Guns Of Icarus Online
Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mezhu on November 09, 2014, 02:07:37 pm
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What's in your opinion the highest skilled pilots (not your favorite ones to fly with!) currently or at least until recently involved with the game? What's their strongest and weakest points?
I remember there being a similar thread in the past but I can't seem to find it, and it should be pretty old by now so..
Anyway. I'd say, in no particular order, the following;
Thomas- I've never had the chance to play with this guy, but watching him fly lately has more often than not left me in awe. With bold yet precise and calculated movements, he can boast extreme map awareness which in several occassions has given him the supreme positioning ability and ultimately the kill in long-lasting fights. I think he's the most exciting to watch up-and-coming figure of the competitive scene. I wish he flew more frequently.
Lueosi- simply the most knowledgeable player in the game, and for some time now. He knows what works and why and almost always manages to have the upper hand in engagements. His ship awareness and tremendous experience with all roles allows him to very effectively manage his crew, turning even an average one into a well-oiled machine. When on top of an experienced crew his ship is extremely hard to kill and even harder to ignore. I'd say his only disadvantage is how he can sometimes hesitate in now-or-never situations, I'm guessing due to trying to optimize his reaction thus sometimes missing the time window.
Fiasco- although not as prominent as he used to be during thralls' peak, Fiasco still stands out. He's kind of the opposite of Lu- despite his many games with all roles he avoids micromanaging his crew and focuses solely on his piloting instead, making him very reliant on their performance and communication. His piloting style is almost instinctual and sometimes even overconfident, which can be devastating to either the enemy or his own team depending on the day and his coordination with the allied pilot. I hope we get to see him fly competitively again in the close future.
Honorable mentions to Skrim, who I feel excels more as a strategist rather than a pilot but still managed quite a few amazing maneuvers while always providing Fiasco an error-correcting mechanism for his shenanigans and also Spud, who somehow manages never to put his ship in a bad place, turning otherwise imbalanced pubs into surprisingly challenging games, even when paired with the worst crew imaginable.
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Mezhu is #1 pro mlg videogame pilot!
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I like lue ♡
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Yes! Please more ass-licking! Almost every single competitive pilot is worthy to mention here. I wonder why we don't have "best engineer" or "best gunner" Because on my best engineers list Mezhu is #1 (Not a joke. I have learned a lot of thing from you, buddy)
Anyways. From the part of the community, I had the pleasure to know, a definitely worthy to mention here is Hillerton
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Zill OP
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Spud is God.
Melon Rams OP.
Daniel <3
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Everyone knows Zill is best pilot. HamsterIV get in here and set the record straight.
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Frogger from the Ducks.
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There are so many op elite top pilots it's so hard to choose whose ego to boost.. And omgftw the skill has a droolfactor of ten and autographs are gonna be added to goio store soon.. I swear..
Tropo is fun to fly with. He does 90% of the talking so you don't really notice if you stomped or got stomped. He is so op he has a cactus as co-pilot and a cat organising.
Zuka is the pinball of goio maps. The chuck norris of steam. The ultimate sauce master and no peasant is born without knowing of the glorious zuka the great.
Captain Roy and his mighty galleon. Noone has truly played goio before having heard his silky voice in the lobby and enjoyed the warm wind of the skies on his friendly galleon that rams and hwatchas enemies like no other. Oh my what a gent.
Ariden and her squid. Nice to fly on. No anger, great flying and fun.
Crafekstertys spire. Any heavy flak gunners wet dream. Nuff said.
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Every Pyramidion pilot ever. I just can't get that thing to work and shamefully, secretely admire everybody that does.
Bloody weakest ship in the game...
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I've seen Melon McCrabernathy do some of the most amazing and some of the stupidest piloting I've ever seen.
See last weekend's R&D matches for examples.
Especially match 2.
Man equalizes and then escapes a 2v1.
Against Thralls.
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Every Pyramidion pilot ever. I just can't get that thing to work and shamefully, secretely admire everybody that does.
Bloody weakest ship in the game...
Is it bad that I am the opposite in admiring everyone who does not fly a pyramidion, that ship is just so simple and powerful. I have flown so many matches with it that I am taking every opportunity to not use it and use something I am not good at
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@ Battle Toads gotta love sarcasm on the internetz.
I love seeing thomas squid flying, it's everywhere but in your gunarcs.
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@ Battle Toads gotta love sarcasm on the internetz.
If you are referring to dementio's comment being sarcasm, reading it back again that does make it seem a little sarcastic but I have seen a lot of people who don't like to fly the pyra or can't. Its a good ship but its easy to not love when you value maneuverability, heavy guns or long/short range versatility, which the pyra lacks in some regards
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Just to clarify -
Dementio Daniels post is not sarcastic - the pyramidion is the weakest ship in the game.
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Among one of my early games as an engineer, I got to fly with an amazing Mobula pilot.
He unitized the third dimension to the fullest. He dodged rams and point-blank Hwacha shots. When a Pyramidion was on our tail, he magically switched place with it, putting us behind the Pyramidion.
I remember how the hull armor never seemed to get damaged. The pilot's skills were miraculous.
I've been trying to imitate the moves I saw that game. It's a shame that I can't remember his name.
Sir, if you are still out there, flying your Mobula among the clouds, know that you have an admirer in me. Thank you.
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OMG is this even possible! There are so many good pilots in this game it's hard to even pick!
Agree with Geo on what he said about Tropo and Castus 100%. There is never a time I don't have fun while flying under them.
I've never flown under Melon but darn he scares me when I'm playing against him.
No one can beat Richard LeMoon when it comes to his mobula "Hades Funhouse"! I've never seen anyone fly a mobula as well as Richard can!
Jub Jub and Lazy Panda's (even though they are probably the most opposite co-pilots ever) they work together in such a close proximity always communicating with each other. There is a reason the Predtorions (never get this spelling right) do so well.
Angry Walnuts - quiet, stays under the radar, stealthy and deadly! He flies the "Wolf Among Sheep" His double carro pyra is often laughed at until you go up against it. Most pilots fly the double carro like a meta but not him. He has his own flying style for this build and it shows. It takes down balloons and components with ease and then he rams them into a pulp with so much intensity.
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Geo? ???
Meanwhile must mention Mattisamo most magnificient Mobula master magician.
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Geo? ???
Meanwhile must mention Mattisamo most magnificient Mobula master magician.
My most apologies Genozide! I saw Geo's name at the top of the page and it must of stayed in my mind and it's far to late at night and for some reason it seems like I can't modify my post to correct that.
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Everyone knows Zill is best pilot. HamsterIV get in here and set the record straight.
Zill has an aura of fear about him for me because he was most active when I was learning the game. Like the 80 lb pitbull who backs off from a 10 lb cat that smacked manners in to him as a puppy, my fear/respect of Zill comes from early traumas. He is a mighty fine pilot, and one of the best escape artists I have flown against. I don't play competitive so I can't say who is the best pilot with any accuracy.
Captaining is more than just piloting. There is planning, tactics, leadership, coordination, map knowledge, in addition to raw ship handling skill. Even if Zill is the best pilot he may not be the best Captain.
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I've seen Spud Nick win matches with the most godawful crews with the most godawful loadouts.
Spud for President.
Also, of course Clan Clan boasts some pretty awesome pilots that I always have a wonderful time flying with -- Dutch Vanya, Ruairi, Nietzsche's Mustache, Infinity Omelette, Lochnagar, Zirilfer, Tix Plicky....
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I'm very partial to the Bard founder, DJ Tipz n Trix and his junker. It's one of the best junkers I've flown on, and Tipz is a lovely pilot and a spectacular captain. He taught me everything I knew at the beginning and him and the former [MUS] were the reason I started playing this game as often as I do. Even though he's been eaten by Dota 2, his spirit lives on.
Castus is super rad too. I love crewing on any one of his ships any time I have the opportunity
AngyWalnuts' double carro RAS Wolf Among Sheep is very very very very scary.
Speaking of scary pyras, Montucky's Moose on the Loose always gives me a challenge. I love allying with it and hate going up against it.
Pony's Tears' Galleon, Confetti, is always great. I love seeing people get all bothered by losing to it on a Crazy King game
Jacob was the first dev I ever flew with and had such a great time. I was super new to the game and afterwards I told all my friends I flew with a dev and how cool he was :D
Spud Nick turns any match into a good time. Whether crewing, allying, or flying against him, it's always a blast
Nietzsche is great. He's a terrific pilot and runs some really interesting builds. Never had a bad time on a Nietzsche ship, even when we lose
Fiasco Total from the Thralls was always fun. His ship was probably the first ship I was really scared of screwing up on while I was still new :P Also, I met Blacky Sabbath on a Fiasco boat :D
And Daniel because duh
Really, I just love everybody :D
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Top pilots are imo
Tropo (of course)
Dementio,
Lueosi,
Fiasco Total,
Crafeksterty,
Skrimskraw,
Frogger,
nhbearit,
Mr. Lambert,
Sammy BT,
Ariden,
Rear Admiral Zill,
Thomas,
Lazypandas,
Jub jub,
Riggato,
Shinkurex,
Spud nick,
Melon,
Que fox p,
Redria,
Puppy Fur,
Hamster IV,
Cassiopeia,
Zuka,
Janeway,
Richard Le moon.
so many its hard to think of them all.
Talking about top pilots is interesting to me due to its inherent subjectivity (how many good matches you've played with and against a captain)and confirmation bias. I usually scratch it up to all top pilots being contenders and putting rankings down to clan performance. That being said many captains I've listed here don't play competitive anymore so that's not a definitive metric. So many great memories just writing this list :)
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Well, I have no ranking of who is being top, but honestly? I really admire flying with LeonXross as captain. This guy is damn hilarious. And, so far I was flying with him, he is good pilot as well.
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I think Frogger deserves being in like top-5 or something
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top 5 competitive pilots:
1. Fiasco:
My co-pilot, but not only respected as such. He has an amazing ability to always manage to survive in harsh engagements, aswell as setting up flanks when needed. Fiasco is just top notch pilot. His inability to proper micromanage his crew is not a problem when either Mezhu or myself have been keeping an eye on it. Fiasco is maybe 50% of Thralls success in the past, whereas engineering, other pilot and gunners all hold the rest of the 50% together.
2. Lueosi:
Lueosi have been under severe critique from me for a long time now. one of the reasons for this is that he was both a competitor and a superior pilot than myself, but he is also a leader meaning that my mindset rarely will work with his flying together. That said he is an amazing pilot who have managed to pull off the best metamidion, one of the best goldfishes and the best galleon I have seen in this game. A lot of credit should go out to his crew for outstanding engineering and gunning, but they would not be able to function that well if it wasnt lueosi telling them what to do. His focus on his own ship often means that his focus on controlling the team is lacking, which have led to some disorganisation on the team as a whole, but when things run smoothly he is the best in the game.
3. Thomas:
Thomas is a newcomer on my list. For a long time I did not pay much attention to him or even SPQR as a team due to the double pyramidion picks. I feel like a pilot cannot be on a top 5 if all he does is fly one ship well. Thomas and the rest of SPQR have however gone to newer ships and are doing the very very very well. This is some of the best squid piloting I have seen, and he seems to have an overview of how to control enemy movement, or atleast follow it to his own advantage. I have crewed for him a couple of times, and he is a pilot with high expectations and knows exactly what he needs. SPQR engies must be very well disciplined to pull off the repair cycles on his ships.
4. Frogger:
I never had the chance to play vs Frogger properly, I was always away from home when Thralls faced off vs the notorious mandarins. However it cannot be ignored that the mandarins double junker is most likely the most impressive thing this game have seen competitive. add to that a sense of formation flying and map use, and you have an unbeatable team.
5. melon:
I will probaly have a lot of people disagree with me here, maybe even fox :p
The reason why is that melon is an uncontrollable pilot. as a co-captain it can often be frustrating to see him fly into an obvious trap. But there is a reason for him being on my list. Melon is a good pilot with good maneuverbility. He is still inexperienced as opposed to the others on my list, but with time he might rise higher on the list. He is super fun to fly with, and pulls off impressive things with mobility ships. Its a bit sad to see him on a pyramidion, but he can fly it proper.
That said, this is my all time list. you will see a lack of older pilots which is due to my opinion that the skill level is much much higher today, than it was a year ago. I would even have loved to put myself in, but truth be told I am horribly outskilled as a competitive pilot these days. I belong to an older school now and its going to be interesting to see what comes out of the next "generation".
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I'll have to jump in here and put in a plug for Squash and Captain Smollett. Though they've both been out of the game for a while now, my memories of playing against them in RAFT vs Paddling games still represent the most intense, challenging, and fun experiences I ever had in competitive Icarus, and managing to beat the Paddling in Cogs S2 is the accomplishment of which I am most proud, perhaps even beyond my time with the Mandarins. The sheer coordination and accuracy of the Lucky Duck's long range fire was truly a thing of terror, the equal of which I never again experienced after the Paddling's retirement. Squash and Smollett were, in my opinion, the greatest strategic minds Icarus has seen, and the Paddling was its first and likely best uber-team. They deserve to be mentioned here.
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I don't actually understand the point of this topic.
I've seen many great pilots, but the main thing about them, what make them good for you as a crew - is how you can cooperate with them. The good captain, for what I think, is the one you're having fun with.
For example, Mezhu is a great player, but I don't like him as a person and I hardly make a functioning crew with him. My beloved captain then is kinda noobish, but I have great fun with her.
This is my thoughts. I know I understood everything wrong, but I wanted to tell this.
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Please close this thread before my head gets too big. My party Hat wont fit anymore.
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Please close this thread before my head gets too big. My party Hat wont fit anymore.
Don't worry about how big your head gets. I am sure you will find a way to balloon block with it.
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I don't actually understand the point of this topic.
I've seen many great pilots, but the main thing about them, what make them good for you as a crew - is how you can cooperate with them. The good captain, for what I think, is the one you're having fun with.
For example, Mezhu is a great player, but I don't like him as a person and I hardly make a functioning crew with him. My beloved captain then is kinda noobish, but I have great fun with her.
This is my thoughts. I know I understood everything wrong, but I wanted to tell this.
Archi Rook...this is just a fun thread and a way for people to give "shout outs" if you will. There are actually a lot of random fun threads that try to do things other than complain about "bugs" or "what should be fixed". There are TONS of amazing pilots from noobish as you say to veterans of 2 years. Every person will fly better with certain pilots and not well with others regardless of how good they are as a pilot. So just give some shout if you'd like!
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For example, Mezhu is a great player, but I don't like him as a person and I hardly make a functioning crew with him. My beloved captain then is kinda noobish, but I have great fun with her.
This is my thoughts. I know I understood everything wrong, but I wanted to tell this.
I personally prefer players who are both little bit scandalous AND skilled. Those "flawless reputation" guys are sooo boooring. If some of us weren't considered assholes, the forum would be empty.
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Archi Rook...this is just a fun thread and a way for people to give "shout outs" if you will.
Don't worry, I constantly miss a joke.
So just give some shout if you'd like!
I would, if I wasn't so bad at remembering names %)
I personally prefer players who are both little bit scandalous AND skilled. Those "flawless reputation" guys are sooo boooring. If some of us weren't considered assholes, the forum would be empty.
I think this is a matter of a personal taste. I just had enough of "i am the boss so shut up idiot" and "aircraft is a serious business" on my actual job, I think %)
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Spud Without a doubt. King of the hill Labyrinth, he had an avarage skilled crew but a terrible ally who was lost on the map, me and my ally had the point the whole game until 550 points, then Spud pops up like a cork from a bottle and Hwacha's my butt! No enginers on my metamidion, he stays behind and finished us off pretty swiftly while our engineer works on trying to fix anything, our ally comes behind spud and whoosh! he's almost on the floor and going under me, ally rams me out of arc and spud gets away, we're both too far from the point and by now its about 570, Spud captures point and comes behind us, disabling both and keeping us all busy on the repairs he drops my ally into spawn counter, we hang on by a thread until the reload and goto respawn...
While we respawn spud somehow manages to direct his ally to the point! (Who had been at the edge of the map the whole time till this point!)
we drop the ally, pop, Spuds behind us, and we're floating away from the point as he sits calmly capturing it, final score, Spud wins 600 we lost 580....
Most impressive round I've seen any one man turn around!
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I'll have to jump in here and put in a plug for Squash and Captain Smollett. Though they've both been out of the game for a while now, my memories of playing against them in RAFT vs Paddling games still represent the most intense, challenging, and fun experiences I ever had in competitive Icarus, and managing to beat the Paddling in Cogs S2 is the accomplishment of which I am most proud, perhaps even beyond my time with the Mandarins. The sheer coordination and accuracy of the Lucky Duck's long range fire was truly a thing of terror, the equal of which I never again experienced after the Paddling's retirement. Squash and Smollett were, in my opinion, the greatest strategic minds Icarus has seen, and the Paddling was its first and likely best uber-team. They deserve to be mentioned here.
Until The dancing feather and the corkscrew came in to wreck mama duck and baby duck. Good times.
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Most impressive round I've seen any one man turn around!
(G-Man's creepy voice) "The right man in the wrong place can make all the diff-erence in the world..."
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I could talk all day about how I would fly on a ship with a SAC member as captain, any day of the week. I started idolizing Cactus, Lambert, and Tropo's piloting skills since my early days of GoIO (main reason why I was personally invested in trying to join their ranks).
However, I'll leave that biased opinion out of this list:
Spud Nick scares the balls off of me. Seriously. Unless I have a lobby of skilled players on my team, I rarely stick around X_X
Jub Jub is one of my favorite pilots to try to test my skills against (I usually lose, though lol)
actually, a handful of pilots from SPQR really make me feel like I'm back in my Novice days. Very humbling learning experiences.
LeMoon is very high up there on my list of pilots that I always flock to be on their ship. Always a fun pilot.
Mr. Trickery is always a delightful pilot to fly under.
Rucin is new to the game, and is on my list because they are doing an excellent job of learning the ropes. Really putting in an effort to support gun-arcs and stay away from Galleon broadsides xD
Same goes to FreedomSoul.
I will leave a lot of matches or ships if the captain seems extremely uneducated on game mechanics, but I'll jump on those two Pilot's ships in a heartbeat.
I love new pilots that show potential. It's like watching the next generation of 45's that get tossed on this list, while they are still growing and learning and getting better. Almost like reading a really good book, and watching the plot start to unfold and take shape... That's a learning experience for me, all on it's own. Very magnificent, in my opinion.
EDIT: Derpy Squid is my favorite co-pilot for casual gameplay. He's very inexperienced with it, and has this sort of, timid piloting style. It literally brings out the best in me. My brain registers the match as "if I don't carry, and IDDQD myself into godmode, we will lose." He isn't terribad or anything, but something just clicks, and I suddenly learn how to pilot, and we do an amazing job staying together and bringing the pain.
One of my personal favorites to fly under, as well. Calm, perceptive, and eager to fly moar good.
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Garsh darn it! Im not so trendy atm because of my lack of secure net.
But thanks for the mentions!!!
I like lueosis piloting, i want to see him not fly a pyra though. CUS I KNOW YOU CAN DO CRAZY SHIT MAAAN.
Skrim was always an inspiration being beside him constantly.
Im not aware of who can fly a proper squid or not, but anyone willing to take their time on the squid is top on my books. Fiasco, i know you can actualy do it
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Lueosi recently I had the privilege of Leuosi joining a match on our team after our ally deserted us, he joined a game where we was 2v1 for about five minutes on someone else's squid, not his loadout, and within moments takes out the one giving us ranged harassment, the. Together we take out the one close guns!
Keeping in mind how exhausted we all were from survival fighting for five minutes it was a truly epic moment to be saved by such a renowned player! Finishing score 5-0!
Second match we was pitted against our saviour, he had a competent ally now and we had a metamidion that lacked in the shooting department, things were looking bad! We honestly thought we were done for! So we took Hades Artemis and kept our attention to threats and defending ally... All I can say is I have never seen a squid flown so tactically, but we gave them what for! :) truly an exhuasting but rewarding game! May fair winds meet this man and his crew in the future!
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current top 3 pilots in competitive play:
1. Lueosi
He still shows ability to keep his team at the top spot. Working with different ships than metamidion more often and it pays off. His goldfish is almost at the same level as fiascos which is still enough to make it dangerous.
2. JubJub
The increase in different ships for Praetorians is also paying off. Jubjub is showing an immense increase in skill level as a pilot. When watching games with jubjub look out for the mindgames he plays in engagements, he makes maneuvre tricks seem like an easy game.
3. Spud nick
Spud nick enters my list of top pilots just leaping over melon. The reason for this is that cake as a team is showing an incredible eye for positioning and higher tactics than other teams. Although cake wont beat every team 5-0 they still show high skill level. Spud nick I feel is the best pilot on the cake team due to his experience and understanding of guns and positioning.
whats to look for in the future?
If you are into watching competitive games I suggest that you watch SCS and keep and eye on the teams mentioned above aswell as Wings of Daedalus who are improving their playstyle by watching old streams, specificly using same builds and tactics as thralls did, aswell as taking inspiration from the mandarins. WoD only lacks the experience of old veteran pilots, but Heldigris is doing a good job at learning, so hopefully WoD will have a spot on the list some time :)
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What makes some pilots definitively better than others? Is this just about competitive matches? Doesn't every experienced pilot perform amazing feats sometimes, and screw up other times? So far the most consistent mentions have been Lue and Spud, who have quite simply played the most matches out of anyone. What really makes someone a top pilot?
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I may be 150% biased here, but Sammy <3
Really I have never expierenced such advanced control over stress situations even with Lue. And since everyone flies carronades now, junker is always a stress situation for entire match. Everything is always red, everything is always not chemed, and you still manage to keep DPS output cause he has clearest view on right prioritising, never giving up in the worst fuck-ups (tomato flies to some R&D finals participants).
Really after Sammy or/and Frogger all other pilots seem to be lazy skrubs who just stay on helm doing nothing. Once again, I am 300% biased.
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What makes some pilots definitively better than others? Is this just about competitive matches? Doesn't every experienced pilot perform amazing feats sometimes, and screw up other times? So far the most consistent mentions have been Lue and Spud, who have quite simply played the most matches out of anyone. What really makes someone a top pilot?
I think it's less about the feats performed and more about the control led over the larger area of the battle field.. :)
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:'(
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What makes some pilots definitively better than others? Is this just about competitive matches? Doesn't every experienced pilot perform amazing feats sometimes, and screw up other times? So far the most consistent mentions have been Lue and Spud, who have quite simply played the most matches out of anyone. What really makes someone a top pilot?
i dont play many pubs, so i dont get around the community as a whole, but i watch a lot of goio competitive due to also organizing it, so that is where i base my top list on. besides i also think competitive play shows skill as opposed to non competitive.
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When I go to pubs, people fly on my ship and hate me because i "fly bad" well you better do what you are told, dont complain and fix the thing i told you to fix and follow orders because clearly you are disabling my ability to fly good.
Ofcourse my ship is useless when you miss shots
Ofcourse my ship cant turn when the side engines havent seen the light of repairs in a while
Ofcourse were gonna die because you tought about abandoning your gun to repair was a better idea
Ofcourse were gonna die because you tought about glueing yourself to a gun when you clearly heard me for you to repair
Dont play pub skrim D:
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When I go to pubs, people fly on my ship and hate me because i "fly bad" well you better do what you are told, dont complain and fix the thing i told you to fix and follow orders because clearly you are disabling my ability to fly good.
Ofcourse my ship is useless when you miss shots
Ofcourse my ship cant turn when the side engines havent seen the light of repairs in a while
Ofcourse were gonna die because you tought about abandoning your gun to repair was a better idea
Ofcourse were gonna die because you tought about glueing yourself to a gun when you clearly heard me for you to repair
Dont play pub skrim D:
Oh man this feel.
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-Lue
-Danial
-Jub Jub
-Thomas
-Pandas
-Fiasco
-Sammy
-Frogger
-Squash
-Smollet
I have a lot of respect for the players listed above. I have learned a lot about the game and how to be a better pilot by watching all of them fly.
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If no one ever gives new players a chance how do they get any good? How would any of us have gotten where we are now? This game has enough problems as it is without all the hatred for new 'pubbies' and new players.
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-Danial
Who is dat.
If no one ever gives new players a chance how do they get any good? How would any of us have gotten where we are now? This game has enough problems as it is without all the hatred for new 'pubbies' and new players.
When I get a new player on my ship or an not as experienced ally pilot I watch how they perform and try to give them tips. The kind of new player described by crafek is the stubborn kind that does not accept tipps of any kind. Of course, if we had been like that we would never have ended up where we are now.
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What makes some pilots definitively better than others? Is this just about competitive matches? Doesn't every experienced pilot perform amazing feats sometimes, and screw up other times? So far the most consistent mentions have been Lue and Spud, who have quite simply played the most matches out of anyone. What really makes someone a top pilot?
i dont play many pubs, so i dont get around the community as a whole, but i watch a lot of goio competitive due to also organizing it, so that is where i base my top list on. besides i also think competitive play shows skill as opposed to non competitive.
Competitive play could never illuminate the entire gamut of a person's skills. You're simply looking at a single facet of their qualities through one particular lens. You answered the question as best as you could using your collected experience, and I am by no means refuting your opinion. However, to claim that "competitive play shows skill as opposed to non competitive" is a fallacy.
In the competitive scene you have highly experienced pilots that work together and are in turn supported by an extremely experienced crew. Competitive is a fantastic show of strategy, coordination, and tactics. But when I watch competitive, I see an individual's skill level being overshadowed by the collective skills of the team. I'm not saying that a pilot's skills aren't critical, indeed they are, but they are not as predominant when the gunner makes every shot, and when the engineers have their cycles immaculately timed, and when a pilot's ally is perfectly coordinated.
I believe wholeheartedly that incredible skill can be found in the non-competitive scene. In the non-competitive scene a pilot will not always have their ideal crew or ally. They might be facing clans on a pubstomp or other pilots who are vastly more experienced than they are; they could be handicapped by AI, inexperienced team members, and in worse cases trolls. But some pilots in the non-competitive scene can and have pulled phenomenal victories from the jaws of these insurmountable odds. Non-competitive can sometimes lack the intense teamwork of competitive, but I believe that there is a greater chance to see the qualities of an individual pilot when all they have to support them is their own raw ability.
I will not name anyone, but I have observed many of the top competitive pilots, even the ones frequently mentioned on this discussion, crumble when they didn't have the well oiled machine of their competitive team supporting them. I'm not saying that they are undeserving of their recognition, all I am trying to highlight is that there is more to an person's skill than just their performance in the competitive or non-competitive scene. There are just too many facets to the vast structure of "skill" to see the compete picture of an individual's true abilities.
Competitive is a good place to see one facet of a pilot's skills, non-competitive is another good place. Only when we can observe that same person operate under a vast variety of conditions can we ever hope to have a more complete understanding of their talents and how they compare with others.
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competitive is a collective effort, but there are no denying that a good crew with a lesser skilled pilot will lose to a better skilled pilot with a good crew. Sorry to say it but competitive is the only place to rank pilots. I understand the thought of taking distance to ranking people, but I just feel like these players are the current best pilot in competitive. There are a lot of good pilots with patience in pubs and I respect them, but its not for me. In my 2 years with this game I have only been really impressed by competitive play. Sure you can do some crazy shit in pubs, but the general level is so low compared. I can go into a pub game and beat some other 5-0 with a mobula, but I cant do that vs a competitive team, so ofcourse Im going to put more focus on pilots that take part of the competitive scene.
If there are any good pilots in pubs all i can say is sign up for our SCS event and show what you've got ;)
Jubjub entered my top 3 for one specific reason, last week he changed up his playstyle to more mobility and outsmarting other players, with a crew that wasnt SPQR tagged. That to me is impressive to make 3 people work together on that level.
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"Sorry to say it but competitive is the only place to rank pilots." - Skrim this is subjective, and Mezhu didn't really define in detail the 'skill' criterion here. Your way of ranking pilots is fine, but there is no 'right' way to do it. And Patched is correct, your method might well be superior for you (which is fine, if you learn all you want to about a pilot from watching competitive then no one can take that from you), but it is not comprehensive. Being able to position a ship so a novice crew can operate on it is a different skill to positioning it to maximize what you get out of an experienced crew, and if I'm co-captaining with a pilot in a pub game that is one of the skills I like to know they have. That is a positive for them by my criterion, I cant learn about it watching competitive matches. There are lots of other pilot skills that you wont see from the best players in a competitive match because they have support they can rely on.
Not sure I agree with Patched that non-competitive is a better place for seeing individual pilot skills though, but it depends on the skill you are looking for. For me I weight the competitive stuff highly, in part because I've only flown with the big names a few times and it is hard to get a feel from that and also in part because my standards are similar to Skrim's, I want to see what people can do when they are working with the best material. I also weight effective co-ordination, strategy and map usage highly. My pick is therefore Frogger.
Of course some of these are blending into captain skills (or even admiral skills) rather than pilot skills, but I think at higher skill levels captain and pilot are hard to separate.
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How to rank people you don't know, without any videos of them playing?
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Duckling has a point, I have to fly much differently when I've got an inexperienced crew versus having an experienced crew.
In pubs at least, the ability to work with and guide new players is an important captain skill.
Anyways I've only really flown against captian smollet. He gave me a run for my money in a twin-blenderfish fight.
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All I know is that I fly like an asshole when I'm in my munker. Ally in the way? Mines. Ally in the way constantly? Loch mines. Trolls with no mods around, Report and then corrective punishment by mining. It teaches them to 'Mine' Their own business. Trolls on your team? Truce with enemies and then take joy in dismembering them with mines and galleon squats.. Worked better in the lobbies, however. I'm a horrible person, alright. When I fly my squid, the engineers either scream at me, jump ship, or sit in the cargo hold rocking back and forth, crying because of how much moonshine's being used. It traumatizes the weaker-hearted engineers. Enemy in pursuit? Ink them. In the face. Ally ramming you? Ink in their faces, with maybe a mine or two thrown in for good measure, not to mention hilarity. Getting a kill by killing your ally/allies? "ITS NOT MY FAULT THAT THEY RAMMED INTO MY UNSUSPICIOUSLY CLOSE AND CONVENIENTLY PLACED, JUST FIRED MINE!!"
Mines in general? Maniacal laughter, followed up by a steady dose of mine puns, of the most deviously horrible variety.
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If a good pilot crumbles in pub because he has random pub crew, that just means his crew wasnt good enough to support it.
Like, i havent seen arguments that are FOR skill in pub games versus skill in competetive. There are more "facets" that go against why youre not that good if youre playing pub, versus facets of why youre not that good if youre playing competetive.
In pubs, you can get all sorts of crap happening. Oh that is understandable because your crews skill isnt that good. But then you should go for something easy... right? Well thats when things get neglectant. Why should i jump on a pyramideon when i wanna play spire? I can give best instructions, best easiest build on the spire yett they wont follow because, well maybe a crew doesnt talk/listen, maybe one crew is just slow. One crew never saw this ship... etc.
There is too many reasons of why Pub doesnt exactly allow skill. And that applies for the other team! (and your ally)
Imagine you have good pub crew, maybe one of them is from your own clan so your pretty sure of your ship well enough to handle pub games very well.
But now apply what i said about pub games to the enemy ships. THEY may have some really bad crew, THEY may end up having an awesome pilot but shit crew. This is the "facets" that pub has. There is just too many to example true skill across all ships in a match all togheter.
Competetive is the exact opposite.
Imagine having perfect players, enemy ship is perfect your crew is perfect. You the pilot is the only human. Now youl see exactly how good or bad you are.
But were all not perfect, were all human. Meaning we can be extremely good but still have some mistakes like chem cycle, miss prediction, miss timing etc.
Ther are just much less faults or "facets" that take away of showing skill.
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If you think pilots that solely play pubs are comparable in terms of skill with the top competitive ones you're delusional.
I'm cool too
Also, how's that anyhow related to the thread?
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I agree with Crafek. It's very rare to see balanced pub games. Thing is, one single player can reduce ship effectiveness down to 50% or 25% or even lower in some cases if they are not doing their job, which means your ship is almost useless, which means you're pretty much a dead weight on your ally. Plus how many people play seriously in pub matches? I mean I usually don't mess around exactly, but I'm not playing seriously either. I am usually quite aggressive and sometimes engage even if i think it's not best idea or just do stupid stuff and not being very careful. And i don't expect my crew to do perform 100% of their ability and i won't yell at them if chem cycle or buff is missing. It's a pug game ffs.
And I don't agree with statements like "If pilot is skilled he can survive and win with bad crew" or whatever. How? How would you dodge or escape if your engineer doesn't repair engines for example? If everyone in match is experienced and you're the only one with one unexperienced engineer, it will show. Yes, you can still will, but you would still be at big disadvantage. Would you play competitive match with one unexperienced crew member and call it fair game?
In competitive you have your crew, you trust them, everyone knows what to do, what is their job, so it's just about little things that separate good teams from great. That's skill. Everyone knows how to repair there or how to shoot, it's just someone can shoot a bit better than other guy, which simply means he's more skilled.
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I know it's all good fun to stroke each other's egos and all. But I just don't see very impressive piloting in competitive matches. I see the crews performing at much higher levels. However most pilots make just as many stupid mistakes. Like backing into walls... does no one look behind them when they reverse? This one example has cost plenty of competitive matches. (Other people are much better at expressing their points though.)
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The whole nature of this topic is based upon the deeply personal nature of our opinions. We could never all agree on an accurate measure of a person's abilities or skill. Neither am I debating the need for a topic like this, I find these discussions amusing at best. However, I am debating Skrimskraw's and Crafeksterty's claims that "competitive is the only place to rank pilots" or "pub doesnt exactly allow skill".
Skrimskaw, you're absolutely entitled to your own opinions on who you regard as the "best pilot". You're also entitled to form that opinion from whatever source you deem as valuable to you. In no way am I trying to take those ideas away from you. But by assuming that because a pilot only plays in public games is somehow inferior to a pilot who plays in competitive games I would say that the only person you're limiting is yourself.
Crafeksterty, there are indeed too many variables to perfectly evaluate a person's "skill". But this idea is not solely for the public scene but it applies for the entire game of 'Guns of Icarus'. It is impossible to fully comprehend the entirety of a person's skill due to the inherent imbalance of the game at its core. The asymmetrical design, maps, spawn locations, variable cloud cover, dust storms, winds, ships, weapon loadouts, gunner ammo types, captain tools, engineer tools, engineers, gunners, pilots, etc, all of these factors introduce "too many" variables to ever accurately measure a person's abilities. Even in the competitive circuit this holds true. And all of this without ever needing to assess the human element that is also wildly open to a barrage of inconsistencies.
Like any debate about who is the best "x" throughout history there are too many variables to ever definitively know.
I will admit that in my own personal opinion I value the abilities needed to operate in the public theatre more than the strategy of the competitive stage simply because I operate more in the public sphere. Going back to what nanoduckling said, "it depends on the skill you are looking for". In a pub game there are just some high level competitive players that I would not want as an ally because I know that they cannot handle the wild inconsistencies of a pub game. But in a competitive game they would be the ones I would want beside me. This idea works in reverse for pub pilots too.
For me personally, the measure of a captain's, pilot's, engineer's, or gunner's abilities is not based on how they can perform in the perfect conditions but instead how they perform in the imbalanced conditions. Can they pull a victory from almost certain defeat? Can they stand under the pressure of unfair odds? In life you will never have a balanced fight or war. There will always be imbalance in favour of one side. For me, what I value is the ability to recognise the imbalance and to use all the resources available to you to overcome those unfair odds.
I watched one game once, where a goldfish with an average level pilot and a mobula with a low level pilot faced off against a pyramidion with a high level pilot and a galleon with an average level pilot. At first the goldfish and mobula were ripped to shreds as the pyramidion and galleon tore through them over and over. The mobula always out of position and the goldfish's crew unable to handle the engineering strains put on them. The match was 0-4 in favour of the pyramidion and galleon but I watched as the pilots on the goldfish and mobula started to close up the weaknesses in their game. They rallied their novice crews, forging them into barely functioning units. They assessed their opponents and themselves and then reengaged on their own terms. I watched this for 40 minutes as they clawed their way back from a 0-4 situation and pulled a 5-4 victory from a battle that should have been finished in 6 minutes. You could never convince me that this wasn't a match of skill or ability simply because it was fought in a public arena.
The defining nature of public games for me is the ability to create victory from nothing.
ps. "If a good pilot crumbles in pub because he has random pub crew, that just means his crew wasnt good enough to support it." Crafeksterty, this is wrong because it is based on the illogical idea that somehow a "good pilot" is immune to error.
ps. "If you think pilots that solely play pubs are comparable in terms of skill with the top competitive ones you're delusional." Mezhu, if someone practiced their skills in public games it may mean that statistically they will be on average not as good as competitive players, but it doesn't mean that such a feat is impossible.
ps. Stop writing so many replies! I can barely keep up with all the comments!
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I know pubs can be a place of finding talents, most of my team was recruited through random pub games. I am not denying that you can find talented pilots in pub games, but in the end the only way to rank people is through competitive play. My list is basicly a shoutout to good pilots that deserve recognition for what they have achieved.
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"in the end the only way to rank people is through competitive play" - Skrim, no matter how many times you say this it still wont be true unless you qualify the statement to make it subjective. There is no 'only way' when it comes to subjective preferences. I don't know how else to explain it to you. No one is criticizing your list, folks are just pointing out there are other ways to make lists than yours.
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I find that and the explenation difficult to grasp. I can understand there can be a hardboil play going on in pubs, but it wont match up to what competetive will offer.
This is my belief:
When a pilot that is extremely good in pub wants to fly competetively for the first time, the odds are against him versus an allready set competetive team.
When this pilot continues competetive he will become better and he will come out stronger in pub play.
Regarding Patched Wizard:
"If a good pilot crumbles in pub because he has random pub crew, that just means his crew wasnt good enough to support it." Crafeksterty, this is wrong because it is based on the illogical idea that somehow a "good pilot" is immune to error.
Not it at all. You just mentioned the opposite. Im saying that the pilot cant do much if the crew dont do their thing. If a good pilot has bad crew, he cant do his thing. If a good pilot has good crew =/= immune to error, it just means he can now make the ship perform well. If he does errors thats an error by the pilot. But thats a complete different thing. Im talking about how the ship cannot do what the pilot intended the ship to do with crew who cant make that happen. If the pilot is succesfull or not is a story afterwards.
And the other thing was the comparisement of inconsistencies. Not just inconcistencies.
There will be more inconsistencies in pub games than there will be in competetive. Weve all seen random stuff happen in competetive, but there is so much more inconsistencies in pub. So much that its just not worth measuring or properly spectate. There is a better reason to stream competive matches versus Pub matches because what is going on is much more obviously translated and understandable than pub matches where the Variables go beyond just game elements but also heavily on player gameplay discrepencies. Like using a mallet on rebuilding...
Why would i honour myself for killing a ship that has an engie that does that?!
I dont GG on 5-0 because im afraid of the other team leaving. I just wanna play but i seem to beat them down like crazy. Then they leave. What if my crew leaves, oh shit now i have to expect someone worse than the previous crew that cant listen or dont know what a heavy weapon is. Now im at the other end of 5-0.
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It's too bad that this tiny insignificant competitive scene is the only place where people know how to play the game. I always thought there were some great matches in the community. But what would a casual like me know. Maybe after another 2000 hours i can finally learn how to play the guns of icarus!
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It's too bad that this tiny insignificant competitive scene is the only place where people know how to play the game. I always thought there were some great matches in the community. But what would a casual like me know. Maybe after another 2000 hours i can finally learn how to play the guns of icarus!
Lol, I'm sorry, but at this point you just seem miserable. Are you upset that you weren't mentioned as one of the big boys?
No one said pug players can't perform, they only said competitive matches provide better grounding from where you can better observe and notice someone's skill.
It's good if you have great matches yourself, I unfortunately can't say same for myself. I rarely have good, challenging and balanced match. It's 5:0 80% of the time. Some of those you're on winning side, some on losing and neither is fun.
In any case, I don't know anyone that would do his 100% in pug game, so therefore how do you evaluate such player and how skilled he is?
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It's too bad that this tiny insignificant competitive scene is the only place where people know how to play the game. I always thought there were some great matches in the community. But what would a casual like me know. Maybe after another 2000 hours i can finally learn how to play the guns of icarus!
Lol, I'm sorry, but at this point you just seem miserable. Are you upset that you weren't mentioned as one of the big boys?
No one said pug players can't perform, they only said competitive matches provide better grounding from where you can better observe and notice someone's skill.
It's good if you have great matches yourself, I unfortunately can't say same for myself. I rarely have good, challenging and balanced match. It's 5:0 80% of the time. Some of those you're on winning side, some on losing and neither is fun.
In any case, I don't know anyone that would do his 100% in pug game, so therefore how do you evaluate such player and how skilled he is?
I'm pretty sure i would have the same bitter opinion about this game if i had been mentioned. Why would I not do my 100% in pub games though? Am i supposed to half-ass it for thousands of matches? Overall I really just want people to realize how silly the ego stroking is in this game. But you guys are going to keep doing your thing, and hopefully the spirit of the community outside of competition stays alive too. In the end i'm clearly looking for a different experience than you people.
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I feel it's simply preposterous to say there aren't any really good players outside of competitive, and we all know it. It's hard to get into the scene unless you're A) in a clan or B) know a lot of people.
But one of Patched's previous points about pilots: I, too, have seen great pilots with good crews get trounced in a perfectly balanced match, because they don't have their regular team. I feel a lot of players can't work outside of their own group. I don't know if that's inherently a fault, but it is something that totally happens.
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Dont know what your point is as you didnt point it out.
Were not talking about playing pub games, were talking about the fair served difficulty coming from pub or competetive that makes a player able to asses and play better.
Does pub have that?
Does competetive have that?
Why would I not do my 100% in pub games though? Am i supposed to half-ass it for thousands of matches?
You cant 100%. Not all the time. Because from my argument, you will rely on your crew. Which in pub games offer players that dont even want to learn.
Lets not forget the enemies side in all things. Was it that honourable killing a half surrendered team?
And why when perhaps the enemy team doesnt give 100%... or your ally.
And i dont know what the hell you mean by the "ego stroking" that you think is going on. Because like i said, you didnt point it out and you were ironicaly and ended up as a hypocrit
Maybe after another 2000 hours i can finally learn how to play the guns of icarus!
Cool! 2000 hours! You were here before Day 1! Youre older than me! But doesnt seem wiser
I feel a lot of players can't work outside of their own group. I don't know if that's inherently a fault, but it is something that totally happens.
That is so true with me. Ive had really good pub crew that managed to keep up with my spire but i really couldnt go beyond X2Gat-hwacha-Mortar.
I cant play around with other builds and practice them, which my clan crew would allow me because they could keep up.
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1: You can always try 100%, and if everyone did that pub games would be perfect, not the case but it's a nice sentiment anyway.
2: I just use the amount of steam hours i have as a reason for my passionate opinions.
2.5: This threads entire purpose is ego-stroking.
3: Clearly you don't play the game for the exact same social experience as I. That is all.
Patched Wizard is much better at writing down his points coherently. But if you really can't grasp why all this frustrates me, then i'll get started on my essay.
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Hey, in my opinion the top pilots are, Spud Nick, GoldenGlade and more that my tired and unwell brain is struggling to come up with.
We should leave this thread for those who we think is a good pilot by our standard and celebrate that instead of debating whose method of judging who is the top pilot. Could open a new thread if you guys want to see if you could come up with a method of ranking pilots and leave this thread for praising our top pilot. (in our opinion)
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Hey, in my opinion the top pilots are, Spud Nick, GoldenGlade and more that my tired and unwell brain is struggling to come up with.
We should leave this thread for those who we think is a good pilot by our standard and celebrate that instead of debating whose method of judging who is the top pilot. Could open a new thread if you guys want to see if you could come up with a method of ranking pilots and leave this thread for praising our top pilot. (in our opinion)
Thank you for beating me to the punch Abby. I was about to say the same thing.
Top pilots? Gotta go with Jub Jub.
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Until one has flown with all the pilots in questions as ally and enemy for a considerable amount of time, no ranking is even slightly correct, as the pilot skill also includes communication between the entire team (crew and allies) and heavily depends on the position of your allies and wether they are doing well or not as well.
When it comes to raw flying skill in 1v1, I say, the top pilots are (in no particular order):
Lueosi, Melon, Queue Fox P., Thomas, LazyPandas, Jub Jub, with Heldigris showing potential.
When it comes to pilot coordination and positioning, dependent on ally, I say, the top pilots are (in no particular order):
Sammy and Frogger
Skrimskraw and Fiasco Total/Crafeksterty
LazyPanads and JubJub
Pilot communication in terms of micro management is also important (and slightly ship/build dependent), but seeing as everybody only has one and the same pilot when they crew or only clan related pilots when it comes to competitive crewing, there is little way of ranking that.
Regarding wether pub matches have anything to do with this subjective ranking, I would say "no". I too have played pub matches to a fair amount and learned a majority of tricks there, but public games felt like they had a limit. When I entered the competitive scene I felt like developing in whole new directions, increasing my own skill level further.
In public matches one can see an individual skill better than in competitive, but that is of no matter since the individual skill does not best the collective skill of an entire ship or team.
In competitive the crews know exactly what their job is, they can execute their job with nigh perfection, leaving the pilot with the ability to concentrate more on the game itself. In pub matches this is not possible, because maybe somebody is not listening, not telling important stuff, forgetting to get into the required position, forgetting what the required position was, and on and on. Random pub crews will (should) perform worse than the pilots own competitive crew in comparision.
Mix that together with the ally and enemy having the same problems or even having pilots with these problems and you get: A Pilot.
A pilot so general to all and everything else that determining a skill difference between multiple pilots is not that easy when they operate on a roughly similar level.
In competitive you can see every little detail and are able to judge upon that. As Vanya said, in competitive, pilots still do an impressive amount of silly mistakes, but because the crew is to be expected to not screw up it is only the pilots fault. In pub matches a damaged turning engine or different gunnery behaviour is a little bit outside the pilots control...
Honorable Mention to Crafeksterty for his continious effort to try and make the Spire work. That Flakspire is particularly awesome.
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Dutch, I don't think the thread is entirely here for stroking the ego's of competitive players, I think the problem is the majority of opinions which originate from the people who take part in and appreciate competitive players...
Back on track!
Captains I'd like to give kudo's to, Captain Silverst
Very controlled, very tactical and planned, always able to spot his own mistakes, always striving to better his own choices, while also trying to give hints and tips to his own crew and allies! Oh and he is incredibly aware of his surroundings at all times.
Captain Swiftpaw. I've only played with Swift a few times, but each time has been relaxed and friendly environment in pub matches, definitely one guy I need to fly with more often.
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Hello scrubs, if we're going to list top pilots clearly one man (sheep?) rises abaa-ve the rest. This individual Bleats down the competition whenever he takes to the skies. He turns his enemies into Mutton. He completely fleeced the competition the last time he flew in Hephaestus. Who is he? Nat "Lamb-bert Einstein" Nyls, Ace Detective/Pilot.
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Havent read all of the thread, and I dont have a favourite pilot yet - seen many good ones in terms of flying, positioning and getting into the right positions - sure. This dont neccessarily make a good pilot to me. Im not a high level myself and havent flown more than 250-300 games as a pilot.
The pilot to me is the commander, and that involves alot more than just flying - at least in my book.
Communication - He needs to be able to lead, think ahead and make his crew aware of what he is planning to have them ready at the right guns at the right time, with the right ammo. To be very clear about orders so the crew dont have to guess what he is doing. Also the Communication with friendly captains are of great importance, a level 45 captain wont win a 2v2 alone every day of the weak unless he cooperates. Mic is essential.
Prematch planning - checking enemy loadouts and ships, be flexible and adapt to what they have and and make sure his crew and ally has the setup to match it.
Decisionmaking - in the heat of the battle the ability to make the right decisions is crucial, who to focus fire on, when and how to engage, when to focus repairs, when to sacrifice his ship for the team, when to pull back. Seen good flyers fail in this departement, sweetly flying into the wrong situation is not gonna make u a good commander.
Thats a few of my Points and my 50 cents on the matter.
Btw - whats a good win ratio for a pilot?
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Thank you for the shoutout Kitkatkitty, DJ Logicallia. I wish I could show everyone else what I'm capable of. and the next time a post like this makes the rounds I want to see my name on it more. I'm in this game for glory. Glory for Rome. Glory for me.
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Ightrill of Overwatch, a great ally very calm, and confident enough to avoid the meta! And a damn good friend.
Log Hally of 404, seriously must be a ninja! :)
Hillerton. A genuine delight to crew for, very aware of map and field of view. :)
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Btw - whats a good win ratio for a pilot?
Win ratio tends to be a poor indicator of individual skill. If you are flying with a regular crew than knows how to work together, your win rate will be significantly higher than if you joined random games and had to make do with what ever the Match making system gives you. Also flying a Metamiddion all the time will increase your win ration while not necessarily making you a better pilot.
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Btw - whats a good win ratio for a pilot?
Win ratio tends to be a poor indicator of individual skill. If you are flying with a regular crew than knows how to work together, your win rate will be significantly higher than if you joined random games and had to make do with what ever the Match making system gives you. Also flying a Metamiddion all the time will increase your win ration while not necessarily making you a better pilot.
I've won around two third of the games I've piloted on, but I am in no ways a top pilot.
I'm pretty sure having a microphone raises your win ratio. That's how I win most of my games: tryharding, setting up 2v1s, and telling my crew to aim at heavy guns.
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Getting thread back on track!
Wundsalz (Ryder) A pleasure to co-pilot with, one I hope i can arrange to fly alongside again with!
Lueosi (Ryder) because Lueosi really is a very reactive pilot, always aware of the map and his positioning!
Skrimshaw (GWth) only flown along his recently and his tactical awareness is incredible, with good communications too! You can easily see where the tales of the thralls originate from!
StrawberryDelight (NEKO) Genuinely a delight! (even when he was mining me for half a match as my ally! >:( ) a great laugh and I hope to see him more often!
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I just can't give much credit to meta pilots, so i cast a vote to Gilder, one of the few brave enough to fly the squid pre 1.2, and fly it well.
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Played against and with Lueosi before my internet pooped out this evening and tried to put up a fight while still teaching my 1-5 level crew XD
He's good at positioning and the lumberjack+hadies was terrifying. Once his sights were set on me my balloon, armor were downed and everything else was on fire.
Other captains that I've met in game would be Smollet and Rear Admiral Zill. I haven't seen or don't remember many others.
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Kamoba, Excellent Commander, helpful to newer players, always seems to remain calm and is very driven to continue to get better.
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Waffleghost. Because Waffle. Always nice no matter what. Always efficient. Well, almost always.
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Kamoba, Excellent Commander, helpful to newer players, always seems to remain calm and is very driven to continue to get better.
*Blushes* I finally made it here! \o/
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LIVE, THREAD LIIIIVE
I flew against Archriel a few times a couple weeks ago. He came back for a few games after a long inactivity and played in a Rydr scrim that I was subbing in. And, oh man, can that guy fly a pyra. This was the first time he played since the pyra nerf happened and it was like it didn't even phase him. I used to think that bad players substituted their lack of skill with a metamidion, or good pilots that wanted a quick win flew metamidtions, but Archriel flew it like a real ship, not a throw away meta ship. It was so hard to defend against and he positioned him self so well it was almost impossible to retaliate before we were dead. I've never seen someone shake off rust so quickly
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Ightrill of Overwatch, a great ally very calm, and confident enough to avoid the meta! And a damn good
Amen to this.
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Can we all agree that I am the best Pilot if you cannot decide? :P
I love piloting and will willingly help out any new crews whom require a captain or someone to guide them.
Personally, it is not about a specific ship, I feel that a good pilot needs to be proficient in most builds, I personally love the Metamideon but I also experiment and have become a huge fan of the mine/Barking dog front loadout.
Alternatively, I am also a huge fan of Mobulas and Spired, Despite not being the most competitive a close range combat, commanded correctly, their captain can deliver a deadly attack with decent coordination.
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Mine/Barking dog front loadout.
...I need a good mine gunner now, this sounds devastating.
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Kamoba, Excellent Commander, helpful to newer players, always seems to remain calm and is very driven to continue to get better.
+1 Kamo - one of the best pilots to learn the game under.
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Mine/Barking dog front loadout.
...I need a good mine gunner now, this sounds devastating.
It is a strange loadout but on a pyra - it is devastating, Even from range, lesmok rounds can still pack a punch with mines and if they get closer, lochnagar them to the ground with the barking dog!
Me and fellow Bard member Sir Steffen love it (Sir Steffen is the best mine gunner I have ever encountered).
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I can confirm, that with good crew the combination of mines and carro is devastating - though I use it on my Munker (carro front, rest are mines)
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I can confirm, that with good crew the combination of mines and carro is devastating - though I use it on my Munker (carro front, rest are mines)
Nice!
Do I become a contender for the Top Pilot forum now?
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By the way, Mann, haven't you saw that combo on my munker? By any chance?
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I do not believe I have I'm afraid...
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Never piloted against another pilot I couldn't beat. Once you play the game and figure out the secrets to how to always win.. It seems experience & knowledge are the only thing separating the winners and losers. That and lag.
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the sky wolf
for never having lost a game
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Now you know that's ot what I meant silly man.
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The Sky Wolf, top pilot, Rydr approved.
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Considered making a team sky wolf? would like to get close to 100% winrate ;)
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The Sky Wolf, won every game except when enemy is not being piloted 10/10
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(http://i.imgur.com/vWLAYY6.jpg)
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I just have to mention The Sky Wolf here...
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Haven't played since the Glowwater Thralls retired, but can confirm Sky Wolf best pilot. 11/10.
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Haven't played since the Glowwater Thralls retired, but can confirm Sky Wolf best pilot. 11/10.
How did you know?!
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The Sky Wolf, won every game except when enemy is not being piloted 10/10
Hahaha
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But seriously all victory is predictable when you understand the conditions for victory. The conditions required for victory in this game are more complex than meets the eye and often requires a lot of experience just to see it. If you don't understand this, then every victory will seem like a magical godsend to you; which is bad needless to say if you're looking to become a general or something.
Hence superior experience & knowledge = Victory in all situations against anybody who exists in the universe. If you could take GoI classes in college then you'd get off to a great start and be able to compete with the best in your first week. You could also just read the art of war and have Sun Tzu explain it better.
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Just coming to confirm, sky wolf best pilot. Seriously this guy is like the hannibal and manfred von richthofen and george washington combined. Let this thread from here on be dedicated solely to sky wolf appreciation.
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I will name my firstborn after him. Even if it is a girl.
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Soe honurd yo
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Can someone please rename the topic to
Top pilot (The Sky Wolf) and some scrubs
My notion of decency and justice demands it.
Also I recommend creating a tournament under the name of The Sky Wolf. The main prize would be one secret technique from the book of his experience.
Never has been a tournament so many teams would sign up for.
Just think about it. You just have to win this once, to win Every Single Time in certain situations!
The Sky Wolf Tournament 2015: 20 teams
The Sky Wolf Tournament 2016: 200 teams
The Sky Wolf Tournament 2017: 2000 teams
And add a rule to every competition forbidding The Sky Wolf to play... what's the point of bets if he's on one side?!
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I would love to play in said tournament, if The Sky Wolf, in his infinite wisdom, deems me worthy
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Tournament has an obvious problem. If we just ban Sky Wolf from it, whoever wins it first and gets access to the secret will just win every subsequent tournament. We need to ban every winner as well. Otherwise sign me up, (*Gollum voice*) I must have the secret.
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I second all of this.
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Zincathion's Squid. I have never beaten his Squid. I have something like a 0-30 Win-Loss ratio against it.
<3
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Sky Invading Rhinos tremble in fear when they scent The Sky Wolf. Although I've barely played for the past months countless reports about The Sky Wolfs greatness have reached me nonetheless. He must be one extraordinary airship ace.
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I can disclose that me and Skrim just lost hope with SCS due to piloting imbalance concerns.
Thanks, The Sky Wolf.
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best meme in goio now
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Zincathion's Squid. I have never beaten his Squid. I have something like a 0-30 Win-Loss ratio against it.
<3
Zincathion is probably the best squid pilot around. Once time he and I won exactly 30 matches in a row when we were piloting together and he used his baby squid Lightning Dust. We've been good friends ever since.
Zincathion should be in the top 10 pilots.
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This thread went from full circle jerking to pure awesomeness.
+1 The Sky Wolf king of GoIo
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Smollet, Frogger, Captain Roy and FeastonThrones are the most memorable people that come to mind when it comes to good pilots I've flown under, otherwise I mostly piloted myself.
I haven't played this game since forever but I still lurk. Hue. >w>
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Best thing about Sky Wolf isn't his piloting (He's really good, but not unbeatable), It is his attitude and the way he acts/what he says. Seriously, I'm not sure if I've every flown with, or against, a more entertaining captain.
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(He's really good, but not unbeatable)
untrue, never been beaten
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Then we're thinking of different people, because I beat a guy with a name similar enough to that that I though that is who that is.
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Only a heretic and a blasphemer would claim such a thing!
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Ashunera officially top 1 pilot now
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Nope, you must be mistanken. Sky wolf has never and will never be beaten.
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There is a Space Wolf, might have been him.
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Pics or it didnt happen, we must have proof that the great sky wolf has been slain!
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After much consideration, I, too, have come to the conclusion Ashunera must be the #1 pilot. The only person brave enough to make such an assertion would be the only person strong enough to take down The Sky Wolf
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Ashunera, new god.
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Messiah fight and religious schism time! I continue to have faith in The Sky Wolf. I don't know who this Ashunera person is, but clearly they must have been playing a different Sky Wolf, are you sure it wasn't a Sky Panda or a Sky Chihuahua? Or did you use the not having a pilot trick?
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Well, there is only one solution here, I shall have to challenge skywolf to a fight in live combat
Our ships shall clash among the torn ruins of ages past, over the sands of long gone oceans, and in the skies of treacherous land from mountain to canyon. May we see who is truly the greatest captain, not by the words of people, but by the bullets of our guns!
Skywolf! Let us see if you are truly as good as the people say! Let us meet and declare a fight fit for the gods of Olympus!
Dominus Deus
exaudi nos et miserere
exaudi, Dominus
Dona nobis pacem
et salva nos a hostibus
Salva nos, Deus
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Well, there is only one solution here, I shall have to challenge skywolf to a fight in live combat
Our ships shall clash among the torn ruins of ages past, over the sands of long gone oceans, and in the skies of treacherous land from mountain to canyon. May we see who is truly the greatest captain, not by the words of people, but by the bullets of our guns!
Skywolf! Let us see if you are truly as good as the people say! Let us meet and declare a fight fit for the gods of Olympus!
Dominus Deus
exaudi nos et miserere
exaudi, Dominus
Dona nobis pacem
et salva nos a hostibus
Salva nos, Deus
The challenge has been made!
We need a streamer for this glorious battle!
Clash of the titans!
Gather your teams captains.
Going back to on topic, I've not seen the Sky Wolf in action...
And thus I have to name Ayetach.
Two against one last night, our ally Galleon decided the fight was taking too long, and then suddenly, the Galleon is blasting enemies out of the sky, and there is Ayetach at the helm! <3
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Yeah this should be the next competitive event guys, skywolf vs scrubs who think they're cool.
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Can someone translate what Ashunera said?
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Can someone translate what Ashunera said?
He is under the illusion that people will willingly take on The Sky Wolf in aerial combat... But all cower in fear.
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I fought a Sky Wolf impersonator flying a metamidion. Won 3/3
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I assume you mean the latin? It is from a song called Salva Nos from the anime Noir. Here is a rough translation:
Lord God
Hear us and have mercy
Hear us, Lord
Grant us peace
And save us from the enemy
Save us, God
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I assume you mean the latin? It is from a song called Salva Nos from the anime Noir. Here is a rough translation:
Lord God
Hear us and have mercy
Hear us, Lord
Grant us peace
And save us from the enemy
Save us, God
Canta Per Me is a better song. God I haven't seen Noir since I was 11, thank you for the memories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqGeT4PiJko
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Canta per me is amazing. I love both songs.
Fun fact, the guy who did that vid mistranslated a part of it (I commented on that a little while ago)
Anyway, glad to see another Noir fan.
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I just want to chip in with that I have all respect for good pilots, and ever for those who aren't good yet. Being a pure-blood engineer, I never suffer a lack of appriciation - seems to come with the job.
But captains get so much flak when they mess up and so little love when they do good. It's unfair, and I absolutely support anything that will give them the love that they deserve.
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Canta per me is amazing. I love both songs.
Fun fact, the guy who did that vid mistranslated a part of it (I commented on that a little while ago)
Anyway, glad to see another Noir fan.
I completely recall reading your YouTube comment and laughing. It's amazing how many Lyrics videos get the lyrics wrong... They had 1 job other than uploading the correct song, and that is copying and pasting the lyrics into the video editor.