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Title: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Deltajugg on August 17, 2014, 10:52:05 pm
Out of boredom I made some ship pick/win ratings from HC tournament. If anyone's interested in numbers, here you go.

How to read Win/Loss:
Wins and Losses are direct wins and losses with particular ships, regardless of enemy ships and the amount of ships of one type in a team.If, for example, you had double pyra vs double pyra match, 2 additional wins and 2 additional losses are included in the total pool for pyramidion, one per every pyramidion that won/lost the match.


Anvil Division

84 ships
21 matches

Ship           Picked    Pick %  Win    Loss   Draw  W/L %

Pyramidion     52      61.9%    27      24        1     51.9%
Junker            12      15.8%     6        5         1     54.5%
Goldfish          11      13.1%     6        5         0     54.5%
Mobula             5        6.6%     0        3         2          0%
Galleon            4        5.3%     1         3         0        25%
Squid               0           0%     0         0         0          0%
Spire                0           0%     0         0         0          0%


Hammer Division

80 ships
20 matches

Ship           Picked    Pick %  Win    Loss   Draw  W/L %

Pyramidion    46      57.5%    25       21       0     54.3%
Goldfish         15      18.8%     5       10        0     33.3%
Junker             9      10.2%     4         5        0     44.4%
Mobula            5        5.7%     4         1        0        80%
Galleon           3         3.4%     1        2        0      33.3%
Spire               2        2.3%     1         1        0        50%
Squid              0           0%     0         0        0          0%


Cross Division

28 ships
7 matches

Ship           Picked    Pick %  Win    Loss   Draw  W/L %

Pyramidion    12      42.9%      6         6        0        50%
Junker             7         25%      3         4        0     42.9%
Goldfish          4       14.3%      3         1        0        75%
Galleon           2         7.1%     1         1        0         50%
Squid              2         7.1%     0         2        0           0%
Mobula           1          3.6%     1         0        0      100%
Spire              0             0%     0         0        0          0%


Silver Playoffs

36 ships
9 matches

Ship           Picked    Pick %  Win    Loss   Draw  W/L %

Pyramidion   21       58.3%    11      10         0     52.4%
Goldfish         6        16.7%     1        5          0     16.7%
Mobula          4        11.1%     4        0          0      100%
Junker           3          8.3%     1        2          0     33.3% 
Galleon          2         5.6%      1        1         0         50%
Squid             0            0%      0        0         0           0%
Spire              0            0%      0        0         0           0%


Golden Playoffs

44 ships
11 matches

Ship           Picked    Pick %  Win    Loss   Draw  W/L %

Pyramidion    29      65.9%     15      14        0     51.7%
Mobula            7      15.9%       6        1        0     85.7%
Goldfish           3        6.8%      1         2        0     33.3%
Junker             3        6.8%       0        3        0          0%
Spire               2        4.5%       0        2        0          0%
Galleon           0           0%       0        0        0          0%
Squid              0           0%       0        0        0          0%



TOTAL

272 ships
68 matches

Ship           Picked    Pick %  Win    Loss   Draw  W/L %

Pyramidion   160     58.8%    84     75         1      52.5%
Goldfish          39     14.3%    16     23         0         41%   
Junker            34      12.5%   14     19         1      41.2%
Mobula           22        8.1%   15       5         2      68.2% 
Galleon           11          4%     4       7         0       36.4% 
Spire                4        1.5%     1       3         0         25% 
Squid               2        0.7%     0       2         0           0%
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Queso on August 18, 2014, 12:04:29 am
Poor squid. It's one thing to be out of the meta (hi galleon!) and another to be completely left on the sidelines.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on August 18, 2014, 12:12:25 am
Poor squid. It's one thing to be out of the meta (hi galleon!) and another to be completely left on the sidelines.

Don't get me started...
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: AbbyTheRat on August 18, 2014, 12:37:47 am
indeed, the squid and Galleon do need a little adjustment to work in some sort of meta. Pyramidion is just used a lot because it can fit a lot of different meta with just it two forward facing light guns.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Dementio on August 18, 2014, 07:05:21 am
Mobula OP
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Melon McCrabernathy on August 18, 2014, 08:07:50 am
Mobula OP

Agreed
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Deltajugg on August 18, 2014, 08:11:03 am
Slight miscalculation on my side,I sometimes included draw matches while calculating W/L ratio, which I shouldn't do.


Proper statistics for ships with draws:

Anvil Division
Ship           Picked    Pick %  Win    Loss   Draw  W/L %

Pyramidion     52      61.9%    27      24        1     52.9%
Junker            12      15.8%     6        5         1     54.5%
Mobula             5        6.6%     0        3         2          0%

TOTAL

Ship           Picked    Pick %  Win    Loss   Draw  W/L %

Pyramidion   160     58.8%    84     75         1      52.8%
Junker            34      12.5%   14     19         1      42.4%
Mobula           22        8.1%   15       5         2      75%


Mobula even more OP
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Imagine on August 18, 2014, 11:45:35 am
I'm going to assume the majority of those mob wins came on Dunes.

Maybe some on Fjords.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Deltajugg on August 18, 2014, 01:02:26 pm
I'm going to assume the majority of those mob wins came on Dunes.

Maybe some on Fjords.

Majority of them came from Daniel on any map available, including Duel at Dawn, Paritan Rumble and Canyon Ambush :P
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Dementio on August 18, 2014, 01:13:10 pm
I'm going to assume the majority of those mob wins came on Dunes.

Maybe some on Fjords.

Majority of them came from Daniel on any map available, including Duel at Dawn, Paritan Rumble and Canyon Ambush :P

It's just the best ship, man.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Dutch Vanya on August 18, 2014, 05:47:33 pm
Mobula has always been a good ship on any map, they are now just acting like it is something special.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: GeoRmr on August 18, 2014, 05:55:43 pm
Thinks the mobula isn't special

Where is its balloon?

It was born special.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Dutch Vanya on August 18, 2014, 06:11:50 pm
Ok, The mobula is special. Dementio is not.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: GeoRmr on August 18, 2014, 06:13:46 pm
that's kinda mean

also kinda

wut.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Skrimskraw on August 18, 2014, 06:26:05 pm
this doesnt take into acount for same ship vs same ship matches.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Imagine on August 18, 2014, 06:30:03 pm
Mobula has always been a good ship on any map, they are now just acting like it is something special.
I beg to differ about the any map part, but the mobula is pretty underrated in the hands of the right pilot.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Skrimskraw on August 19, 2014, 06:28:51 am
with that former post I meant that if 2 pyras are going against eachother there will always be a loss and a win.
that doesnt show that it is more or less effective.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: pandatopia on August 19, 2014, 10:18:06 am
I would be interested to know the pyramidion loadout info and win/loss rate (aka how many of those were metamidions).

I would also be interested to know the most common ship pairings and their win/loss rate. I'd be very surprised I guess if the vast majority of games didn't feature at least one pyra on the team.

Also would like to know the general gun use rate, with a large weight (perhaps 4:1) towards front vs side facing guns. I wonder what the amount of sniping that went on is.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Deltajugg on August 19, 2014, 06:19:07 pm
I would be interested to know the pyramidion loadout info and win/loss rate (aka how many of those were metamidions).

I would also be interested to know the most common ship pairings and their win/loss rate. I'd be very surprised I guess if the vast majority of games didn't feature at least one pyra on the team.

Also would like to know the general gun use rate, with a large weight (perhaps 4:1) towards front vs side facing guns. I wonder what the amount of sniping that went on is.

Pyramidion Pick/Win Ratings based on Layout

Anvil Division

Ship                  Picked  Pick %   Win   Loss   Draw   W/L%
52 ships

Metamidion          20     38.5%    10      10                   50%
Hades/Flak            7     13.5%      5        2                71.4%
Gat/Carro              6     11.5%      4        2                66.7%
Carro/Flamer         5       9.6%      3        2                   60%
Carrot                   4        7.7%      3       1                   75%
Double Merc          3       5.8%       1       1        1         50%
Hades/Art              2       3.8%      1       1                    50%
Double Hades       2        3.8%      0       2                      0%
Double Gat            1       1.9%       0       1                     0%
Hades/Banshee    1        1.9%       0      1                      0%
Carro/Banshee     1        1.9%       0      1                      0%


Hammer Division

Ship                  Picked  Pick %   Win    Loss    W/L%
46 ships

Metamidion          23       50%     14        9     60.1%
Hades/Flak          13     28.3%      8        5      61.5%
Carrot                   4       8.7%       0        4           0%
Gat/Carro              2       4.3%      1        1         50%
Hades/Art              1       2.2%      1        0       100%
Art/Banshee          1        2.2%     1        0       100%
Double Merc          1        2.2%     0        1           0%
Carro/Flamer         1        2.2%     0        1           0%


Cross Divison

Ship                  Picked  Pick %   Win    Loss  W/L%
12 ships

Metamidion           6        50%      1         4    16.7%
Hades/Flak           3         25%      2         1   66.7%
Carrot                   2      16.7%     2         0    100%
Merc/Art                1        8.3%     1         0    100%


Silver Playoffs

Ship                  Picked  Pick %   Win  Loss   W/L%
21 ships

Metamidion          12     57.1%     7      5      58.3%
Merc/Art                 3     14.3%     2      1      66.7%
Hades/Flak            3     14.3%     1       2     33.3%
Double Hades       1        4.8%     1      0      100%
Carrot                   1        4.8%     0      1          0%
Gat/Carro              1       4.8%     0      1          0%


Golden Playoffs

Ship                  Picked  Pick %  Win   Loss   W/L%
29 ships

Metamidion          16     55.2%     9       7     56.3%
Hades/Flak            5     17.2%     2       3        40%
Merc/Art                 3     10.3%    1        2     33.3%
Double Merc          2       6.9%     1       1         50%
Gat/Carro              2       6.9%     1       1         50%
Carro/Flamer         1       3.4%     1       0       100%


TOTAL

Ship                  Picked  Pick %  Win   Loss   Draw   W/L%
160 ships

Metamidion          77    48.1%    41      36               53.2%
Hades/Flak           31   19.4%     18     13               58.1%
Gat/Carro             11     6.9%       6       5               54.5%     
Carrot                  11     6.9%       5       6                45.5%       
Merc/Art                 7     4.4%       4       3                57.1%       
Carro/Flamer          7     4.4%       4       3               57.1%       
Double Merc           6     3.8%       2       3        1        40%
Hades/Art              3     1.9%       2        1               66.7%     
Double Hades        3     1.9%       1        2               33.3%       
Art/Banshee          1      0.6%       1       0                100%     
Double Gat            1      0.6%       0       1                    0%     
Hades/Banshee     1      0.6%      0        1                    0%
Carro/Banshee      1      0.6%       0       1                    0%     




Also, as far as I cannot exactly promise gun usage ratings, I am eager to make the ship ratings based on their pairings.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: pandatopia on August 20, 2014, 10:34:37 am
You're the best Deltajugg!

The amount of metamidions is unsurprising - what is neat is that people seemed to enjoy a wide smattering of gun types on the pyramidion - more so I think than any other ship can boast - even those with more guns. I'd like to think this is a product of the dominance of the pyra - it is an extremely versatile platform that performs well basically in any scenario and teamcomp, with the right guns.

I am saddened (though unsurprised) to see the increase in the amount of metamidion usage during the playoffs - it seems people were more open to experimentation during the season but during the final stretch reverted to the "safe" and proven metamidion.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Imagine on August 20, 2014, 11:07:15 am
You're the best Deltajugg!

The amount of metamidions is unsurprising - what is neat is that people seemed to enjoy a wide smattering of gun types on the pyramidion - more so I think than any other ship can boast - even those with more guns. I'd like to think this is a product of the dominance of the pyra - it is an extremely versatile platform that performs well basically in any scenario and teamcomp, with the right guns.

I am saddened (though unsurprised) to see the increase in the amount of metamidion usage during the playoffs - it seems people were more open to experimentation during the season but during the final stretch reverted to the "safe" and proven metamidion.
Is it that, or is it just the teams that used metamidions during the regular season the ones that made it further in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: pandatopia on August 20, 2014, 11:12:17 am
Is it that, or is it just the teams that used metamidions during the regular season the ones that made it further in the playoffs?

Hmm, I dunno!

I thought up more interesting win/loss ratios though (because face it generally speaking the more it is picked the more often it will tend towards 50%).

Lets maybe get the data on the most dangerous "upset" ships?

Basically for every loss, we give the winning team's ships points equal to the amount of wins the loser had (in total, during the season).

For example if Team A had 30 wins and 2 losses, but both their losses were to double squid teams, squids would have 120 (2 ships each time, 2 wins, vs a 30 win team) points.

So for example our champions and runners up have lots of wins each, but I'm curious as to the ship comps of the ships that beat them.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: Queso on August 21, 2014, 01:45:47 pm
I want to see which ships are the meta crushers. Which ones beat metamidions, and which just generally beat pyras consistently.
Title: Re: Hephaestus Challenge Ship Pick/Win Ratings
Post by: pandatopia on August 21, 2014, 02:49:35 pm
I want to see which ships are the meta crushers. Which ones beat metamidions, and which just generally beat pyras consistently.

Twould be neat, but I bet you (I think I already owe you money...double or nothing!) that the majority of metamidion crushers are ... more metamidions.

Yea...