Guns Of Icarus Online
Main => World => Topic started by: Mepic Von Shreck on October 23, 2013, 11:09:13 am
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So, I was walking along my merry way, when I almost fell over from the realisation that GOI ships would be next-to-impossible to land/dock.
Like, if they came down as hot air balloons would, the bottom structures would be damaged. For ships such as Spires, how would they land at all in that sense? Is there some kind of huge landing structure that would fit every single ship?
Are all ships in the GOI setting all of the same class? Surely there would be a lot of difference, especially with Junker-like ships, so how could these ships dock without breaking bits off?
I need to know this, else I will never be able to sleep again.
Aaarhggahrgahrghgarhgarhghgh
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Past airships didn't land to off board passengers and goods, they landed at preconstructed airship docks such as this.
http://www.blogto.com/upload/2013/05/20130504-R100-Montreal.jpg
Originally the large spire on the empire state building was intended for this function. The planners unfortunately forgot to account for wind, oh and then that hindenburg thing happened.
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Past airships didn't land to off board passengers and goods, they landed at preconstructed airship docks such as this.
http://www.blogto.com/upload/2013/05/20130504-R100-Montreal.jpg
Originally the large spire on the empire state building was intended for this function. The planners unfortunately forgot to account for wind, oh and then that hindenburg thing happened.
Right, thanks. But then, how would they get repairs done? The same dock?
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Everything is repaired by the crew mid flight through concussive maintenance withe hammers and wrenches.
It's like your new to airships or something.
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I would assume docks are extremely large (mostly to accommodate for galleons). Of course, large docks would only be possible in large cities with heavy trade or military installations. For small towns and cities, Smollet's pic would probably be the best thing they have.
As far as 'landing', I'd have to guess the balloons on all ships would still be active to prevent any touching (which then means the docks are positioned probably a couple hundred feet higher than the ground level of a city).
Of course, keeping the balloon active would require the crew to throw down a lot of lines to keep the ship from drifting either naturally or when a heavy storm comes rolling through. Even then, dock workers would have to regularly check all the docked ships' balloons to ensure there are no leaks causing the ships to 'sink'.
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This is a thing that can only be explained by crappy MS Paint!
(http://i.imgur.com/Wc7xcDo.jpg)
And a side view
(http://i.imgur.com/r20nQeg.jpg)
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Well, judging by Muse's adventure mode concept art, it'd be something like this...
(http://i.imgur.com/6ydqOfx.jpg)
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Well, judging by Muse's adventure mode concept art, it'd be something like this...
That looks EXACTLY like what I drew.
>.>
<.<
*cough*
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Well, judging by Muse's adventure mode concept art, it'd be something like this...
That looks EXACTLY like what I drew.
>.>
<.<
*cough*
Yours was better!
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Right, thanks. But then, how would they get repairs done? The same dock?
Ever heard of an airship hanger?
(http://obviousmag.org/archives/uploads/2008/08011102_blog.uncovering.org_hangar-moffett.jpg)
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... that hindenburg thing happened.
Must.
Resist.
Claiming Clan responsibility.
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... that hindenburg thing happened.
Must.
Resist.
Claiming Clan responsibility.
The Hindenburg disaster was the turning point of the disuse of airships. Are you saying that Cake wished for airships to stop being used?
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there's also some hints in the maps of the docks..
and OMG :o
Next time if i want a very complicated issue to be explained i'll ask imagine to do it in paint!! :D
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... that hindenburg thing happened.
Must.
Resist.
Claiming Clan responsibility.
The Hindenburg disaster was the turning point of the disuse of airships. Are you saying that Cake wished for airships to stop being used?
All I'm saying is that there was a lot of fire.
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Right, thanks. But then, how would they get repairs done? The same dock?
Ever heard of an airship hanger?
(http://obviousmag.org/archives/uploads/2008/08011102_blog.uncovering.org_hangar-moffett.jpg)
Please Hamster, my explanation for airship repairs is much more logical and realistic.
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Oh look... Moffett Field... My local Airship hangar... unfortunately the covering was removed due to it being asbestos-based.
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Well, judging by Muse's adventure mode concept art, it'd be something like this...
That looks EXACTLY like what I drew.
>.>
<.<
*cough*
You probably would have a case if you took Muse to court over this!
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The only way I've landed is when an enemy kills me and the pieces of my ship (and crew) fall onto the beautiful scenery.
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One thing that bothers me about keeping a ship in the air while docked: If the balloon needs hot air to remain afloat (if it was filled with a light gas it wouldn't be able to sink and rise again), you'd need that energy to come from somewhere. Would the dock workers have to run around tossing coal into the engines of all the ships if the crew was out and about the town?
Maybe you could have a dock with adjustable width, to allow the two ends of a ship to land? Maybe secure the ships to a structure above them with strong rope and sort of let them hang in place? In the latter case maybe have smaller flat-bottomed air-boats to tow the crew to and from various heights of ship?
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Maybe you could have a dock with adjustable width, to allow the two ends of a ship to land? Maybe secure the ships to a structure above them with strong rope and sort of let them hang in place? In the latter case maybe have smaller flat-bottomed air-boats to tow the crew to and from various heights of ship?
Based on the concept art, that is indeed the case. Two poles extend from the dock and the ship can rest on them.
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One thing that bothers me about keeping a ship in the air while docked: If the balloon needs hot air to remain afloat (if it was filled with a light gas it wouldn't be able to sink and rise again)
This isn't true. Hybrid airships currently alter altitude by compressing lighter than air gas into tanks and allowing air back into the cavity. That being said, I'm sure the system works completely differently since it's super obvious that the balloons are filled with dark matter.
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This isn't true. Hybrid airships currently alter altitude by compressing lighter than air gas into tanks and allowing air back into the cavity.
That seems like an inconvenient way to run a battleship with a balloon constantly being shot at and repaired, given that the lighter-than-air gas would be harder to recover than hot air, though I thank you for the insight.
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Which begs the question of why, when explosives are blowing holes in our balloons, we choose to bang on the pump with hammers.
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One thing that bothers me about keeping a ship in the air while docked: If the balloon needs hot air to remain afloat (if it was filled with a light gas it wouldn't be able to sink and rise again)
This isn't true. Hybrid airships currently alter altitude by compressing lighter than air gas into tanks and allowing air back into the cavity. That being said, I'm sure the system works completely differently since it's super obvious that the balloons are filled with dark matter.
May see this touched upon in the VN. Prototype design I've been working in is there is a valve shutoff which seals the system. Keeps it afloat when docked.
If you look at some of the ship designs, it is clear they were never made to be flown without their balloons. Pyra alone should not be able to maintain it's structure without it. There is no framework that connects top to bottom other than the ladder and that isn't strong enough to hold up the armored bow.
Chaladon and Anglean I believe are the only two nations which utilize ships capable of water landings. Most traders would likely modify their ships with water landing capabilities if they expected to trade anywhere near a coast. Prototype design we're using in the VN takes this into account.
Spires I don't think are trading vessels. I think they're border defense or guard ships. The design is too slow and would require too much customization of docks. Makes more sense to me for them to be deployed around capital cities from their own custom berths. Trouble happens, all they'd have to do is fly up and start raining fire.
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my ship will never land, it will faceplant down into the ground.
i dont think they aren't made for landing.
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Right, thanks. But then, how would they get repairs done? The same dock?
Ever heard of an airship hanger?
(http://obviousmag.org/archives/uploads/2008/08011102_blog.uncovering.org_hangar-moffett.jpg)
That picture reminds me to some structeres in the Desert, that i usually fly through. And i think i allready tried to dock there or at least my gunner tried to jump down to the stage. I will take a screenshot next time.
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You mean the ribs to the massive airship on dunes that are scattered around?
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you mean the old TFD partyboat?
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I still blame that on you Coldcurse.
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Really?!?!? :D
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I still blame that on you Coldcurse.
Please refer to rule #1 of Guns of Icarus.
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Anything within the confines of TFD can not be blamed on Shink, for fear of Shink's soul being stolen will nullify the blame we place upon him.
On another note, shall we bring this back on topic?
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It would be interesting to see if muse add a feature like docking to adventure mode so you could walk to say a shop or mechanic to buy bullets or repairs parts of the ship, maybe each ship has a unique landing bay designed for them for i imagine the lands they come from will all have different docks, i dare say the squid should be able to land in water and turn in to a hover craft ;)
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he blames me because it your fault shinkurex
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Anything within the confines of TFD can not be blamed on Shink, for fear of Shink's soul being stolen will nullify the blame we place upon him.
On another note, shall we bring this back on topic?
who are you? some sort of lawyer?
dont worry we will make sure justice will be shot upon you.
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You mean the ribs to the massive airship on dunes that are scattered around?
Yes, the ribs. And i finally got the screenshot:
(http://www7.pic-upload.de/thumb/09.12.13/wveks4sjwoat.jpg) (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-21576239/2013-11-28_00002.jpg.html)
At least it should be able to dock there.