Guns Of Icarus Online
Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lord Cooch on September 11, 2013, 01:58:52 am
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I just finished a game with some kid who thought he was gonna act like a big tough guy and be disrespectful to myself. I told him I hadn't played in a while so I may be a bit rusty and he called me a Troll. I asked him why he was being so rude and he said he didn't give a sh**. I told him if he enjoyed GoI he should be respectful to players in order to make it more user-friendly and gain a bigger player base as oppose to everyone being rude and watching the player base dwindle down further, reference: COD. He just told me if it bothered me I should mute him but It bugs me so much when I encounter players like this because doesn't everyone just want to be mature and be treated with respect? The problem with this is that I have encountered several players like this in GoI Online. Needless to say I think that all players should lead by example and turn this growing trend around. I'm not saying I'm golden, because I have had a warning for using profanity but never intentionally at someone. I seriously think the community should step up their game on this one.
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So.... while sorry about you have a few bad experiences, but if you look through these forums you'll see that most people actually consider this to be one of the better communities. If you're having a problem with someone feel free to block them and move on, it's probably better than worry about it. Not really going to be able to magically turn the few a-holes in the game into something better, that's pretty much how the internet works.
My point though is don't lump everyone who plays into that category, because most here are not like it.
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Well, what you met was a troll, and a rare one, because he actually gave you some good advice: block him.
Most of the GoI players I encounter are pretty polite compared to other communities I could, but won't, name. That said, every community has it's trolls and jerks. Welcome to the internet.
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You weren't per chance in a level locked beginner lobby were you?
User experience varies greatly there.
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You weren't per chance in a level locked beginner lobby were you?
User experience varies greatly there.
Most reports I get from new players who start there are pretty bad. It is like the blocked up toilet in a wretched hive of scum and villany.
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Most reports I get from new players who start there are pretty bad. It is like the blocked up toilet in a wretched hive of scum and villany.
So you're saying it's like Detroit?
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Most reports I get from new players who start there are pretty bad. It is like the blocked up toilet in a wretched hive of scum and villany.
So you're saying it's like Detroit?
My French teacher is from Detroit.
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Most reports I get from new players who start there are pretty bad. It is like the blocked up toilet in a wretched hive of scum and villany.
I'm not too sure that generalised n00b bashing gives automatic access to the moral high ground of a topic, even when done jokingly, it may give others the wrong impression that high level players are elitist and condescending.
If you discount the people who will probably not be joining the player base in the long term - there isn't really much difference between the players in the level locked matches and non.
As to the OP - the correct thing to do as others have said is just block. Most of the bad attitudes are picked up as a conditioned reflex in other games and people who enjoy that kind of interaction probably won't stay in this game .
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As to the OP - the correct thing to do as others have said is just block. Most of the bad attitudes are picked up as a conditioned reflex in other games and people who enjoy that kind of interaction probably won't stay in this game .
The many that I saw that acted that way in the last huge influx with that totalbiscuit thing...Iunno...
Anyways, many of them left after facing the "elitists" because...well stacked teams on that matter I guess...
And the others got to level 5 acting like that, and I haven't seen many of those again. I do remember them gloating about achievement farming....
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My French teacher is from Detroit.
Tell them I said "Mes sincères condoléances"
xD
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My French teacher is from Detroit.
Tell them I said "Mes sincères condoléances"
xD
:P
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As to the OP - the correct thing to do as others have said is just block. Most of the bad attitudes are picked up as a conditioned reflex in other games and people who enjoy that kind of interaction probably won't stay in this game .
The many that I saw that acted that way in the last huge influx with that totalbiscuit thing...Iunno...
Anyways, many of them left after facing the "elitists" because...well stacked teams on that matter I guess...
And the others got to level 5 acting like that, and I haven't seen many of those again. I do remember them gloating about achievement farming....
just a clarification - I don't look on high level players as being elitist.
And yes I've met a few bad pennies around the level 3-5 mark too but they don't seem to stay on in the game, given that the game culture of GoI isn't welcoming to braggadoccio and predatory behaviour.
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**** you, we are not ****ing rude, you ****, ******* **** and ********** sweetroll!
I just typed a lot of random asterisks, it's a joke!
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**** you, we are not ****ing rude, you ****, ******* **** and ********** sweetroll!
Damn, **** just got real!
As to the topic, yes, there has been an influx of bad eggs recently. Every time someone popular on YouTube or whatever gives us a signal boost, a mass of new players hits us, often not truly knowing what they're getting into. It seems about only a third of these newer players stay and confirm to the Guns of Icarus society. The others either lose interest and stop playing, or get upset when they see they can't play well without the help of others/requires strategy.
"I bought this game, I can't pwn teh n00bs by myself, I can't pay to win, I can't farm for uber equipment, I have to actually think to play this game, I don't like thinking.... Might as well troll." - FPS tryhards.
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[...] or get upset when they see they can't play well without the help of others/requires strategy.
"I bought this game, I can't pwn teh n00bs by myself, I can't pay to win, I can't farm for uber equipment, I have to actually think to play this game, I don't like thinking.... Might as well troll." - FPS tryhards.
I think that's a valid point, and something that I see from time to time, albeit somewhat rarely. Players who think they can just charge into a ship with whatever idea is in their head, work alone, and get kills. It can be frustrating on both ends, because from our perspective, here is a player who will actively resist what strategy we give and just sort of do their own thing, and from their perspective, "WHY ARE THESE GUYS TAKING SO LONG I KNOW WHAT TO DO I GOT MY AMMO I PWN AT COD THESE N00BS JUST DONT KNOW *foams at the mouth*"
I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea. I think more often than not, however, I do see players who want to learn but they see lobbies with a lot of high numbers and they're afraid to ask questions, and I feel they get frustrated when they lose or when they don't understand what's going on in the bigger picture. I like it when a lower level player takes the ammo I tell them to bring, but I like it more when they say "Why that ammo for that gun?" I feel like I'm helping to forge a better player xD
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The many that I saw that acted that way in the last huge influx with that totalbiscuit thing...Iunno...
I-I'm from the TGS Swarm....
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The many that I saw that acted that way in the last huge influx with that totalbiscuit thing...Iunno...
I-I'm from the TGS Swarm....
..... Markiplier >.>
I conformed though. XD
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The many that I saw that acted that way in the last huge influx with that totalbiscuit thing...Iunno...
I-I'm from the TGS Swarm....
..... Markiplier >.>
I conformed though. XD
I know :V
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Natural progression of new players in Guns of Icarus Online
Join Guns of Icarus Online.
Probably go Gunner.
Fall in love with the Hwacha.
Have Hwacha used against you; declare it "OP" in the forums.
Go engineer or pilot.
Get yelled at for bringing the wrong tools, hitting the wrong components, or generally running into things.
Go on forums and tell the community that the community sucks.
General population comes out to comfort you, insists that you haven't yet actually met the community.
Meet cool people. Have a few good matches. Like the feeling.
Scream at people for bringing the wrong tools, hitting the wrong components, or generally running into things. Wonder why the newer new players are so upset.
What you're feeling is totally natural. Don't worry, you'll be on to the next phase before you know it. Stick with it!
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Natural progression of new players in Guns of Icarus Online
Join Guns of Icarus Online.
Probably go Gunner.
Fall in love with the Hwacha.
Have Hwacha used against you; declare it "OP" in the forums.
Go engineer or pilot.
Get yelled at for bringing the wrong tools, hitting the wrong components, or generally running into things.
Go on forums and tell the community that the community sucks.
General population comes out to comfort you, insists that you haven't yet actually met the community.
Meet cool people. Have a few good matches. Like the feeling.
Scream at people for bringing the wrong tools, hitting the wrong components, or generally running into things. Wonder why the newer new players are so upset.
What you're feeling is totally natural. Don't worry, you'll be on to the next phase before you know it. Stick with it!
Nonono, noone has ever been yelled at for bringing the wrong tools. People are being yelled at because the pilot says "spanner, mallet, extinguisher" and then finds out that guy is running around buff hammer and chemical spray. Not listening remains by far the biggest offense a new player can make.
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Suggested loadout: "spanner, mallet, extinguisher"
Actual loadout: "buff hammer and chemical spray."
That's, uh...that's definitely bringing the wrong tools, man.
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It looks to me like im the only guy lucky enought to not have gone through what Charon has just posted. i joined with friends and learned together. they left by their own choice and i carried on clanless for a good while until captain kirk found me cold and alone in an alley :( I've heard other people talking ....flak... (i'll call it that but you know what i mean) to others and i've stood up for them, There is only a few people on this game that i've had to block. One for being Offensive and annoying to my fellow clanmate <3 and others for just being so evil and foul-mouthed, 99% of the people playing this game are great and you can get along well with, Don't allow the 1% to ruin this amazing game for you. And when you get to the stage where you know what you're doing, try not to shout at people and instead encourage and advise them :) help get us out of the loop :)
And i run Pipe wrench buff hammer and chem spray most of the time. its a good loadout but best for gungineer :P
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Suggested loadout: "spanner, mallet, extinguisher"
Actual loadout: "buff hammer and chemical spray."
That's, uh...that's definitely bringing the wrong tools, man.
No, if I were not to say anything to him, I have no right to complain to my crew for having them all bring buff, wrench and chemical spray(which is still very wrong). It's the fact that I(or others) explicitly tell someone to do something and he does something else that grinds my gears.
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Yeah, you're right. He didn't bring the gear you told him to bring, but somehow that's not bringing the wrong gear. Anyway, let's get back to the thread, QKO. You've got a couple other ones reserved for arguing by now, I'm sure.
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Suggested loadout: "spanner, mallet, extinguisher"
Actual loadout: "buff hammer and chemical spray."
That's, uh...that's definitely bringing the wrong tools, man.
No, if I were not to say anything to him, I have no right to complain to my crew for having them all bring buff, wrench and chemical spray(which is still very wrong). It's the fact that I(or others) explicitly tell someone to do something and he does something else that grinds my gears.
Yeah, if you've directly asked them for a certain loadout and they completely ignore you and possibly not even tell you they don't care. THAT would definately get them a nicely advised request then a sigh. then a black mark on my list to be wary of playing with again... i have paperback so don't think you can hide from me!!!!! xD
But obviously QKO its wrong in your eyes while in his/her eyes it might be correct. i've actually had two engies both as buffers... while i panicked at first it was fun to see every component glowing yellow with a creamy coat xD
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When one of my crew brings a buff hammer without my knowledge, I'm usually pleasantly surprised.
"Holy crap, we're going up so fast! Weeee!"
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Yeah, you're right. He didn't bring the gear you told him to bring, but somehow that's not bringing the wrong gear. Anyway, let's get back to the thread, QKO. You've got a couple other ones reserved for arguing by now, I'm sure.
No, there's one thread for bashing me, I'd be getting something proper going there but they really don't want to.
Yeah, if you've directly asked them for a certain loadout and they completely ignore you and possibly not even tell you they don't care. THAT would definately get them a nicely advised request then a sigh. then a black mark on my list to be wary of playing with again... i have paperback so don't think you can hide from me!!!!! xD
But obviously QKO its wrong in your eyes while in his/her eyes it might be correct. i've actually had two engies both as buffers... while i panicked at first it was fun to see every component glowing yellow with a creamy coat xD
Exactly, difference in opinions can happen. And if I didn't state my conditions at the start of the game, I have no business questioning their judgement ingame. That is why the 'wrong' loadout in itself isn't something I yell at people for, it's the fact I stated to them they should get something different and they either ignored me or (often silently) refused.
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The buff hammer has grown more acceptable in my eyes ever since muse changed the shader system so it wouldn't give your ship away through clouds. I was pretty rude to the people who brought buff hammer on my ship prior to that patch. Usualy along the lines of:
"Be Vewwy vewwy quiet I'm hunting goldfish, GOD DAMN IT WHO BUFFED THE ENGINES? now they can see us."
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I think you guys are being a little harsh to to some of these newer players. Yeah, a lot of people come into the game and don't really understand what it's about, but can you really blame them?
We, as gamers, are conditioned to see the individual as the basic building block of competitive play. Even on games that encourage 'teamwork,' you're still mostly playing as an individual whose actions contribute to the team. In many of those, sufficiently good performance on your own is enough to carry a team, even without a lot of explicit cooperation. And yes, in games like Call of Duty, "teams" are often just a collection of people who don't shoot at each other, and don't have to engage in any kind of collective strategy at all.
In GoIO, the individual is not the basic building block of play- the ship is. I can be the best gunner in the world, but if I don't have a captain that can point the ship at the enemy, I contribute nothing. And the best engineer in the world can only enforce a stalemate, unless/until the gunners kill the enemy. Finally, a captain is often only as good as his crew- you can lead a ship to the enemy, but you can't make people shoot them.
My point here is, if you don't know much about the game before coming, it's not that hard to see why people don't really 'get' right away just how much collective action is important in this game. Of those people, some will get good advice that they'll take to heart, becoming valuable members of the community. Some will learn a little bit on their own, and at least not be actively awful. And yes, some will refuse to learn anything at all about what makes this game different, and either make trolls of themselves (in which case you should block them) or give up and leave. And then they're not (y)our problem anymore.
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I think you guys are being a little harsh to to some of these newer players. Yeah, a lot of people come into the game and don't really understand what it's about, but can you really blame them?
We, as gamers, are conditioned to see the individual as the basic building block of competitive play. Even on games that encourage 'teamwork,' you're still mostly playing as an individual whose actions contribute to the team. In many of those, sufficiently good performance on your own is enough to carry a team, even without a lot of explicit cooperation. And yes, in games like Call of Duty, "teams" are often just a collection of people who don't shoot at each other, and don't have to engage in any kind of collective strategy at all.
In GoIO, the individual is not the basic building block of play- the ship is. I can be the best gunner in the world, but if I don't have a captain that can point the ship at the enemy, I contribute nothing. And the best engineer in the world can only enforce a stalemate, unless/until the gunners kill the enemy. Finally, a captain is often only as good as his crew- you can lead a ship to the enemy, but you can't make people shoot them.
My point here is, if you don't know much about the game before coming, it's not that hard to see why people don't really 'get' right away just how much collective action is important in this game. Of those people, some will get good advice that they'll take to heart, becoming valuable members of the community. Some will learn a little bit on their own, and at least not be actively awful. And yes, some will refuse to learn anything at all about what makes this game different, and either make trolls of themselves (in which case you should block them) or give up and leave. And then they're not (y)our problem anymore.
I don't know what CoD you've been playing. But CoD4, when it was still competitive, definitely had team organisation which is mandatory. The same thing applies to CS. If players just do whatever they want in those games, the team is going to die. There is no "I'll just score 5 headshots" when your opposing team is as strong as you are.
Also, don't forget that a team consists of individuals, they usually work together to achieve a goal, or just point fingers and blame eachother. But the players still remain the most basic building blocks, Together they become a unit that control 1 ship and that ship has to cooperate with 1,2 or 3 more ships to achieve a goal. This is a very pragmatic view, which means it's correct:P Sadly, it also means that it takes on individual to weaken a full team and some weaknesses are harder to compensate for than others.
We are not harsh on newcomers. When newcomers join, they can make mistakes. But you can tell mistakes from intentional fuckups. When a player is not listening, it is not a mistake, if that player refuses to accept your advice, it is not a mistake... Disobedience is what makes a crew weak and a captain has the job to deal with those people. Sadly, to my knowledge, besides leaving and yelling there aren't many options. And so yes, yelling can seem harsh, but it's the only immediate tool available to fix any weakness within the team. It's not like I never get yelled at or get lectured on my behavior on a ship. It just happens less because I understand my role and understand my captain's responsibilities.
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QKO, once again I pretty much disagree with you completely. You say you're not harsh on newcomers, but your suggestions on how to deal with them pretty much always assume the worst- that players who don't learn quickly enough are "intentional f***ups." (watch your language, please) Saying things like "disobedience makes a crew weak" is a pretty harsh way to approach your crew, and I doubt it's the most productive way to get people to work with you. In my opinion, there is absolutely no situation in which you should be yelling at another player. Explain what they're doing wrong, suggest what you think they could do better and attempt to lead them to a better way of playing. Don't just write them off as "a weakness" and then complain about what "awful" players you have to deal with.
My point was that, in GoIO, you win or lose as a crew. The ship is to GoIO as the individual player is to pretty much every other game out there. You have to cooperate, not just to win, but to even play the game in any real fashion. Imagine an FPS where you had three people controlling the same space marine- one handled the movement, one aimed the gun and one chose when to fire. To an experienced FPS player, it sounds insanely complex. You have to coordinate the most basic actions in the game. To someone who's used to fully controlling their character as a discrete unit on the battlefield, I can see why GoIO can be a little hard to wrap their head around.
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No, I didn't say that players who don't learn quick enough are intentional fuckups. You're twisting my words just so you can disagree with me. You follow up with the stuff that all of us are already doing. There is a group of people that try to take advice and try to execute it to their best extend. They don't get yelled at by me, they don't get yelled at by anyone other respectable player. There is however, this distinct group (if you play the game you would meet them) that just ignores you and ignores your advice. No matter how patient you are, there will always be that idiot that simply doesn't react to reason or refuses to acknowledge you until you start yelling at him(yes, I get those too). Some rarities even manage to ignore you after you started yelling at them. My job as captain is to direct my crew and coordinate with my teammates. If my crew does not listen, my ship does not fly to its full capabilities. And as such my ship is essentially weaker than my opponent's; because one should always assume that the opposing team does work as a unit. This is not harsh, this is just how teamgames work. One of the players not doing his job? Pack up and go home. It really is that simple.
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[...] There is however, this distinct group (if you play the game you would meet them) that just ignores you and ignores your advice. [...]
I've never denied that people like this exist. I have, however, disagreed with you on just how prevalent these people are. Frankly? I haven't met all that many of them, and for the record, I do actually play this game. You are taking an insignificantly small section of the player population, blowing it way out of proportion and then reacting as if there's some sort of epidemic of awful that threatens to overwhelm all the right-thinking and well-meaning players who actually communicate and are willing to learn.
There is not, and treating the situation as if it does exist is a sure way to drive otherwise potentially great players away from the game for good.
I'm also not denying that a captain's job is to help coordinate and teach their crew, and that if said crew isn't listening then the ship will be weaker. (in fact, that's exactly what I've been saying) I was reacting to a series of posts in which people were mocking that subset of new players who may have come into the game after mostly playing FPS games. My intent was to show how those players may have different expectations of the game, based on their understanding of what a game is, and how that should affect the ways we reach out to them. Obviously, no amount of good sportsmanship and well-meant advice is going to reach those who don't want to be taught, but it can sometimes be hard to distinguish between the genuine 'bad eggs' and those who are merely confused about what the game is asking of them.
Finally, your point about packing up and going home when someone's not willing to listen no matter how much you try to explain things to them? You're absolutely right! In fact...
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You guys are kinda wasting your time. Check his post history, all this QKO cat does is argue.
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You guys are kinda wasting your time. Check his post history, all this QKO cat does is argue.
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I've never denied that people like this exist. I have, however, disagreed with you on just how prevalent these people are. Frankly? I haven't met all that many of them, and for the record, I do actually play this game. You are taking an insignificantly small section of the player population, blowing it way out of proportion and then reacting as if there's some sort of epidemic of awful that threatens to overwhelm all the right-thinking and well-meaning players who actually communicate and are willing to learn.
There is not, and treating the situation as if it does exist is a sure way to drive otherwise potentially great players away from the game for good.
I'm also not denying that a captain's job is to help coordinate and teach their crew, and that if said crew isn't listening then the ship will be weaker. (in fact, that's exactly what I've been saying) I was reacting to a series of posts in which people were mocking that subset of new players who may have come into the game after mostly playing FPS games. My intent was to show how those players may have different expectations of the game, based on their understanding of what a game is, and how that should affect the ways we reach out to them. Obviously, no amount of good sportsmanship and well-meant advice is going to reach those who don't want to be taught, but it can sometimes be hard to distinguish between the genuine 'bad eggs' and those who are merely confused about what the game is asking of them.
Finally, your point about packing up and going home when someone's not willing to listen no matter how much you try to explain things to them? You're absolutely right! In fact...
I'm seeing the average of one of every game. Sometimes they come in pairs, sometimes they come in quartets. Sometimes they are found in my team and sometimes they are found in the opposing team. And yes, they are easily spotted when they are running around with a 4 hwacha + 2 mortar galleon. I can even tell them it won't work and they will even become offensive to you; sometimes even saying you don't know what you're talking about. I have had people that were set on ignoring me on my crew, I've had them as a fellow captain. Some people ignored me until I yelled at them and then they complain about me yelling at them. There's regular occurrences of block worthy voicecom users, sometimes they are even on your team. Feel free to tag along a few times if you want, I'll be happy to show you.
You guys are kinda wasting your time. Check his post history, all this QKO cat does is argue.
It's kind of stupid to enter a discussion to tell people you agree isn't it?
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That's definitely your philosophy.
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No personal attacks of any sort. Please. This thread will be locked if they continue.