Guns Of Icarus Online
Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sonoskay on May 28, 2013, 12:04:24 am
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Is it just me or are pilots just kinda rare. I mean it generaly takes a special person to want to drive a ship and command others but it seems its a slight rareity in the game. Not enough to keep the games from starting too much but it seems like once you decide to make a real effort to being pilot it seems like no one wants to do them... most of the day i just wanted to shoot stuff or beat stuff with wrenches and hammers but every time i enter a match a pilot leaves and no one joins. after 5 minutes of waiting i give up and pilot anyway. just to keep the room from emptying out.
Is it just bad luck or are pilots just unpopular?
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Saying that it can be the hardest class to learn as you need to learn how to move a ship, and understand the ranges of your weapons on your ship, while the other two classes require a point-and-click mindset.
It is not a class one can easily grab and master quickly without much observation. (I didn't take up piloting until I spent hours on other ships, and from that I was able to get a feel of how to fly many ships, then piloting was a breeze.)
Most people who just want to run in guns blazing won't try for piloting it seems, while most pilots with that mentality tend to be easy to kill.
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what you've described is probably the one thing that makes players pilots... They man(or woman) up and take the hot seat so that the lobby doesnt empty and the match can start... welcome to the pilots club :P
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It's not always that way for everyone. I wanted to pilot from the moment I started playing GOI (hence my name).
I read through all the forums, the webpage, and played a ton of engineering and gunning before I took the pilot slot but I was hooked with captaining as soon as I began.
Good times and good memories.
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It's not always that way for everyone. I wanted to pilot from the moment I started playing GOI (hence my name).
I read through all the forums, the webpage, and played a ton of engineering and gunning before I took the pilot slot but I was hooked with captaining as soon as I began.
Good times and good memories.
I Did the same actualy but i had no Idea that i would take up piloting. I just figured learning as much as i could is a good stratagy for any game.
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It's not always that way for everyone. I wanted to pilot from the moment I started playing GOI (hence my name).
I read through all the forums, the webpage, and played a ton of engineering and gunning before I took the pilot slot but I was hooked with captaining as soon as I began.
Good times and good memories.
This is true I could've worded that better
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I once took a career personality test (Birkman for those interested). One of the things it made me realize was how I take on authority. I always need for there to be a clear authority figure and if none is present, I am likely to take over that position.
Look at that, I end up piloting all the time even though I often just want to engineer.
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That or Sammy makes you pilot against a bunch of level 9 pilots while engineering and laughing at you getting slaughtered. NOT speaking from personal experience at all. (cough sammy is cough a dick cough)
Oh and Ryan MZ watch out for him he loves making first time pilots fly the squid. Also against a bunch of other level 9-10 pilots.
BUT with the influx of players there are alot of captains now, even though most of them don't understand the game or even basic spatial awareness.
Also another thing is alot of new captains are kind of scared to fly against pilots who are higher ranks, I really think there should be a community event like a"Pilot School" or something.
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Why is it a big deal for first time pilots to fly a squid? It's the easiest ship to fly.
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I like to pilot at times, but other times I just want to lay back, relax, and shoot some guns instead. Or, I dunno, bang on something with a mallet. That clinking noise is so much more relaxing than everything a pilot has to think about at any given time :D
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I love playing the game for the challenge, so piloting is my favorite roll. It really is, weapon arcs, countering enemy maneuvers, crew management, overall tactics, etc etc.
When I'm flying against new pilots though it isn't as fun so I switch crews and give the newer pilots tips on how to beat the team that just slaughtered them. It's so gratifying seeing the development!
@Squash Flying a squid as your first ship against COGS level pilots.... ummm yeah no. Not the easiest ship to fly period and definitely not under those circumstances.
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Of course it's the easiest to fly, what's easier than a squid?
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how do you mean pilots are rare, i once had a full game of pilots.
i mean every ship only contained pilots.
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Why is it a big deal for first time pilots to fly a squid? It's the easiest ship to fly.
Oh thats probably the funniest thing I've seen today. lol
A level 1 pilot in a squid = gunner fodder. There is no way they have the experience or knowledge of handling a squid and being effective with it. 90% of the time I see one they try to either..ram with it, sit in front of guns with it, or load it out with the most awful loadouts I've ever seen in game. Then they go on rants about how much the squid sucks. I started to think the same till I really spent time with it. Course part of it is it takes a good crew to keep it up. Lot of lowbies have no concept of the proper tool or class equipment to use with it.
Its a lot of heavy evasion flying with highly responsive movements and what Muse did to the game in 1.2 heavily hindered that. If they don't fix it with 1.3 I'm gonna be pretty ticked. Flying the other ships gets boring. Just no thrill in flying bricks with balloons or turret factories.
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Sure, but the question stands, what ship is easier to fly? I can't think of one.
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the pyramideon is easy to fly since you only have to fly towards your target with a gat/flag combination.
only problem is that you dont want to show your right side to the enemy since there are no guns on that side.
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Right but the Pyramidion is slow and has a hard time turning, it's also very heavy, and it's the only ship that obstructs its own gun arcs. It has a big metal nose and ropes that block shots if you're not pointing the ship in exactly the right way, and also going from side to front guns isn't a cakewalk, I think the Pyramidion is definitely a much more challenging ship to fly than a squid.
A squid is much much faster, turns better, it's lighter, elevates and drops faster and doesn't obstruct any shooting angles. A pyramidion also has only 180 degrees covered by guns, whereas a squid has 270 degrees covered.
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Right but the Pyramidion is slow and has a hard time turning, it's also very heavy, and it's the only ship that obstructs its own gun arcs. It has a big metal nose and ropes that block shots if you're not pointing the ship in exactly the right way, and also going from side to front guns isn't a cakewalk, I think the Pyramidion is definitely a much more challenging ship to fly than a squid.
A squid is much much faster, turns better, it's lighter, elevates and drops faster and doesn't obstruct any shooting angles. A pyramidion also has only 180 degrees covered by guns, whereas a squid has 270 degrees covered.
the question was, what ship is the easiest to fly.
i am not looking at all the details for the whole crew, im looking at what ship would be the easiest to fly by a new pilot.
since the pyramidion has front guns you can just fly towards your enemy instead of boardsiding like a junker.
it might turn slow but that can be fixed by phoenix claw.
it indeed obstructs your shots if your not flying straight towards your enemy.
the ship can change from close/medium ranged combat to long range by just using the left side on the ship.
the squid cant have 2 snipers since it needs to be fast and quick and that ruins your long range shots.
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The squid IMO is the hardest the ship to fly because well.... easy way out here, you don't see it in competition. that should say it all.
It's fun to fly once you know how but it is most definitely not "easy" to fly.
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the squid is fast but "squashy", easy to take down.
as a squid you need to move around all the time and dont stay at the same spot unless nobody is around.
because it needs to be fast and fly around the enemy its not a good ship in canyon ambush, this is because of the limited space of the map.
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Sorry to be a dick, but we have extremely derailed this conversation from the OP's intentions maybe we should bring it back to that topic. Just saying.
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indeed, lets blame shinkurex.
going to the real question.
what is a pilot/captain.
these are the guys that need skill in flying and being leaders.
they are not some sort of people, they are heroes.
why do i say that they are heroes?
i say this because they keep you alive and make sure the enemy team goes down.
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Goldfish. That's the easiest ship to fly. That's the ship you want to grow strong with. For a pickup crew; wonderful - The layout is very simple, you can reach and point out any component within seconds. Except the main engine at the back, but that's survivable. Then, the Captain's only got to point the heavy gun towards the enemy and bring it in range to be efficient. Once the Captain has an idea about what he's doing, he/she may enhance going straight for the enemy ship with taking cover, changing altitude, making use of the pilot tools - the Goldfish is easy to fly, and very maneuverable. It's a ship that forgives almost every mistake, because you'll be able to turn around reasonably fast, give chase reasonably fast, run away reasonably fast. And it doesn't die in a split second because the Hull isn't that bad either.
Just flying a Goldfish is easy though - Manticor, throttle forward. Simple. Thinking of what weaponry works well on the sideguns and in which situations you're going to use it, calling your Engineers or Gunner on those spots early enough, knowing how to avoid the sniping pyramidion at the other side of the map while directing your Engineers and Gunner and keeping them motivated to stay aboard after the 0:5 loss, that's where it get's difficult. At the end the Captain always get's the blame (or the glory), and knowing that, it's not easy taking that position in the beginning.
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Kyren I you keep talking about captaining the Goldfish, this thread is just about piloting. Which is my point. A squid might be the hardest ship to captain, it also might be the hardest ship to win with in general, but it's certainly the easiest to actually fly.
We really need to break this idea that pilot = captain every time.
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I think there are so few captains because Captaining is stressful and scarey. I have goaded a few of my friends into taking the captain's chair when the other team was complaining about my flying being OP. They did well, but at the end of the match they said they were really stressed and did not want to do it again. For most of us the fear of messing up when other people are counting on you is much greater than the fear of messing up when the only person counting on you is yourself. I am like that, but thankfully my messups are getting fewer and farther between.
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@Squash: The pilot is in the position to look around and see where ships are at. He also has the ability to see where his crew is at and direct broadsides and that sort. If a captain was an engineer or something, he would have to leave his natural state to look around and see what's up, yet the pilot is already in that position. So pilots have to be captains.
I believe that all captains are a bit masochistic, we operate under enormous stress, we shout and yell at people, and we have to fly by the seat of our pants.
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The pilot is in the position to look around and see where ships are at. He also has the ability to see where his crew is at and direct broadsides and that sort. If a captain was an engineer or something, he would have to leave his natural state to look around and see what's up, yet the pilot is already in that position. So pilots have to be captains.
So not true at all. On some ships like Galleons, sure, the pilot is the only one with even reasonable visibility. But what about on a Pyramidion? The top right light gun can clearly see the most of the ship and the environment. Goldfish are the same, the pilot sees less than someone who can transition from lower to upper deck. On a squid it doesn't matter, everyone can see everything, except the guy in the hull pit.
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I love being a pilot, but I did engineer and gun to get experience first. The junker is the easiest and best ship in my opinion.
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I was a level 1 pilot until March. I started playing the game in October. I finally gave in to flying when, as was previously stated, there was nobody else who would do it.
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Man, every once in a while a new player will come onto my ship, never playing with me before, and we'll win a couple of pub games. After a few wins they'll type in crew chat "you know, you're a good pilot"
Reminds me why I love to pilot, makes it all worth it.
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Man, every once in a while a new player will come onto my ship, never playing with me before, and we'll win a couple of pub games. After a few wins they'll type in crew chat "you know, you're a good pilot"
Reminds me why I love to pilot, makes it all worth it.
I try to make sure my pilot knows they are doing a great job when they are. A good pilot makes the game enjoyable for everyone on the ship!
I've played the role a few times, the first because we just needed someone in the slot. After that I just thought it was a useful skill to have so I force myself into it every now and then. When I first started playing a lot of people were telling me engineering is a stressful role but honestly I find being a captain to be far more stressful and difficult without question. The only time an engineer's job is really stressful to me is when the captain is making it stressful (i.e yelling at you to fix something when you're already on it and just getting antsy about you not being able to keep everything up 100% of the time).
Going a bit on the derailed part of this topic I found the Pyramidion easier to fly than the Goldfish but I think thats just because I am so used to being on it. I may need to give the fish a few more tries to see if I can get better with it. Most of my games as captain have been in random public matches with less experienced players just so I can get my feet wet but I should probably take the role with some experienced players that are willing to deal with me so I can learn a bit more.
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Pilot/captain is definitely the most stressful job, but the most rewarding as well. I have to be in the right mood to pilot, because how enjoyable it is totally depends on your crew/team. Have to be in the right mood to take on that challenge. If I'm not feeling it I'll just engineer, which I also thoroughly enjoy.