Guns Of Icarus Online
Off-Topic => The Lounge => Topic started by: Deryn Sharp on September 29, 2014, 02:36:06 pm
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Hello guys, i'm Deryn Sharp and i started playing in July, then i took a big pause. Now i want to play again, but i wonder if a significant number of people left during my break. I played 30 mn today and i didn't saw much of lobbies, so... Ye, before taking the game seriously again i wanted to know that. I mean, i know good games don't have that much of popularity nowadays... And i'm used to be heartbroken seeing my new hobbies getting deserted. :-\
I hope it was the right section to post that, and please, excuse me if it wasn't. I don't remember to have posted yet.
Sorry for my bad english, its a little rusty, 20 century-ish... Y'know... Anyway, thanks in advance for your answers, and i hope we'll meet in game soon :)
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The summer crowd went back to school is one big reason. But theres likely a myriad of others. GOIO does this. We see huge boom periods and then huge down periods. Honestly I'm not surprised. This has been the routine for the last year. I wouldn't expect things to really pick up till COOP hits. The PVE element brings in another crowd which often leaks into the PVP area.
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...Hell, just pair up a large or medium-large youtube/streamer and a steam sale, and you'll see Crap loads of people... However, not all of them are the kind of people that this community will tolerate. Only a fraction of the people from the sales are the kind of people who stick with the game and contribute positively to this community.
(Personally, it is such a chore keeping things civil when the small but vocal crowd of mysogynistic 12-year olds come in. Or those idiots who are like "Hail Hitler", or the trolls. I, as a reasonably sane, responsible human being frown upon those people, and can relate to those who take offense to those kinds of people.)
(I'm Jewish.)
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Offtopic, but it's kind of odd that this is the first reference to westerfeld's leviathan I've seen on the forum. As obsessed with skywhales as we are, someone should have noticed a book with a giant honking skywhale right in the name. Plus it has steampunk zepellins and mecha, so it should appeal a lot to the GOIO crowd.
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Not only have the summer crowd gone back to school, but there seems to have been an odd rash of computer mess-ups amongst the people I usually play with as well as a myriad of Youtubers, (Star, Minicorn, etc.). That's why I'm gone currently, can't play GoIO on my crap laptop.
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...Hell, just pair up a large or medium-large youtube/streamer and a steam sale, and you'll see Crap loads of people... However, not all of them are the kind of people that this community will tolerate. Only a fraction of the people from the sales are the kind of people who stick with the game and contribute positively to this community.
(Personally, it is such a chore keeping things civil when the small but vocal crowd of mysogynistic 12-year olds come in. Or those idiots who are like "Hail Hitler", or the trolls. I, as a reasonably sane, responsible human being frown upon those people, and can relate to those who take offense to those kinds of people.)
(I'm Jewish.)
Send em my way, I've got mines!
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Offtopic, but it's kind of odd that this is the first reference to westerfeld's leviathan I've seen on the forum. As obsessed with skywhales as we are, someone should have noticed a book with a giant honking skywhale right in the name. Plus it has steampunk zepellins and mecha, so it should appeal a lot to the GOIO crowd.
Off topic: Yeah that's actually kind of surprising, great book though.
On topic: The reasons have already been stated, a lot of us have started school up again and really have little time to actually play games while juggling homework, school activities, jobs, etc.
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You will be able to find a couple of matches going on at any time of the day. If you want to be picky though, you have to play during EU/US evenings (roughly 5pm-6am UTC).
GoIO isn't dead or about to die due to lack of players. We've got a solid players base which is rather dedicated to this game and our ranks tend to fill up with occasional promotion and steam-sale campaigns. That being said we could definitely use one of these campaigns again.
http://steamcharts.com/app/209080#1y
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Thanks a lot everyone ! I was scared about the future of this good game and i totally forgot about school... We don't see time passing up there, in the Leviathan ::)
Now that i know the game has a good base of players, i can play it as much as i want without any sad feels ! I hope we'll meet in game now, and i think i will post way more often in the forum. Y'all look pretty cool and friendly :)
(HRP : idrgbryuesbgzgu. Omniraptor, piemanlives. I mean, four people only told me they recognized me during games and waiting in the lobby and stuff. )
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Some of us may not play a lot, but hell no am I not going to be unknown on these forum lands!
You'll always find a friendly face here. Don't worry about it. All of us here are active people (to some extent) and work to spread the light atmosphere.
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just wanted to say hi, and yes we're very much alive. look forward to seeing you in game :)
I've been moving though, so when I get another chance to breathe, I'll be able to play more matches.
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There's only but a small percentage of people that dares play the game despite the "lobbies of icarus" issue, and most of the people that already left prefers going straight into the game action instead of preparing the right layout and setting yourselves up around the ship. Muse said there's the matchmaking system coming up with the next big patch, so if it will come with proper advertisement from youtubers and such, the playerbase may be more solid than it currently is. That of course depends on whether or not this matchmaking thing will be done properly, but it is a chance for the playerbase, amount of lobbies, and ease of finding a game to be significantly increased.
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It actually looks like we are approaching an all-time low. :/
http://steamcharts.com/app/209080#All
We need to get more hype! During the last steam sale I bought it for loads of friends who played a few matches, seemed to enjoy it, but then forgot about it and never played again.
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It actually looks like we are approaching an all-time low. :/
http://steamcharts.com/app/209080#All
We need to get more hype! During the last steam sale I bought it for loads of friends who played a few matches, seemed to enjoy it, but then forgot about it and never played again.
:(
the anniversary for the game is coming up; I'm hoping Muse has something in store that will bring in more players too.
yeah sparky I had that same issue...
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I think that one of the biggest problems with player retention is that the game is WAY more fun once you have a decent grasp on what you are doing and a group of people you enjoy playing with, so it can be hard for new players who don't have friends who play to get into, so they give up before they can experience the joy of a well-functioning team that really makes the game special. I don't know how to solve this. Maybe a well-advertised mentoring system that people can sign up for? I know people have suggested similar things in the past and I think it would be really neat.
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I think that one of the biggest problems with player retention is that the game is WAY more fun once you have a decent grasp on what you are doing and a group of people you enjoy playing with, so it can be hard for new players who don't have friends who play to get into, so they give up before they can experience the joy of a well-functioning team that really makes the game special. I don't know how to solve this. Maybe a well-advertised mentoring system that people can sign up for? I know people have suggested similar things in the past and I think it would be really neat.
I do think the CAs should be easier to find than they are at least, that's another thing. I'd like to see something off to the side of the big button that says Play for the CAs.
I've never thought about something like mentoring someone. that could be something. kind of set up similarly to the wanted list? hmmm. wonder if this is something the Museosaurs would want to police. wonder if the people on the list should have the ability to get into novice matches. wonder...a lot of things. hmmmmm. has a lot of potential, methinks.
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I went ahead and emailed Muse about the mentoring thing. Howard likes the idea at first glance; they're going to look into it more. :)
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I think that one of the biggest problems with player retention is that the game is WAY more fun once you have a decent grasp on what you are doing and a group of people you enjoy playing with, so it can be hard for new players who don't have friends who play to get into, so they give up before they can experience the joy of a well-functioning team that really makes the game special. I don't know how to solve this. Maybe a well-advertised mentoring system that people can sign up for? I know people have suggested similar things in the past and I think it would be really neat.
Nah solo players can find enjoyment as well. They just have to have their own goals or focus. Heck I'm a solo player. Part of a group now but I'm still generally solo most times I'm on.
Once I realized this is just like vehicles in Battlefield, except people can't just use me as transport and are forced to do things which keep the ship alive, it was a very easy to find enjoyment. In BF, I work on K/D ratio. Not for bragging rights but because I don't like meat grinder combat. Run, gun, respawn action doesn't excite me. Often times in BF if I go down, I'd lose my tank or chopper, then someone else would snag it before I'd respawn or get back. Then I'd watch them fly into AA fire and use it as transportation instead of trying to be effective. Half the time they'd get picked off in the air while chuting and I'd question what the point was of doing that. Its a moment when you're glad the military doesn't just let anyone pilot or drive because if they did, we'd have much higher casualty counts in wars.
Yes I'm a vehicle hog, but till people can prove they can survive longer than me, I see no point in giving up my tank/chopper. Especially not when I just watched the last idiot rush into a RPG nest and kill no one. Same basic thing transfers well to GOIO. If you're going to be a pilot, be effective. Make sure for every kill they get out of you, you take 2-3 down with you. The challenge of doing that with random crews is at times enjoyable and at times frustrating. But what is awesome about GOIO is, crews always recognize it and want to stay. "Hey, we didn't die at all did we?" is probably the best comment I get. I'm like, yeah what do you expect? I'm trying to fly not trying to die.
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This is a huge problem - the down peak means that both old and new players don't want to play goio. What has left is either a group that hasn't played long enough to say "F*ck it, I quit" or a group that will love that game no matter what (because reasons).
But basically when you look at it - no one cares and wants new players - I mean when a quite experienced player (like myself with >500h played and >1300 matches) go to the lobby and see a 1/1/1 captain (if he's a pilot - that's quite a success!) who played 20 or so matches - we just go find another lobby. Basically my way of dealing with small amount of players is playing only in prime time (which is luckily 8 pm - 2 am my time) and mostly catching up with my friends and clanmates. As someone said - the best lobbies are the one semi-organised when experienced players invite their experienced friends and they all play together.
I'd also like to notice that current tutorials are really bad, especially gunners and pilots. The engineer one is.... decent, barely decent. I recommend watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCPcn-Q5nKE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCPcn-Q5nKE)
Two quotes:
"If you don't entertain your viewers within 10 minutes - you're going to lose a lot of your audience"
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"Try to watch people going through your tutorial. Don't say anything, just watch them do it and listen what they say. Then advise them.
Which I had impression Muse didn't. Co-Op would be a great opportunity for better tutorials.
Edit: I also agree that this game bring most joy when you know what you're doing and you have a group of friends (from your life or met in the game) to play with.
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A lot of times I do like joining lobbys with a lot of new players in, mainly because its always a joy to find someone who listens and wants to learn how to play the game, but ofc, they need the right attitude for that which is sadly lacking in most new players.
Other times its nice to have a good challenge to be the only person on the ship that really knows how to play. (I do like to play with friends but pub stomping does get boring)
Problem with new players is that oftimes they have not got the right attitude and instead of learning the game and making friends simply quit and find an easier game. That said, I love this game for its complexity and would hate to see it dumbed down just for the sake of making more money...
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Problem with new players is that oftimes they have not got the right attitude and instead of learning the game and making friends simply quit and find an easier game.
I call them CoDdies :D
Players with short attention spans that need to be coddled or they quit within 5 mins after hitting their first mine.
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I keep seeing the same few people in-game. Is the active playerbase really that small?
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At which time?
I haven't popped in the game in a long time, and I consider myself a member of the playerbase. But, as far as I can tell, around 100+ people actively play this game 4/7 (four hours, seven days). Maybe people are just popping in the same matches because they're on a play streak and haven't logged off?
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I log in either in the afternoon or at night (my time zone's +8GMT btw). I wouldn't be surprised if I don't meet a portion of the playerbase due to time zone differences, but most of the time when I'm online I see familiar names. I also haven't seen more than 90 players in-game and "waiting" so to speak.