Guns Of Icarus Online
Main => World => Topic started by: Indreams on October 23, 2014, 10:03:18 am
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The forum seems to be missing a thread on Government. As a political science nerd, I couldn't resist a thread on that.
So, how are the factions governed?
It's clear that the Anglean Republic has a representative government of some form (Republic is in the name.)
I'd assume that the Yesha Empire has some form of an emperor and central government.
The Fjord Baronies, I imagine, would have a hereditary oligarchy.
Other factions are unclear on how they are governed.
It'd be interesting to imagine how these factions would be governed, if they are not governed at all.
Thank you for reading, :)
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I think it's more likely the Fjord baronies have a parliamentary monarchy-they definitely have a King. So basically a hereditary oligarchy, but more structured. Like England, if you surgically removed the House of Commons.
I've always viewed Yesha as much like Imperial China, with the addition of a caste system. An Emperor, yes, but also a vast bureaucracy, with civil service tests to determine your role, and possibly secure advancement. It would be hard/impossible to move outside of your assigned caste, though you could advance within it.
Anglea might have a sort of tribal moot-the tribes elect a head, and the head represents them within the Althing.
The Mercentile guild, on the other hand, is interesting. I keep going back to Venice for a model for their government, with a Doge/Prince that is chosen among various great corporation-houses.
Chalcodon is kinda a blank
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I'd think the mercantile guild as an alliance of machiavellian states. Despotic, opportunistic, distrusting states held together under profit. Similar to medieval Italy.
And Chaladon, I haven't got a clue. They seem to have some sort of a Utopian community.
I like your idea of the Yesha being similar to Han China. That would make them a strong, powerful "empire"
I know Anglea is viking-like, but I'd like to imagine a republican state safe in the northern mountains, little more organized than tribal-elections.
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The Order of Chaladon is hard to discern due to the lack of lore on them.
While the world was swept away by war, famine, plague—the dust of death slowly settling its fine red mist on the parched earth—the Island of Chaladon remained isolated from the devastation. A Chaladonian could look in one direction to see bright white sands and clear blue waters, then look in the other direction to be met with the smells of ripe fruit and green pastures. Their fertile land led the Chaladonians to become experts in modern thought and bio-chemical sciences. After tilling the fields, an old farmer may retire to his workshop to concoct a new fertilizer for his fields to triple its yield. Before tending to her chores, a girl may work out the kinks of a new hydro-pneumatic system to operate simple machinery. Life was perfect.
Then word spread that they could teach outsiders how to grow enough crops to feed families for months and with enough to store for winter. Indeed, the Order could teach others how to turn desolate lands into fertile farms, but they knew it would come at a cost. The Chaladonians are isolationists by choice, they understood that the world became the way it is because of man being in disunion with the earth. To burden the land to feed the many will only ensure the death of all their children once the soil sprouts its last seed.
The Chaladonian’s freedom to pursue knowledge is only because they understood what the world could give them—effort is put into the soil and the gift of survival is received. Take too much, and the gift of death is also earned.
Death balances the scales.
But from this (and only this) I would wager that Chaladon has a strong, centralized, facist-type government, where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Based on their lore description, it doesn't actually say it, but it gives several very subtle hints that Chaladonians purposefully cull the population to make sure that they always have plentiful food:
While the world was swept away by war, famine, plague—the dust of death slowly settling its fine red mist on the parched earth—the Island of Chaladon remained isolated from the devastation. A Chaladonian could look in one direction to see bright white sands and clear blue waters, then look in the other direction to be met with the smells of ripe fruit and green pastures. Their fertile land led the Chaladonians to become experts in modern thought and bio-chemical sciences. After tilling the fields, an old farmer may retire to his workshop to concoct a new fertilizer for his fields to triple its yield. Before tending to her chores, a girl may work out the kinks of a new hydro-pneumatic system to operate simple machinery. Life was perfect.
Then word spread that they could teach outsiders how to grow enough crops to feed families for months and with enough to store for winter. Indeed, the Order could teach others how to turn desolate lands into fertile farms, but they knew it would come at a cost. The Chaladonians are isolationists by choice, they understood that the world became the way it is because of man being in disunion with the earth. To burden the land to feed the many will only ensure the death of all their children once the soil sprouts its last seed.
The Chaladonian’s freedom to pursue knowledge is only because they understood what the world could give them—effort is put into the soil and the gift of survival is received. Take too much, and the gift of death is also earned.
Death balances the scales.
Assuming this is true, and Chaladonians do keep manual control over their population, I'd also imagine them to have rules on who would or would die, or be able to have children. Sickly or weak infants would probably be abandoned, anyone causing problems within society would be executed, and the old or handicapped would be euthanized. I see all of this lending itself very strongly to a Facist-ish type government, which historically wouldn't be too far off, as GoI's time line begins (again according to lore) somewhere near the 1945 (assuming WWI --> WWII never ended). This is when "The Third Way" was becoming massively popular in Europe, so I can very easily see this type of government being represented within the game as Chaladon.
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Up till now, I have thought of the Order as the good guys. (Well, it is the "Order")
Well, if they are like society in The Brave New World and We, I don't think I like them anymore.
But how would the Order maintain control over a agricultural population?
The Order is primarily agricultural, which would suggest a decentralized population. I am not convinced that a strong, fascist, central government can maintain control over the Chaladon.
The alternative that I can think of is that the Order's citizens are ideological to the point of religion. But religion was never mentioned in the World of Icarus, so... does anybody have a good explanation?
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For all we know Chaladon could be ruled by a vast thinking machine that was created prior to the cataclysm that turned much of the the world to ash. Perhaps this thinking machine controlled a network of skybound vessels. A Skynet if you will. It recognized the feuding nations would one day destroy the entire planet and decided it would give the process a kickstart. All the while preserving an isolated island that housed its central core.
Sadly this machine miscalculated the durability of its physical systems and after a few decades was in sore need of maintenance. It tricked a small population of refugees that washed up on its shores into thinking it was a god and used their agile human fingers to clean and maintain its internal systems. The Skynet used its advanced knowledge of human psychology and agriculture to cultivate its people and its island into a garden of Eden.
Ultimately all Chaledonians are slaves to a homicidal machine god. They do not understand the technology which they serve, but accept its control because it has allowed them to lead lives of abundance. Without the influence of their mechanical overmind they are a weak people only suitable for enslavement and pillaging.
Sincerely Yours,
The Angelean Propaganda Ministry
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It's unlikely there's a true "Good Guy" faction. The Chalcedonians have a "utopian" society...but beyond the obvious cultish isolationism/"screw the rest of the world, I've got mine," they seem pretty heavy on the authoritarian scale.
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Can whatever Hamster said be canon? :D
Yea, I'm pretty sure the "Good Guy" faction will be up to the player to decide.
We haven't mentioned the Arashi league yet.
They are described as
The small tribal families, warbands, and rag tag groups are fiercely independent
So, some sort of loose confederation? Or like the pirates in the Pirates of the Caribbean, held together by a vague code of conduct?
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Something like the Aiel from Wheel of Time, or Fremen from Dune. Full of infighting, with greater allegiance for tribe than nation, but ready to turn on outsiders like a next of wasps the moment they're poked. Maybe an emergency tribe council, or a once-a-year festival where they all gather at neutral ground to trade, but no formal national government.
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Have you ever wondered how the Angeleans could survive in their vast arctic tundra? They say they harness thermal energy from within the earth, but that is a lie. No human could stand the noxious gasses and extreme temperature differences.
Any child knows all human life needs food grown in the light of the sun to provide the nutrients for good health. Yet the sun rarely shines on the Angelea's domain. I posit to you that the Angeleans aren't really human, but a race of Lizard people from the center of the earth. Our two races lived in blissful ignorance of one another until pre cataclysm man kind's greed for fossil fuel caused them to drill too deep.
Any records of mankind's contact with the lizard people have been lost but reputable schollars believe a cast of these Lizard people carry the Chamelion's color shifting ability. They no doubt used it to infiltrate pre cataclysm human society with the intention of turning man on his fellow man. Ultimately this precipitated the great war that nearly destroyed this planet's fragile eco system. Were it not for the guidance of Chaladon's founding fathers and the lizard people's inherent fear of great bodies of water this planet would have been overrun by a scourge of lizard people.
Do not trust the Angelean's promise of shelter and meaningful labor in their underground cities, the lizard people look upon humanity as a food stock and nothing more. That is right, your friends, family, and neighbors who were taken in Angelean raids now rest comfortably inside the bellies of those forked tongued fiends.
Next time you see one of those lumbering brutes wrapped in their furs and armor look closely for scales and reptilian eyes. Then you will know the truth, Angeleans are not to be trusted.
Respectfully,
The Chaledon Ministry for Truth.
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Yesha has 3 branches of government but it is similar to Anglea in that it is a republic format. At least, it was awhile back. I know Muse has done a lot more detail on Yesha than the others. But I've noticed small changes over time. Heck at one point there was a reference to the Baronies refining for Yesha, but then that changed.
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So it's a republic called an empire, with hints at a a caste system. Curious.
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So it's a republic called an empire, with hints at a a caste system. Curious.
Yeah, I originally thought it was more Imperial but then I had to check into it for the VN and nope, its a republic. I would imagine that it is more Sith Empire and less Old Republic. But instead of just an Emperor ruling, you have the 3 branches. The Consuls hold that supreme power and preside over a senate type setup.
Baronies I imagine as more feudal. There is a king but he's more of a symbol and the Barons more or less run the show. Which would give rise to a great amount of cloak and dagger.
The Guild, I kinda imagine as having sort of a Mafia/Merchant King system. It is ran by families/etc. In a way, not terribly different than Arashi's tribal system, cept they are asses who would sell their own mother to make a profit.
Chaladon I could see having minimal government. Loose state or province system. Possibly some likeness to the Baronies except with no king or major ruler over their heads. More free society that has their paradise and doesn't really care about the rest of the world as much. Gryphos has a nice quote that fits them in the VN. Basically there is a scene where the protagonist's dad is discussing the other nations and the general idea about Chaladon he puts across is,"Maybe… maybe they don’t want to eat at the restaurant, but they do want to know what’s on the menu, and what others are ordering.” Kinda like window shoppers when it comes to the other nations.
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We haven't mentioned the Arashi league yet.
They are described as
The small tribal families, warbands, and rag tag groups are fiercely independent
So, some sort of loose confederation? Or like the pirates in the Pirates of the Caribbean, held together by a vague code of conduct?
I think that sentence is referring to a past League, where borders were being drawn, pacts signed, etc within the desert.
I'm guessing that the League is a commonwealth-alliance mix similar to the real world CIS, but with them sharing a common currency, military, and language. Plus, given that the desert is just western Europe turned sideways and it's called the "Arashi League", I'm gambling that Muse is basing the League off of the League of Nations, which was (or what Wilson wanted to be) similar to a commonwealth.
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Anglean Republic are a scattered number of villages that have a governing official with advisors, however they are all united under a singular ruler of the entire republic and gather to meet at certain times. Despite their barbaric actions of raiding, slavery, and piracy, they are actually quite organized (which is kinda necessary when living in such a harsh environment and a reliance on piracy and thievery.)
Yeshan Empire is your basic classical Asian style government, however unlike ancient China and Japan, the Empire is run by a council of Eunuchs who are the intellectual and philosophical elite.
The Arashi League, if I remember correct, don't have a central leader, and are similar to the Angleans that they are a cluster of villages with their own leaders but are not always allies with each other.
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Yeshan Empire is your basic classical Asian style government, however unlike ancient China and Japan, the Empire is run by a council of Eunuchs who are the intellectual and philosophical elite.
Eunuchs,.. 'O che sciagura d'essere senza coglioni!'
If I remember my Chinese history correctly, the Ancient Chinese empires were, at some periods, ran by Eunuchs.
The last days of Han dynasty would be the best example. If I remember my Chinese history, Eunuchs held sway over the emperor before being overthrown by provincial warlords.
Do you guys think that the Yeshans know Confucius, and/or hold Confucian ideals in their government? The way muse set them up, it seems most likely.
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Yeshan Empire is your basic classical Asian style government, however unlike ancient China and Japan, the Empire is run by a council of Eunuchs who are the intellectual and philosophical elite.
Eunuchs,.. 'O che sciagura d'essere senza coglioni!'
If I remember my Chinese history correctly, the Ancient Chinese empires were, at some periods, ran by Eunuchs.
The last days of Han dynasty would be the best example. If I remember my Chinese history, Eunuchs held sway over the emperor before being overthrown by provincial warlords.
Do you guys think that the Yeshans know Confucius, and/or hold Confucian ideals in their government? The way muse set them up, it seems most likely.
From what I could dissect from videos that talked about the factions and what info has been uploaded, the Yeshan follow a GOIO version of Confucianism, in this case its basically a philosophy that teaches the basics of propriety. In place of an emperor, they have a council of eunuchs, who seem to be a part of an educated sect within the society and have the proper knowledge to run the country, economy, military, and external politics as per the teachings..
And yes, throughout history, there have been many instances where Eunuchs have controlled the Chinese emperors from behind the curtains. Look no further than the Ten Eunuchs prior to the splitting of the Han Empire.
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I thought the Eunuch thing was a myth spread by the the successors of that dynasty to convince the population that the Han dynasty had lost the mandate of heaven.
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No, they actually had Eunuchs
Two reasons:
1.) So that hereditary powers will no threaten the meritocratic system as well as the powers of the emperor.
2.) So that members close to the Royal family will not cause any scandals or illegitimate children.
And a less serious third reason:
To say stuff like ->'O che sciagura d'essere senza coglioni!'
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I am sure there were eunuchs, but the implication that the "eunuchs ran the country and treated the weak emperor as a puppet," sounds like high quality propaganda written after the fact by a new government who wanted to make the old government look bad.
You know the type of lies those Fjord Barons spread to keep their populous from understanding the enlightened Yeshan ideals.
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Maybe so, perhaps it could be next in your propaganda series.
Btw, Muse, if you are reading this thread, make whatever hamster says canon.
O, and make the Codex of Zuka canon as well. Hilarious.
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I would think the Order of Chaladon would be a kind of technocratic oligarchy. It's already been revealed that the term Order of Chaladon doesn't apply to the nation itself but rather the fraternity of scholars, philosophers and gentleman. Therefore I imagine that Chaladon is actually technically made up of separate states, but united through each state's governors all being members of this 'Order of Chaladon'. That's my speculation anyway.
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In one of the Kickstarter updates, Eric actually gave us a bit of information about the different factions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSd0Ah4CgDg&list=PLXBTe7DWOUHwvu6ZeoVfHZufdiLHin3xX&index=6
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSd0Ah4CgDg&list=PLXBTe7DWOUHwvu6ZeoVfHZufdiLHin3xX&index=6)
I'm not sure whether parts of it are outdated at the moment, but it gives some good insight.
Yesha Empire: Expansionist, meritocratic republic ruled by a triumvirate of philosopher consuls.
Anglean Republic: Isolationist, democratic townhall-government.
Fjord Baronies: caste system, feudal. Collection of territories ruled by lords and united under one king.
Order of Chaladon: Force Kingdom (Not sure what that's supposed to mean?)
Mercantile Guild: (no info on government given)
Arashi League: independent and heterogenous collection of city states.
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The way I see it, there's a very real chance much of the world isn't territory that is well controlled by one of the primary factions.
Meaning there's probably numerous smaller city-states all over, and probably a bunch of sky pirates
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Well, those city-states and the sky pirates would be the the Arashi and Mercantile guild.
Yesha, Baronies, and Chaladon would have a control over their territories. Anglea, Arashi, and Guild won't have good control.
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I like to think that, regardless of culture or nation, each place has a central ruler or leader. Yesha, for example, has a council that answers to one lord, or the Baronies, barons who kneel before a single king. Arashi, chiefs. Mercantile guild has a committee with a "president" which is really a fancy term for "Someone with enough power and influence to execute anyone who disagrees".
I can't think of anything for Anglea. It's just too much of a loose grouping what with all the imagined spread over the area for tech and engineering instead of centralizing.
Chaladon is just... it's such a perfect society that it can't have one leader, so I imagine old "wise" men holding authority over the entire place.
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Chaledon I imagine to be somewhat closer to a druidic (or "pagen") society, far from perfect ;)
But then again, I'm from Trading Troops, an arm of the mercantile guild, tasking ourselves with obtaining the cure for the Gray Blight in the interests of profit. 8)
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The Chaladon's could utilize a theocratic ideology. They could follow theory and use that as the way they dictate themselves. Much like religion, they would follow a divine being or a centralized idea. That would be their government. I could never imagine them having one person be their leader or a group of elitists be governing them. So in my mind the only thing that makes sense is to have a god or an idea be their guidelines and their way of life.
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I've been thinking,...
Chaladon probably has some sort of religion governing them, but the religion has a strong affinity to science.
Yesha wouldn't follow Confucian ideals. Sure, they seem very East Asian, but Yeshan ideals of meritocracy and ambitions are in direct conflict with Confucian ideals of hierarchy and knowing-your-place. My guess would be that Yesha would have something similar to the one-party system China currently has. A system where government offices are mostly based on merit, but similarly riddled with corruption.
Mercantile Guild is probably Italian city states bound under one ideal of profit.
Anglea, I think, probably doesn't have a formal government.
Baronies are probably Feudalism and Manorialism. But I wonder if they have a king. If they do, the king wouldn't be an absolutist, but a weak monarch similar to the elected, non-Habsburg Holy Roman Emperors.
Arashi, probably similar to Anglea.
In fact, what is the difference between Arashi and Anglea? They are both raiders and pirates. Barbarians and Hill People refusing proper civilization for freedom. What is different between Arashi and Anglea? Do they have conflicts?
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Maybe the Angleans elect a strong military leader to be kinda like a war chief. When i look at the Angleans i see vikings. So i would imagine them electing their leader based on skill and strength. The cold, harsh land and using what materials they can find to build a strong army sounds a lot like the vikings. They might function on a more basic level of feudalism where there are communities of people living together instead of wealthy families. The tribes would have a head leader. Then out of all the tribes there would be a head tribe and a war chief who is in charge of all the tribes. It would be less bloodline focused and who is part of the family, and more of who is part of the tribe. "The Angleans take what they seek."
From what I've been reading, a lot of people have the idea that Chaladon works on more of a theocratic government that follows more of a set of ideas instead of a person or a group of people. A guess could be that they follow a machine god or a god of science. Maybe they follow an ancient text that gives rules on how to live life. Who knows?
Muse has already confirmed that the Baronies run off of a king, lord, peasant system. Noble families swear legion to a king who too the throne through power. Muse has also stated that in the simplest terms, its the Game of Thrones of all the factions (The person who was working on the Baronies was watching Games of Thrones while working. Someone from Muse stated that in another post). If one noble family wants the throne then they mass an army and take it. Feudalism at it's most basic level.
From what i'm seeing with the Yesha Empire, it looks like it might even be a communistic society. They even use things like "To be Yeshan is to be proud of who you are, no matter where you are in society" and even "Where there is a role in society, there is a citizen." It sounds like people are given roles in society and they are to stay true to that role. To simplify it, take communism and then make sure that no one person rises to power and becomes a dictator.
The Arashi League is as the name suggests. Groups o tribes of people living throughout the land and when times come the tribes come together and band together. A league of nations kinda. They are probably the least advanced and most primitive due to their harsh environments. Imagine Mad Max.
The Merchant Guide looks like they function much like a business would. They sell and buy things. Use their wealth to gather armies and bribe. Their goal is to be wealthier. It literally is a guild of wealthy merchants who use their money and power to influence others and to gain power.
To answer Indreams, Angleans would probably be more like vikings with tribes who are close knit communities who elect a chief and then out of all the tribes one tribe would be the head tribe with a war chief in charge of all the tribes. The Arashi would be more like tribes who might have their own tribe leader like an Elder. The tribes would work together and come together when the times really call for it. More like how the UN functions with different nations being represented instead of having one person being the leader of all the others. Angleans would have more of a focus on finding more technologies in their land and then going out and proving that they are just as strong as the other factions while the Arashi would mainly be doing things in order to survive their harsh desert life.
I would imagine that they could but the two nations are pretty much on opposite sides of the map. There might be a time where the two conflict but unless one nation really steps far way from their borders it's unlikely. Plus the Yesha Empire sits right between them so that would be more of a concern to both factions than each other.
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In fact, what is the difference between Arashi and Anglea? They are both raiders and pirates. Barbarians and Hill People refusing proper civilization for freedom. What is different between Arashi and Anglea? Do they have conflicts?
Paraphrasing question:
Is Anglea and Arashi the same?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
My in-game and role-play character would so much disagree with this, and since I created them both, I also disagree, but not to the exaggerated extent of my above role-play statement.
I feel that Arashi is a more "In the moment" civilization. Keyword is "In the moment". The world is being run with raiding and being a merchant as the powers of the time. Naturally, the Arashi Desert's harsh conditions and low economic power (I'd think) makes it a "Are you kidding?" scenario for all merchants. So, this leaves the Arashi with a single way of life: Death. Raiding is their specialty, and that is all they will do because that is all they CAN do.
Anglea, however, is barbaric because ice vikings. Everyone hears ships and someone has to go "Pirates?" Arashi fill in the gap of "Raiders", so here we have pirates. Angleans look backward and move forward, trying to get machinery of the past to secure their future. However, as luck would have it, trying to trade with other nations is a bit of a hassle when you live on a mountain. Although barbaric, they seek to unlock the minds of those pre-war, to become more powerful and to be able to advance forward. With an Anglean, he will take as he pleases, as he feels he will be able to do better than you with whatever you have.
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Hmm..
As someone who closely relates himself to the Yesha Empire (I haven't chosen a side or made a proper rp character yet), I can probably speak for the Empire when I say:
To the Yeshans, Angleans and Arashi are probably seen as the same. Angleans are barbarians to the north and Arashi are barbarians to the south. An interesting thought.
Regardless, I get what you mean. Anglea and Arashi are distinct factions. Still, they have much in common. They both scavenge the ruins of the old world. They both pirate and raid other factions. In fact, if Yesha wasn't in-between them, they'd be like the best buddies.
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In fact, if Yesha wasn't in-between them, they'd be like the best buddies.
Except for the fact that the Arashi hate everyone and everything.
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I recall a Muse mentioning a relationship between the Angleans and Arashi. It was something about how since the Angleans have the technological know-how and the Arashi have the raw materials, they're trade "buddies".
Also, I think it's safe to say that the Yeshans think everyone outside of their influence are barbarians. :P
Also also, I'd recommend looking over the old map (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140314035859/gunsoficarusonline/images/2/27/Guns_of_Icarus_Map.jpg). Even though Muse has said that it's no longer the "official" map, I think it gives a good idea on the direction they were going with the factions, who lives in them, and what they're capable of. It's actually because of it that I doubt the Arashi are simply a bunch of small city-based tribes, but a group of small nations who kept their old-world identity (Which would give off a tribal feeling).
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In fact, if Yesha wasn't in-between them, they'd be like the best buddies.
Except for the fact that the Arashi hate everyone and everything.
The League mainly place their hate at the Guild, they have been at it since maybe the Age of Dust or beyond. Even if it's not a full scale war, attacks between them are constant.
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I was under the distinct impression that the Arashi didn't like any outsiders! Has this changed?
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From what Muse has stated, the Anglean Republic is actually not that similar to vikings. They're linguistically similar, with scandinavian sounding city names, etc. And they've been described by Muse as having a viking style town-hall democracy (whatever that means exactly), and of course they raid a lot, but that's where the similarities end. They most certainly aren't barbarians, and they don't live in tribes like the Arashi – in fact they're probably one of the more 'civilised' nations (although it's been stated that they do keep a lot of slaves). They're raiding of everyone else is probably due more to necessity than any kind of malevolence. They need resources to live and they want technology to advance themselves, and if others aren't willing to trade, they'll take what they want. Basically they're vikings in attitude, but not much else.
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Should we think that they are similar to mountain goblins from the middle-earth or like orcs in WoW?
They raid, keep slaves, are considered barbaric by other civs, and have a surprisingly complex civilization. Very much like goblins and orcs from other worlds.
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They raid, keep slaves, are considered barbaric by other civs, and have a surprisingly complex civilization. Very much like goblins and orcs from other worlds.
Interesting thought. Although, that's assuming that other nations see them as barbaric, which I'm not sure is true. For example, Anglea has better technology than most other nations with the likely exception of Chaladon, and a structured democratic system of government. Unless other nations just have literally no idea how Anglea does things, which is unlikely, they would see it less as a horde of barbarians and more as a rival civilisation, one who happens to be fond of raiding.
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Well, Goblins make surprisingly efficient machines and tools.
I can definitely see Yesha considering them as Barbarians to the north. Arashi might respect them a bit. Baronies would consider them a rival civilization (the democracy is a dangerous idea for the feudal Fjords). I bet Chaladons don't really care for the Angleans. They would be bitter technological rivals.
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I bet Chaladons don't really care for the Angleans. They would be bitter technological rivals.
I don't know if bitter technological rivals would be the proper term, as the Chaladonians insist on balancing what they "take" from the earth, and in turn would get super-ultra-pissed at the mere existence of a race of people who's day job literally is seeing what tech they can get from the frozen mountains.
Will say though that Anglea and Chaladon would probably be some of the most technological factions, although maybe not the most balanced.
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dayum hamster you're taking this into all the directions
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Given how Chaladons are all about that balance, Chaladonians would have spies/diplomats in every faction.
Chaladons would be a "meddling" faction in war and peace to maintain their idea of balance.
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I don't think the Chaladonians are meddling that much with other Nations. Diplomats yes, but I feel they are pretty isolationist.
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Well, since this has been dug up!
With regard to the Chaladonians: I don't think they're as isolationist as one might think. They at least have enough fingers in the world's pie to send reinforcements to Hanat in a direct move to thwart the Anglean Republic. Which pretty much means they're enemies of the Republic for some reason or another.
I get this from the info card for the Anglean Raiders 3v3 map.
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I don't think the Chaladonians are meddling that much with other Nations. Diplomats yes, but I feel they are pretty isolationist.
Not meddling?!
The scum are withholding the cure from those of us suffering from the Grey Blight that plagues the vastness, we the Trading Troops, as an arm of the mercantile guild shall crush any Chaladonians who dare stand in our way of getting the cure!
Meddling evil alchemists and hippy tree huggers!
(please note that is an IC point of view ;) )
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The scum are withholding the cure from those of us suffering from the Grey Blight that plagues the vastness, we the Trading Troops, as an arm of the mercantile guild shall crush any Chaladonians who dare stand in our way of getting the cure!
Meddling evil alchemists and hippy tree huggers!
I had an interesting thought.
Grey Blight is a thing. Chaladonians research it, but haven't found the cure. Since Chaladonians are all secretive about what they do, other factions have no idea what they've got. Mercantile Guild accuses Chaladon of withholding the cure. Chaladonian diplomats decide to use the situation to their advantage. They bluff (or just simply don't deny) that they have the cure, telling other factions to play nice if they want them. Mercantile Guild just downright gets frustrated and sends the Trading Troops.
A misunderstanding, manipulation, and war. Just a thought I brewed in my dreams.