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Title: stacking buffs
Post by: MCSWEENY on May 30, 2015, 02:03:25 pm
So this whole thing about using multiple player classes to buff (or wrench) your guns to stack buffs might be overpowered slightly.

(http://i.imgur.com/TRVQMRJ.jpg)
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: BlackenedPies on May 30, 2015, 02:18:47 pm
Can you clarify please? Buffs don't stack.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: MCSWEENY on May 30, 2015, 02:23:41 pm
Can you clarify please? Buffs don't stack.

They appear to stack if you rotate character classes. You just have to time it. I have a 100% win rate on this because of this mechanic. I think that maybe this game play mechanic could be interesting but so far I've just been able to kill everything and get a 100% win rate.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Dr.NickDigger on May 30, 2015, 02:25:33 pm
I just tried this with some friends. Holy shit it's overpowered. This needs to be fixed asap
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: BlackenedPies on May 30, 2015, 02:26:47 pm
I don't follow. Do you mean changing class during a match? Buffs don't stack but they are powerful. I almost always have 2 buffs per ship.

Please clearly explain the observation.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: MCSWEENY on May 30, 2015, 02:29:43 pm
I don't follow. Do you mean changing class during a match? Buffs don't stack but they are powerful. I almost always have 2 buffs per ship.

No man I mean using a 4 man crew and rotating players buffing the gun while timing it correctly to stack buffs.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: BlackenedPies on May 30, 2015, 02:33:58 pm
Buffing a gun fills up the buff meter on the left side. When the meter is full the gun is buffed. Your buff hammer and your buddy's buff hammer are no different. The buffs aren't stacking.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Carn on May 30, 2015, 02:34:51 pm
This is interesting. I've never heard of this before.......I suggest you email Muse about it. Maybe get a dev or CA on your ship and demonstrate it to them. This sounds like a seriously overpowered bug.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: MCSWEENY on May 30, 2015, 02:35:27 pm
Buffing a gun fills up the buff meter on the left side. When the meter is full the gun is buffed. Your buff hammer and your buddy's buff hammer are no different. The buffs aren't stacking.

We're not going off the meter.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: BlackenedPies on May 30, 2015, 02:38:07 pm
What makes you believe the buffs are stacking?
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Carn on May 30, 2015, 02:39:12 pm
Again, show a CA or dev, I'm not entirely sure what you mean but this sounds like some nasty glitch.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: MCSWEENY on May 30, 2015, 02:39:56 pm
What makes you believe the buffs are stacking?

Higher damage.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Carn on May 30, 2015, 02:42:16 pm
More then a normal buff? And how are you sure it does more damage?
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: BlackenedPies on May 30, 2015, 02:43:15 pm
How did you determine it does more damage? What timing are you using?

I am available now for testing. If it is a bug email feedback@musegames.com
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Carn on May 30, 2015, 02:44:41 pm
Yeah I suggest you take pies up on his offer, he knows the numbers.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: BlackenedPies on May 30, 2015, 02:49:50 pm
Everyone's buff hammer is the same so you buffing is no different from your buddy. If there is no visual indicator for a stack and damage wasn't accurately determined then it's unlikely there is a bug. Gun buffs are very powerful and a buff engineer does more damage than a gunner.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: DJ Logicalia on May 30, 2015, 02:51:20 pm
If you rebuff a gun, it just resets the timer. The effects of the buff do not stack. I'm not sure why you're thinking that they do
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Kamoba on May 30, 2015, 03:25:22 pm
Lets assume, hypothetically I pilot a Goldfish with a Hwacha...
I take a buff hammer, and so do my three team mate, I buff the Hwacha, I fill up the meter on the left and the gun gains a 20% damage increase for the duration of the time, and then my three crew mates all buff the gun as well... The gun gains nothing more than the 20% I added.
Buff does not stack.
20% is a great increase, but not overpowered, it just separates a 20% difference of a ship with a buff engineer who actually buffs, and a ship with two normally equipped engineers...
Obviously there are many ways your crew can come equipped, but just because one crew uses the buff hammer, does not make it over powered.

However, I think you're not explaining your point clearly "mate"
You have shown a picture of the experience page and stats, which leads me to think you mean the experience which can be gained from buffing, this has been pointed out a few times by one of our community member Ceresbane (aka maximillian jazzhands)
The experience you can gain by being a buff engineer is quite high...

However since leveling up gives no actual benefits beyond a few dyes and cosmetics, I cant see how that is over powered, makes leveling easier but is not Over Powered.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Kamoba on May 30, 2015, 03:31:41 pm
Maybe there is a bug, for this I advise emailing feedback@musegames.com and inviting a Dev to take a look, or of you're available in a couple of hours, I'll happily spectate to see this in action...

However I think your 100% win rate will be from using team work effectively and better tactics than the enemies you're facing.
Otherwise in theory, if you can stack buffs in such a way, you must be getting 2 hit kills with a heavy carronade against goldfish, mobulas and pyramidions, maybe spires and squids too...
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Koali on May 30, 2015, 04:05:25 pm
Wait, hold up.

The screenshot shows lvl 8 Engie.

But the numbers under MCSWEENY's profile pic indicate a lvl 4 Engie.

(http://i.imgur.com/TT0yRSH.png)
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Extirminator on May 30, 2015, 04:07:43 pm
it takes time to update into the forum...
I leveled up my gunner to 41 a few hours ago, but it's still 40 here.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Niels Juel on May 30, 2015, 06:32:27 pm
Might he be explaining buff/pre buff?
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Kamoba on May 30, 2015, 06:35:39 pm
Might he be explaining buff/pre buff?

Not likely, he attributes his win rate to this, and comes to us forum "nerds" (his words) for help.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Lanliss on May 30, 2015, 06:56:30 pm
Might he be explaining buff/pre buff?

Not likely, he attributes his win rate to this, and comes to us forum "nerds" (his words) for help.

Kamoba, noooooo don't go to the dark side! Don't give in!
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Crafeksterty on May 30, 2015, 07:07:52 pm
Quote
Lets assume, hypothetically I pilot a Goldfish with a Hwacha...

Ok, i understand and even i dont fully realise what hes talking about but put it to the test first, maybe its an actual bug.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Daft Loon on May 30, 2015, 07:15:12 pm
If its a real bug i want too see if it works on mobula baloon too!!



Edit/addition:
This reminds me of the time i spent swearing that impact bumpers had a flat 25% reduction to all damage and running round at 40% speed for full matches.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Kamoba on May 30, 2015, 07:37:11 pm
Like I said, he's welcome to send me a pm, I will.happily spectate to see this in action to help clarify the matter.
But I do ask everyone to understand, I'm not being hostile, its just highly unlikely...
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Lanliss on May 30, 2015, 07:49:47 pm
I was referring to your nerd comment. Seemed like you were kind of calling him out, which could start a retaliation, which I am sure would rather be avoided by all parties.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Squidslinger Gilder on May 30, 2015, 10:22:04 pm
Call BS till he provides actual proof or can demonstrate it. If 4 people are buffing then thats 120% dmg. At that point it is lochnagar rounds in a HF. Unless he is 1 shotting ships left and right, its BS.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: BlackenedPies on May 30, 2015, 10:39:40 pm
Probably a misunderstanding.
Title: Re: stacking buffs
Post by: Kamoba on May 31, 2015, 02:11:34 am
Probably a misunderstanding.

This is the most probable answer, its either mis-wording or misunderstanding..

I think the Original Posters success rate is based off of playing with a team of players who work effectively as a team, he mentions rotations, suggesting the crew have their individual roles and need to rotate away from them, which just shows efficiency and good communication.