extra match if the winner of the loser bracket defeats the winner of the winner bracket in the first match, handing them their first loss of the day?  Or is it a finals 1 match winner of that takes the championship, even if the loser is handed their first defeat?
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Mean Machine on March 08, 2015, 02:15:49 pm
Quote from: Foxx on March 08, 2015, 01:42:24 pm
Off the bat, i prefer this kind of tournament, Reminds me of the qualifier for the Sky League qualifier system.

Although will their be an extra match if the winner of the loser bracket defeats the winner of the winner bracket in the first match, handing them their first loss of the day?  Or is it a finals 1 match winner of that takes the championship, even if the loser is handed their first defeat?

You can see in bracket there is finals and then another match after finals (if necessary). That one is for that case you're talking about. At least looks like that.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Velvet on March 08, 2015, 02:16:11 pm
Yes, there will be a second finals match if the Match G loser was previously undefeated.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Allien' on March 08, 2015, 02:17:42 pm
We are giving the winner of the upper bracket the advantage, yes. The winner of the losers bracket needs to win 2 matches in the final to win the event.
which is fair ;)
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Skrimskraw on March 08, 2015, 02:22:38 pm
basicly if your team loses 2 times, they are out.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Velvet on March 08, 2015, 07:32:00 pm
If anyone has any feedback on our first event with the double elimination structure here is a good place to put it.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Dr Pantaleon on March 08, 2015, 07:58:55 pm
Once again a very pleasant SCS! I like the new elimination system. You play against more opponents and you feel like you're progressing more. It feels nice to have a chance at a comeback. Fighting the centurions both in the first round as well as the finals felt great! (Would have been even better though if we'd defeated them the second time, obviously)
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: DJ Logicalia on March 08, 2015, 08:32:42 pm
I liked the new system. Adds an interesting dynamic to the whole even. Net positive,  I think
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Assault Pig on March 08, 2015, 09:07:37 pm
I'll be honest, I was a bit apprehensive of the best of one format at first. It does however, really ramp up the intensity in each individual engagement. I also like how each team has two "lives" so they're more or less guaranteed to see at least two different opponents in the tourney.

My only concern is teams getting unlucky with map rolls. In my opinion, any teams that draw Duel at Dawn, (in its current, win the first engagement then spawn camp, GG state) for a best of one are quite unlucky. In addition, certain teams are also much more comfortable on select maps than others. Thus, I am not sure it's fair to have say, a sniping team go up against a brawling team on Dunes for a best of one series, (and vice versa for close range maps).

One idea we had to nullify map advantage is to do the map rolls on the fly, with participating teams choosing one map each to take out of the rotation for that match. Of course, this would involve refs having extra work to do pre-match and allow teams to be able to avoid their weakest map, which may not actually be a good thing. It really depends on how much value is placed on (sometimes) forcing teams out of their respective comfort zones.

Overall, a step in the right direction!
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: nanoduckling on March 08, 2015, 09:53:45 pm
I felt it worked very well, congrats to the Romans. The tight time limit on the SCS means it is always going to run into issues and it will always have an unavoidable random element with things like maps. I do question if Duel shouldn't be removed from the roster though, the spawns on the map are currently broken in my opinion. Giving teams a second chance against varied opponents seemed to work well.

Thanks to the organizers, refs, casters and participants, it was fun.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Kamoba on March 09, 2015, 01:00:36 am
Mostly i will echo what Assault Pig said, overall its a good system and it is nice to meet more people throughout the tournament, but it is more luck based with map rolls.
Personally I think if you remove Dunes from the map.rolls it'll fix that (jk)  8)
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Dementio on March 09, 2015, 04:48:56 am
Regarding removing maps, I think it is good that teams fly on maps that they are not good at. If they want to win, they got to figure out how to fly on that map. Thralls did Metamidion and Blenderfish on Dunes against multiple long range ships and they won their matches, so that argument that close range loses against long range on Dunes is not entirely true.

But yeah, Dawn is not a good map these days.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Kamoba on March 09, 2015, 05:52:15 am
Quote from: Dementio on March 09, 2015, 04:48:56 am
Regarding removing maps, I think it is good that teams fly on maps that they are not good at. If they want to win, they got to figure out how to fly on that map. Thralls did Metamidion and Blenderfish on Dunes against multiple long range ships and they won their matches, so that argument that close range loses against long range on Dunes is not entirely true.

But yeah, Dawn is not a good map these days.

Very true regarding removal of maps, infact often times the best way to learn what we (people in general) are not good at is to do it more often so by removing maps it slightly removes the point of the skirmish intended for people to better their skills :)
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Skrimskraw on March 09, 2015, 06:14:59 am
come on guys, scs is just a friendly place to compete or practice.

lets not ban maps because they are considered unbalanced. we will only ban maps if they have game breaking bugs.

also all the fuss about minotaur being op and pyras being shit.
am I the only one finding it hillarious that minotaur isnt that used in competitive, aswell as pyras still being able to function properly? ;) sure you wont get 5-0 with pyras, but you can still win.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: c-ponter on March 09, 2015, 06:30:41 am
The layout itself worked really well  from what I saw.
Though I think it was the first time I have seen the Gents take a loss in a rather unsportsmanlike way, and that was only because a slow mo bug bear the end of the match caused a 25sec respawn to take over 2 mins, making the loss all that much more frustrating.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Kamoba on March 09, 2015, 07:23:27 am
Yup Pyramidions still work, they just require people to make choices more in advance than they used to.
Minotaur OP? Nope, its a fun gun but not game breakingly powerful :)

Ban maps? Well I was joking when I said Ban dunes, because its my least favourite map lol

Slow Mo bug certainly hit a lot of matches my guess Watchmaker did not hit the servers with the mallet quick enough.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: Skrimskraw on March 09, 2015, 01:27:15 pm
Quote from: c-ponter on March 09, 2015, 06:30:41 am
The layout itself worked really well  from what I saw.
Though I think it was the first time I have seen the Gents take a loss in a rather unsportsmanlike way, and that was only because a slow mo bug bear the end of the match caused a 25sec respawn to take over 2 mins, making the loss all that much more frustrating.

I wouldnt call it unsportsmanlike, since if they didnt kill your last ship within time, you would have won. They were faced with either lose or win mid engagement.

Its a bug, we cannot do anything about it. We cant make indepth rules about restarting servers etc. when the timer has been running for so long. if it was the start of the match and slowmo hits we would probaly have changed to a different map if both teams preferred it.

we'll keep an eye on paritan and decide later this week if we want to take it out of the map pool.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: nanoduckling on March 09, 2015, 04:12:30 pm
I wouldn't call it unsportsmanlike either (unless there was something I missed either at the time or in the replay footage). With the exception of a couple of jokes from the Gents about the slow mo (which seemed in good humour) and a perfectly reasonable question clarifying the rules, the grumpy comments are from the Starbards saying what the Gents obviously cant. No one wanted that match to end that way, not the Gents, not the Starbards, not the refs, not the casters, not the folks watching. It was shaping up for an exciting finale, had the slow mo not happened the Gents had about a minute thirty to get a kill. Instead a server bug made the result a coin toss dependent on if a pyra died quickly enough or not.

This community is very good when it comes to sportsmanship. When a team asks for a pause it is almost never ignored, heck even in events which don't allow pauses. A couple of weeks back when we lost to a coin toss everyone was grumpy then too, Hydra making it clear they didn't want to win that way.

I didn't see anyone cast aspirations on their opposition, or the ref, or the organisers. Some folks might have some suggestions about how the rules might be adapted, although I don't think much can be done in this case for an event which has to be run quickly (except maybe gently encouraging better regression testing from Muse). Everyone gged or their equivalent and moved on. Folks were just pissed because they wanted to know how the story ended. I don't think sportsmanship is about not being grumpy when things don't work out. It's about not blaming things that are unfair on folks who aren't responsible, or are simply enforcing the rules. I continue to hold the Gents in high regard in this respect.
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: c-ponter on March 09, 2015, 06:21:39 pm
I didn't mean that the way in which they won was unsportsmanlike, they played Vetter than us that match, we made so many mistakes we didn't really deserve to wi n either way ( and I don't think we would have won that engagement in real time either) Would it have worked better if I said it's the only time if seen the Gents truly p*seed off about losing a match? ( not just upset about losing, but I know at least 4 of our members  including myself that were really annoyed)
But no I agree that the rules shouldn't be changed to accommodate for bugs like that, as you said it's nobody's fault, maybe next week we will win a match because of it? XD
Title: Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #41 (Signups for Sunday 8th March)
Post by: ZnC on March 10, 2015, 01:11:02 am
I found the BO1 Double Elim format really fun because every match is equally important now. You can no longer take it easy in the first game of a BO3 and then start playing seriously afterwards.

A competitive player should be used to losing many games in many ways, so I took the slow-mo game just like any other loss (unless you're in above RO8 and there's big prize money).

Pyras still work well on brawling maps like Paritan and Canyon; I'm starting to really like the nerf because it was too all-rounded for those maps.