Guns Of Icarus Online
Info => Feedback and Suggestions => Topic started by: Lehran on March 20, 2013, 01:08:51 pm
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How many times has this happened to you?
You start a match, things are going well. Then your AI gets replaced by a level 1 or 2 pilot/gunner. You politely ask them to do a task, but they stay on a useless gun for the whole match, ignoring you, and you lose. What happened? You were most likely a victim of the quick join button.
The button no longer has a purpose in the game except to sabotage people in a match. Therefore I petition that this button be removed. Respond if you agree, or wish to add something.
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I have been for this in the old forum as well. This or make it smarter. The community is large enough to support matches without the need of what i think many people feel is an older system.
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Thirded :P
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fourthed
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Fifthed, Quick Join is the spawn of the devil and the source of all evil in the game.
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Sixthed, I too wish to see the death of Quick Join. Much of the wrath I spew in game is a side effect of that button.
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Seventhed. People will be better integrated into the community as well if they spend some time in the pregame lobbies as well. They'll be taught what equipment to bring, meet captains and crew and be better prepared to help the team to victory. Win win if you asked me.
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Eighthed. We need to get rid of the damn thing.
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Ninthed.
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Added a poll.
Anyways, there is absolutely no use for Quick Join. It just drops a player into a game with no preparation. They could and likely will be be the wrong class and have the wrong tools and rounds. It also negatively affects new players, since it'll just get them shouted at, and the captain won't get to explain anything about the game to them in the lobby.
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Wow, I've never seen you guys more unified, hahaha. Hey, if a common issue can bring you guys closer, who am I to ruin the party. :D
Ok, as of next week, we'll do 1 thing first, which is to stop midmatch join for quick join. That will help with the expectation issue. If quick join lands new players in the match lobby, at least the crewing is announced and known.
We're also looking at more comprehensive topics such as matchmaking, commendation, expanded tutorial, etc.
But we'l need to take it one step at a time.
Thanks! Howard
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Wow, I've never seen you guys more unified, hahaha. Hey, if a common issue can bring you guys closer, who am I to ruin the party. :D
Ok, as of next week, we'll do 1 thing first, which is to stop midmatch join for quick join. That will help with the expectation issue. If quick join lands new players in the match lobby, at least the crewing is announced and known.
We're also looking at more comprehensive topics such as matchmaking, commendation, expanded tutorial, etc.
But we'l need to take it one step at a time.
Thanks! Howard
Wow, thanks a lot Howard! That'll make such a huge difference.
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Howard.. if at all possible, can you make one other change to joining - could the lobby be locked in the last 4 or 10 seconds of the countdown timer? Midgame joiners are the worst, but you also get players parachuting into a match in the closing seconds of the timer, they've just come from a game a Gunner and planned on checking out the crew and adjusting role, but they have no time to do so and are now locked into the Resume timer if they try to change.
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Seconded on what PIckle said. It's one of the worst feelings to wait for the map to load knowing that there are two gunners on your ship (or worse, two pilots), and one of them is probably carrying the wrong ammo.
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Thirded, that almost happened to me today. Wow, this thread did more fast than I thought it would. Sweet
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Need some sort of option to lock the ship before match if you so choose. Or at least lock job.
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I didn't get a chance to write before a decision was made lol. But just so I can say it, I'm in favor of all of the above.
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Wow, I've never seen you guys more unified, hahaha. Hey, if a common issue can bring you guys closer, who am I to ruin the party. :D
Ok, as of next week, we'll do 1 thing first, which is to stop midmatch join for quick join. That will help with the expectation issue. If quick join lands new players in the match lobby, at least the crewing is announced and known.
We're also looking at more comprehensive topics such as matchmaking, commendation, expanded tutorial, etc.
But we'l need to take it one step at a time.
Thanks! Howard
I'd say that's very fair.
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So who is sabotaging who? Vets the Quick Joiners, Quick Joiners the Vets or the Vets are sabotaging other Vets with Quick Joining? Damn, I am confused now...
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So who is sabotaging who? Vets the Quick Joiners, Quick Joiners the Vets or the Vets are sabotaging other Vets with Quick Joining? Damn, I am confused now...
Quick Joiners are sabotaging everybody's games by joining mid-match with the wrong class and items.
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Or rather, the quick join feature is sabotaging everybody's games. The people doing the quick joining are assuming quick joining would use some sort of logic with where they're dropped.
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Or rather, the quick join feature is sabotaging everybody's games. The people doing the quick joining are assuming quick joining would use some sort of logic with where they're dropped.
That, or they're not assuming anything, and they're just using it because it's there and they don't want to wait. That was at least how I thought when I first started out (didn't last long).
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Or rather, the quick join feature is sabotaging everybody's games. The people doing the quick joining are assuming quick joining would use some sort of logic with where they're dropped.
That, or they're not assuming anything, and they're just using it because it's there and they don't want to wait. That was at least how I thought when I first started out (didn't last long).
You don't really expect a quickjoin feature to drop you into a game where everyone's yelling that the precious AI's been replaced and how your class has just ruined the match. I'm trying to seperate frustration with the feature from frustration with the players who are just trying to do what they should be able to do, join a match that needs them.
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So who is sabotaging who? Vets the Quick Joiners, Quick Joiners the Vets or the Vets are sabotaging other Vets with Quick Joining? Damn, I am confused now...
Quick Joiners are sabotaging everybody's games by joining mid-match with the wrong class and items.
sabotage [ˈsæbəˌtɑːʒ]
n
1. the deliberate destruction, disruption, or damage of equipment, a public service, etc., as by enemy agents, dissatisfied employees, etc.
Okay- okay, I sleep and see how every "quick joiner" sacrifice his life to ruin the game for everyone by choosing the "Pilot" class (oh Dear God, no!) with Spy glasses and constantly pressing "Quick Join".
Wake up, people. If I can choose Pilot and press Quick Join without any hints or mandatory tutorial how to play I will use it. You can't blame new players for doing what they are used to do in other games. *sigh
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So who is sabotaging who? Vets the Quick Joiners, Quick Joiners the Vets or the Vets are sabotaging other Vets with Quick Joining? Damn, I am confused now...
Quick Joiners are sabotaging everybody's games by joining mid-match with the wrong class and items.
sabotage [ˈsæbəˌtɑːʒ]
n
1. the deliberate destruction, disruption, or damage of equipment, a public service, etc., as by enemy agents, dissatisfied employees, etc.
Okay- okay, I sleep and see how every "quick joiner" sacrifice his life to ruin the game for everyone by choosing the "Pilot" class (oh Dear God, no!) with Spy glasses and constantly pressing "Quick Join".
Wake up, people. If I can choose Pilot and press Quick Join without any hints or mandatory tutorial how to play I will use it. You can't blame new players for doing what they are used to do in other games. *sigh
Ok, I phrased that badly. What I meant is that the Quick Join feature is poorly designed, and it's causing new players to make life hard for everybody. Not necessarily their fault.
And the use of the word sabotage wasn't originally by me anyways.
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Even that's phrased poorly though, the new player isn't having fun either and the new player isn't causing any trouble, it's the class that they have by default and the slot the game chooses to put them in. The mechanics of the game make it appear new players are dumber than they actually are.
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Even that's phrased poorly though, the new player isn't having fun either and the new player isn't causing any trouble, it's the class that they have by default and the slot the game chooses to put them in. The mechanics of the game make it appear new players are dumber than they actually are.
I just said that the mechanics are bad, not the players. Not sure why you're saying that it's poorly worded...
Whatever. Let's not start discussing that, since, regardless of any wording, we seem to generally agree that the mechanics are a big problem here.
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Yeesh, I didn't think the title could be taken so literally. I phrased it in a connotative sense to initiate response.
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nineteenthded, or something.
I always get quick joined with either a foreign Pilot who doesn't speak English (english feature isn't unlocked until level 3 of course)
or a 12 year old gunner who wants to shoot every single one of my guns at my team mates
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or a 12 year old gunner who wants to shoot every single one of my guns at my team mates
I think I've met him. And his friends.
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or a 12 year old gunner who wants to shoot every single one of my guns at my team mates
I think I've met him. And his friends.
At this point I think everybody has -_- some of his ilk were making fun of Russians in a lobby
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or a 12 year old gunner who wants to shoot every single one of my guns at my team mates
I think I've met him. And his friends.
At this point I think everybody has -_- some of his ilk were making fun of Russians in a lobby
I think I know who you're talking about. Does their captain refuse to go pilot as well?
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or a 12 year old gunner who wants to shoot every single one of my guns at my team mates
I think I've met him. And his friends.
At this point I think everybody has -_- some of his ilk were making fun of Russians in a lobby
I think I know who you're talking about. Does their captain refuse to go pilot as well?
Yeah I think he plays gunner or something
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or a 12 year old gunner who wants to shoot every single one of my guns at my team mates
I think I've met him. And his friends.
At this point I think everybody has -_- some of his ilk were making fun of Russians in a lobby
I think I know who you're talking about. Does their captain refuse to go pilot as well?
Yeah I think he plays gunner or something
THAT'S THE ONE
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or a 12 year old gunner who wants to shoot every single one of my guns at my team mates
I think I've met him. And his friends.
At this point I think everybody has -_- some of his ilk were making fun of Russians in a lobby
I think I know who you're talking about. Does their captain refuse to go pilot as well?
Yeah I think he plays gunner or something
THAT'S THE ONE
AHHHHHHHHHH
(http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/surprised-gasp-l.png)
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or a 12 year old gunner who wants to shoot every single one of my guns at my team mates
I think I've met him. And his friends.
At this point I think everybody has -_- some of his ilk were making fun of Russians in a lobby
I think I know who you're talking about. Does their captain refuse to go pilot as well?
Yeah I think he plays gunner or something
THAT'S THE ONE
AHHHHHHHHHH
(http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/surprised-gasp-l.png)
WE'VE ALL SEEN THEM!
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Yes, death to quick join, pretty please.
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what is the purpose of quickjoin?
i see it more like a russian invitation
(no offense to the russian goio players, but some of you dont speak english and shoot on teammates.)
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what is the purpose of quickjoin?
i see it more like a russian invitation
(no offense to the russian goio players, but some of you dont speak english and shoot on teammates.)
Let's not target specific groups of players and stick to the topic, please.
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^^
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It's twofold: I can definitely see the benefit of having a quick join button. Sometimes you just want to get in and play without wading through trying to find a match. That being said, as a captain I have fallen victim to the "quick join sabotage" countless times. Once in particular I remember checking my team halfway through a match to find I had two other pilots on my crew. This should not happen.
First off, if you're a brand new player, you really shouldn't be quick joining as a pilot. On top of that, you definitely shouldn't be able to be placed onto a crew as a pilot. Perhaps limit quick join to gunners and engineers? I also agree with locking the match to quick joiners once it's scheduled to start. I do very much appreciate the change to see the teams before joining mid-match; it's certainly a step in the right direction.
Basically I don't think the button needs to be removed altogether, but it does need to continue to be reworked.
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THREE COMMON MYTHS ABOUT QUICK JOIN, DEBUNKED:
1. Quick Join put a second/third/fourth Pilot on my ship!
False! If you hit Quick Join as a Pilot, it will put you into an empty Captain slot in a pre-match lobby (Pilots never quick-join a running match). That second/third/fourth Pilot that joined your ship did so on purpose by selecting your match from the match list, not by hitting Quick Join.
2. Quick Join replaced my last AI Engineer with a Gunner and now I have no engineers!
False! Quick Join will not put anyone in a slot if that would lead to there being more than two gunners or engineers on that boat. It's MAYBE possible that Quick Join would steal your only engineer if you already had two pilots and one gunner on a boat, but it's unlikely. Your third Powder Monkey probably just joined from the match list.
3. Quick Join is a cruel joke inflicted upon innocent players by stony-hearted and immovable gods.
Actually, this one is true.
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THREE COMMON MYTHS ABOUT QUICK JOIN, DEBUNKED:
1. Quick Join put a second/third/fourth Pilot on my ship!
False! If you hit Quick Join as a Pilot, it will put you into an empty Captain slot in a pre-match lobby (Pilots never quick-join a running match). That second/third/fourth Pilot that joined your ship did so on purpose by selecting your match from the match list, not by hitting Quick Join.
2. Quick Join replaced my last AI Engineer with a Gunner and now I have no engineers!
False! Quick Join will not put anyone in a slot if that would lead to there being more than two gunners or engineers on that boat. It's MAYBE possible that Quick Join would steal your only engineer if you already had two pilots and one gunner on a boat, but it's unlikely. Your third Powder Monkey probably just joined from the match list.
False! There's no indication that a match is running from the lobby screen (only indication is from the match screen, in not-bolded easily ignorable text), so an unwitting player will often click a slot just to be instantly transported into the game with whatever role they had last, and now you're stuck with two gunners and a pilot. Like myself. Every fucking time.
It's like a surpise quickjoin.
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An observation and a question Clara..
Observation - I think it was Eric that was a lot cagier and lots less definitive when he described how quick join worked, and implied that it was possible for quick join to drop three of the same class, but it would try not to. It's logical that should be the case. If quick join can't create new matches, then unless quick join is disabled if the joining preferences can't be complied with, it's inevitable that situations could arise where you could get a second pilot or three of the same class as a result of quick join.
I'm not sure what the status is regarding mid-match quick join, or the suggestion for a protected period of the countdown timer. Howard hasn't returned to update us.
Question - pretty please.. when are we expecting 1.1.6/1.2 ;)
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Version 1.2 is coming before the end of the month.
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So now when I see a third gunner or a second pilot join my ship mid game I can assume that they saw the crew they would be flying with and chose to be the least effective member on it?
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So now when I see a third gunner or a second pilot join my ship mid game I can assume that they saw the crew they would be flying with and chose to be the least effective member on it?
No, it's more likely they clicked on an open spot and got whisked away to the game before getting a chance to change their class.
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Joining a match just when it closes will lock you in as well without letting you even see the lobby screen. Pretty annoying.
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Joining a match just when it closes will lock you in as well without letting you even see the lobby screen. Pretty annoying.
Generally, you can abandon match, switch role & adjust it and get back in relatively fast (before the first fight). Annoying I know, but better than playing an entire match as a second gunner on a goldfish.
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Joining a match just when it closes will lock you in as well without letting you even see the lobby screen. Pretty annoying.
Generally, you can abandon match, switch role & adjust it and get back in relatively fast (before the first fight). Annoying I know, but better than playing an entire match as a second gunner on a goldfish.
Nope. You have to stay out of the match until the three minute timer runs out before you can rejoin as a different class, unless the latest patch changed how that works.
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Joining a match just when it closes will lock you in as well without letting you even see the lobby screen. Pretty annoying.
Generally, you can abandon match, switch role & adjust it and get back in relatively fast (before the first fight). Annoying I know, but better than playing an entire match as a second gunner on a goldfish.
Nope. You have to stay out of the match until the three minute timer runs out before you can rejoin as a different class, unless the latest patch changed how that works.
The patch isn't out yet.
And wrong. You don't need to wait. Instead of pressing resume, you can go into the match list and select the match manually. You'll then rejoin with your new class.
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Joining a match just when it closes will lock you in as well without letting you even see the lobby screen. Pretty annoying.
Generally, you can abandon match, switch role & adjust it and get back in relatively fast (before the first fight). Annoying I know, but better than playing an entire match as a second gunner on a goldfish.
Nope. You have to stay out of the match until the three minute timer runs out before you can rejoin as a different class, unless the latest patch changed how that works.
The patch isn't out yet.
And wrong. You don't need to wait. Instead of pressing resume, you can go into the match list and select the match manually. You'll then rejoin with your new class.
I could have sworn I've tried that before plenty of times trying to find a way around that timer. Guess I was doing something wrong then. Still annoying, though, and it doesn't undermine my point about new crew still being tricked by the UI.
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http://i.imgur.com/BtSXm32.jpg
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Almost didn't click the link, glad I did, got a good laugh out of it.
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The link was not removed, but optimized.... now the system does not dump the player into running matches, but into waiting matches (I believe it also searches for 1-3 lvl matches first if the user fits that criteria)... So now if you get a pilot mid match, it's b/c he did it manually either as a troll, or he truly forgot which role he had selected...
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In fact, Quick Join will always drop a level 1-2 player into a beginner match, and will create a new beginner match for them if the existing ones are all full. Low-level players can only join a non-beginner match manually.
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So that is why low level players haven't been joining my ship mid game as the wrong class. Last night I went into a game with nothing but AI, and they stayed AI throughout the entire game, this is a great relief. My blood pressure thanks you, the throbbing vein above my right eye thanks you, and I thank you.
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There should be a button for the ship captain to prevent quick-joiners coming on their ship.
Not only that, that you were doing fine with an AI Engineer, but for example on a Goldfish, a 2nd gunner joins and screws things up. Why do you need 2 gunners, especially on a ship like Goldfish for example? Not to mention that, whenever your "trusted" gunner leaves the middle gun, these people can get inside them and screw every one shot they fire...
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In fact, Quick Join will always drop a level 1-2 player into a beginner match, and will create a new beginner match for them if the existing ones are all full. Low-level players can only join a non-beginner match manually.
That's awesome. What an elegant solution.