Guns Of Icarus Online
Off-Topic => The Lounge => Topic started by: Byron Cavendish on April 09, 2015, 12:51:26 am
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Not quite a GOIO thing, but I need some support from the community here. For any familiar with Verdun, they are starting a tournament soon. I applaud their devs for taking the initiative in getting their competitive scene rolling. I've always been frustrated with the GOIO devs lack of interest in taking control of their competitive scene or promoting it.
That being said, my team Hydra of the Brotherhood clan is looking for a few mercs from any clan or recruits as back-ups. Send me a message or check out http://thebrotherhoodofgoio.com/ and http://www.verdungame.com/tournament/
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Wasn't the last time Muse took control of the competitive, the time it pretty much fell apart? What was it...back during Cogs 2 or going into 3 they were trying to unite everything under Keyvias or something. Just turned into a mess.
My one pet peev about Verdun...they are always loading up huge updates. I barely get one done and then another gets added. It is nice they are updating a lot but playing the game just gets problematic when you always have to update.
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That's true, but it is in beta. The tournament is actually to celebrate them going official, so hopefully the big updates will slow down. And ya that whole 'fabrica' thing was a mess, mostly because it tried to be too big and complicated. I just wish they would give us a little more support in events and getting MLG to be a bigger presence. it would help them as much as the youtuber sales. I like the look of this Verdun thing because it's as simple as it can be.
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I might be wrong, but I think MLG pulled out of GoI, didn't they? We only had one or two MLG tournaments since we were brought on board, and nothing has happened with them for months now
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I don't know, Leto was leading on that, but I haven't seen or heard from him either, even with my ready to go TimmyB season 2. I was willing to help with that, because I honestly believe esport viewership keeps a game fresh and topical. Regardless, this is about Verdun. We can start another discussion about MLG.
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Cause the game was a broken mess most of the time back then. It has potential to be MLG but only if Muse dedicated themselves solely to making a PVP game.
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a few clarification about mlg and muse
Muse made a tournament with questionable rules etc. - teams lost faith in muse run events.
MLG did not uphold their end, so letonator ditched them and our competitive scene now - im not blaming mlg, since muse probaly didnt help them enough aswell.
the current competitive scene is run by the community members without muse influence, the reason for this is that is that the dev support is minimal for competitive play. Its sad, but thats how it is, they are working on coop and not on better ingame functions such as pause functions etc.
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on topic, sorry for detour.
Verdun looks like a nice game thought about picking it up, but viewership is also based on the streaming capabilities of the game. Does verdun allow overview in streaming, or is it purely seen from players perspective?
I looked at the link and it looks pretty simple to sign up etc. But are the ingame bugs as annoying as in goio? like the slow-mo etc.
Example is in SCS we thought about eliminating team pauses, but it seems unfair when the servers sometimes drops players.
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Skrim as far as bugs, they get a handful every patch, and then like clockwork they fix em all a few days later. So ya they tend to break the game a bit after a patch, but the cleanup is pretty fast. Probably due to the fact that they don't have a test server.
I have no idea what the streaming capabilities are sorry.
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Shouldn't this go in off topic or something?
And I feel the shot at the GoIO devs isn't warranted, especially if you're trying to commandeer the GoIO playbase in the GoIO forums.
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I played Verdun back when it was free.
Has it improved?
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I played Verdun back when it was free.
Has it improved?
I'd say.
I have it too.
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Shouldn't this go in off topic or something?
And I feel the shot at the GoIO devs isn't warranted, especially if you're trying to commandeer the GoIO playbase in the GoIO forums.
Wow, soooourrr. THOMAS, Unless you know for a FACT that I'm trying to commandeer the GOIO playerbase, then I'd keep that to yourself. My mistake for posting in the wrong area, which is why I said Not quite a GOIO thing
, in case it was wrong. Now, I may be going out on a limb here, but it may be entirely possible that some players of GOIO also play Verdun, and those players may not know about a Verdun tournament. It may also be possible that if some of those those people do also play GOIO competitively, that they may be able to juggle two tournaments in their life.
And I will criticize the devs all I want. I like most of them personally and am on friendly basis with most of them. That doesn't mean that I will stop voicing my legitimate thoughts and concerns on any area of the game they handle. Personally, as an artist I value the negative criticism a lot more than the positive to learn where to improve. You need to back off.
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Underline -and- caps. Oh man, thank baby Jesus there wasn't a bold; things might have gotten serious. (I'd do a /sarcasm but I plan on continuing to roll with it)
But yeah, posting a competitive event for another game on this games forums while at the same time criticizing these devs and their involvement with the competitive scene and going down on the Verdun devs for their involvement with their competitive scene doesn't paint a pretty picture.
You might even be able to translate it into "Hey guys! Are you tired of the GoIO competitive and want to get in on some real action where the devs actually love you? Come on over to Verdun baby~!"
Can people play both games? Absolutely~ Myself and a lot of my GoIO friends actually own Verdun. There's a pretty good chance that we own other games than those two as well, a lot of which have competitive scenes. It just takes a certain level of tact and social awareness to realize that what you're doing is stupidly rude to both Muse and the GoIO playerbase. People check out the GoIO forums for GoIO related content, the same way they check out the Verdun forums for Verdun stuff. People can be interested in both, in the same way people can be interested in porn and lucky charms. But you don't go into the grocery store and promote porn in the cereal isle.
As for commandeering players, that appears to more or less be the goal with the unprovoked shot at the GoIO devs. Seriously, that line in the OP served no purpose other than making one group appear better than the other; promoting a choice between the two. Most competitive events also occur on the weekends, this is true for all games. This makes it unlikely for players to be able to compete in multiple games at once. So even though this tournament occurs on a Friday, many gamers would find it difficult to give up two whole days of their weekend, PLUS extra time during the week to practice and play both games.
Normally this kind of thread should be deleted outright, as it doesn't belong anywhere on these forums. Muse tends to be on the lenient side of things though. Post a GoIO tournament on the Verdun forums and it'd likely be gone before the day ends. Hell, post a promotion for any game on a different games forums and that shit wouldn't be tolerated.
Surprised I got through that without any personal insults. Was terribly tempted to make some snide remarks about the TB competitive team. Good luck in the Verdun tournament.
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I know, right? Words are hard...and scary! But sometimes you gotta emphasize certain things so they're clear. I do that with my baby nephew and it works wonders.
I'm honestly truly sorry that you live in a world where you view everything with such immediate distrust and suspicion, that must truly be rough. Say what you will, but you are really displaying your real character here. See up until today, I thought you were a decent guy who had some early great lore ideas and did some helpful things for the community. I dunno, maybe joining SPQR changed your personality, or it's just coming to light.
Sadly, my intentions were pure and I actually thought I could discuss a non GOIO related tournament. If you think I have the power to convert the small GOIO community to another game I'm honored but that really could never happen. See I actually have fought and worked hard for this games tournament scene long before you were even aware of it. And I still want it to be larger and better. You see that's why I said what I said about the devs. It is criticism yes, but you missed the point. It wasn't to derail this game's scene, but to lament that it wasn't supported by the devs and much larger as it should be.
So I'm sorry to say your conspiracy theory about me is wrong, but flattering.
And I invite you to say whatever you will about my TB team. I've watched this game's scene since it's inception. The Ducks under Squash were big for awhile, then the Gents under Roy, a little bit of Wolfpack with Maverick, then the Gents for awhile when I took over, then the Ducks again, and then SPQR and the Ryders. Every team, every clan goes through phases. My intention with my TB team was never to win at all costs, I gave that up when I left the Gents. We compete to have fun, and because we enjoy the game. I feel nothing is purer than that. And I take pride in the fact that I made a clan for friends, and honoring my friend who cared more about this game than anyone before he died. At least I never gave up on my cool themed clan, to join another big name one just to win, not naming names mate ;). So think down on me, or my team, or my balls to voice my opinion about GOIO if I think it could do better if you'd like, or anyone else. It only displays your character. And I don't hate you for that, but I do pity you.
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The inability to defend the intentions of the OP degrades into chest thumping, petty insults, and instigation. Classic Byron. You even manage to bring up he-who-shall-constantly-be-mentioned, although that took a lot longer than usual.
First to clear up some ignorance. I've always been a jerk. Always. I'm a jerk because I love this game and I don't like slimey people trying to ruin this game or the community. The only reason I stopped being a jerk was when I became a CA and had to be a good role model. I quit being a CA because I felt I wasn't doing enough to help the community. So here we are.
As for Holy, because you're ever so subtle, that was disbanded for the same reason a lot of other clans have disbanded; lack of members. I'm not a good clan leader, I never have been. I was not inclined to keep a dying clan alive, so I made the choice I felt was best. I disbanded it and encouraged the officers to form their own clan. With me out of the picture, they've been doing pretty darn good. And to think I joined SPQR because of a big name shows off even more ignorance, despite your watching the community for so long. SPQR wasn't a big name at the time and didn't turn into a big clan for several months. It's just a collection of honestly good people who are fun to hang out with.
And while I'm being open and honest, and this is going to be a little painful, let TimmyB rest. He was a decent guy and a good community member. That being said, I hardly knew him. He didn't do anything that particularly stood out in the community at all. And that's totally fine. But saying he cared more about this game than anyone...
Hopefully this sates your lust for baiting people.
To get somewhat back on topic, you completely avoided nearly all of my arguments. Particularly that non-GoIO content shouldn't be in GoIO forums. PMing people would be a much better approach. But to come onto these forums and try and pull players into another game is excessively low. This isn't saying people should only talk about or play GoIO, but that's what these forums are for! You don't just go into another game's forums and try to promote a completely different game! There's a reason you don't see flyers for Mechwarrior tournaments, guides for Skyrim, recruitment threads for WoW clans, or suggestions for new weapons in Evolve. This makes sense, right?
Most gamers have a certain level of respect for games and their developers, which is why this shit doesn't happen. If I went into the TF2 forums promoting GoIO tournaments, I'd be disrespecting TF2, the developers, and the players who go to those forums. What you're doing is the equivalent of walking into Howard's house and taking a big ol' dump on his rug. You even managed to insult him in the process. Any other company would plant a boot right in your face and delete the thread. But with Muse (mods and all), they're so nice that they're more likely to pretend to ignore it.
What you're doing is wrong and insulting. And if you think flinging shit at me and anyone who doesn't agree with you is going to change that, you're not nearly as smart as you think.
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Hey guys,
Just wanted to hop in here since there appears to be a bit of heat. I don't consider this a Guns of Icarus official concern so definitely feel free to take this as just me hoping in with my two cents and you're also free tell me to screw off (just remember to be nice to each other.)
My only issue was this being in the community events section, which is definitely a Guns only kind of place, but with it moved to off-topic, I personally don't see any problem. I consider it a compliment that people want our community to play in other games (just goes to show how awesome you all are :D)
As far as the competitive scene, you're right we're not as hands on as we could be. We've found the best events are run by players and our goal is always to support them with prizes, announcements, and anything else we can do to help with the organizers. I will say MLG was a bit more complex and frustrating than I want to go into here (I have a bit of rage on this topic, so I'll hold my tongue.) Definitely wish the Verdun devs the best of luck on this front since it is a lot of work, but very rewarding to get it kickstarted if their players help follow through.
So, as long as this is listed as non-guns of icarus, enjoy!
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If you think this is chest thumping or poo flinging thats fine, your opinion. I thought I was trying to clear the air. Just like you admit to being a jerk, I'll admit to being painfully honest. If thats poo flinging fine.
I thought I was clearing up my intentions, perhaps it didn't translate over the interwebs, perhaps you missed it. I stated earlier, I wasn't sure of the community events forum was correct. That was an honest mistake, I thought I made that obvious. I also thought I said I have no intention in converting the community. If you don't believe that fine, but that's what it is. This has been clearly stated now, and if you continue to insinuate anything else, than it is your poo flinging and not anything I have said.
It was also my mistake to assume you were a nice guy. Now I did not know you very well before, and because you were a CA I assumed you were not a jerk. So seeing as how this behaviour is new to my knowledge only after you joined SPQR is why I guessed at a connection. You said there is no connection so fair enough.
I'm sorry but I don't have the time to individually PM every member of this board as to whether or not they play Verdun. I actually have been talking to other clan members who do play it, and that went with my intention of seeing if there were additional GOIO players who I may not know who may also play it. I thought it might be fun to compete together in a different environment. That was my intention, plain and simple. You don't like it fine, you don't like it on these boards, fine, all your opinions. However, you are not a moderator, dev nor a CA anymore so unless they tell me I have severely crossed a line than you are getting greatly agitated for your own reasons. Don't place anger vicariously through them. I talk to Howard quite a bit, if I offended him than I would apologize personally. I haven't got any messages yet.
Finally onto Timmy. I brought it up because you specifically mentioned my clan. Well my clan and our competitive team are actually based around my experiences competing with him. So I thought it was quite relevant to clear up how I hope you understand my team. I don't know why you think he's always mentioned, or even why that would be a bad thing. There was a thing from Muse back in March because it was the anniversary of his death. Other than that I can't think of much. He might get mentioned on the boards from time to time, but I don't think it has any point other than admiration or respect from people who knew him. If you don't like it then just ignore it. Whether or not you agree or know about his contribution to competitive community is your opinion, it doesn't matter it was a different time and you weren't even competing then. I can tell you that I thought he was an amazing buff engineer, or that he knew a banshee like a beast before it was a thing, or that he worked a lot trying to work with the other clans at the other time, but I didn't need to. Those that were there knew, and he's remembered by those people.
With the accusation again, I pity that you are so distrustful and suspicious but thats just not the case. I dont have the time to care or plan baiting. You are overestimating me.
I'm sorry to hear you don't believe I respect Muse. Or at least, the vast majority of them. However, the great thing about freedom is the ability to respect one another but still disagree. To be able to voice opinions. If I didn't care about this game I wouldn't be trying to poach people. I wouldn't be figuratively on my knees screaming for them to change things. I would just walk, away stop playing. It would be a lot easier. Some of us care but want change, and we don't need to agree to everything or brown nose to like this game. And this where I will be leaving this discussion. I hope you understand I've done my best to be frank and honest here.
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Hey guys,
Just wanted to hop in here since there appears to be a bit of heat. I don't consider this a Guns of Icarus official concern so definitely feel free to take this as just me hoping in with my two cents and you're also free tell me to screw off (just remember to be nice to each other.)
My only issue was this being in the community events section, which is definitely a Guns only kind of place, but with it moved to off-topic, I personally don't see any problem. I consider it a compliment that people want our community to play in other games (just goes to show how awesome you all are :D)
As far as the competitive scene, you're right we're not as hands on as we could be. We've found the best events are run by players and our goal is always to support them with prizes, announcements, and anything else we can do to help with the organizers. I will say MLG was a bit more complex and frustrating than I want to go into here (I have a bit of rage on this topic, so I'll hold my tongue.) Definitely wish the Verdun devs the best of luck on this front since it is a lot of work, but very rewarding to get it kickstarted if their players help follow through.
So, as long as this is listed as non-guns of icarus, enjoy!
I actually didn't know that you felt that about them. I was really interested in this getting MLG attention so if you ever do need any assistance trying to work with them I'd be glad to pitch in. I just assumed you guys didn't care about the MLG thing. Perhaps if you made public some of the strain that happened we'd know why it didn't happen. I'd be a lot less stressed knowing you guys did try.
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As predicted, Muse turns the other cheek. I suppose that's better than appearing to use an iron fist though.
Generally I'd just be annoyed at a thread like this cropping up. As I've mentioned, it doesn't belong on these forums period. I've made a lot of examples and comparisons, but you mentioned words are hard. If only I was a better artist. Can someone else chip in here? Pointing out the reason there's a distinct lack of threads like these in any game forum? And if you're just looking for people to fill out your team, and mentioned in the OP, it's still best to just PM people and check with other clans you know.
What 'angered' me is that you openly criticize Muse in the same breath as asking for people to come play another game.
"Come play Verdun, their devs are cool!" vs "Come play Verdun, their devs are cool and Muse sucks!"
Then you defended this with personal attacks on myself and my clan, which was pretty skeevy.
Kind of interesting how this all started out with "Hey, I don't think it's cool for you to be attacking the devs out of the blue while trying to recruit people for another game. And I don't think this is in the right forums."
As for Muse and the competitive scene, they've done a lot for it. They put in the clan system where not just anyone can have any clan tag, clan chat, the community event forums and event listings in game. They opening provide prizes and badges for events, they help organizers get in touch with each other and promote the events in blogs and on the fireside chat. They used to promote and run their own events, but these were often drowned out by community based events, so they've opted to support the community rather than running their own competitive events. They still run two dev matches a week too, which isn't competitive, but neither are a lot of other events people like to participate in.
You can judge and criticize them, but spitting in their face while taking a mess on their carpet is crossing too many lines. My attempt to explain social etiquette and respect (ie: not making a mess on the carpet) has failed miserably. Although the amount of incorrect assumptions made on your part has been pretty enjoyable to watch.
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Well lads, this was our forum thread simulation on how the first World War started, the setting for the game Verdun. It is a nice game and I think you should play the upcoming tournament with us, Hydra
There goes my chance ever to fly on SPQR ships or flying with one.
Cheers
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i think the issue is Thomas is seeing it as a malicious attack on Muse while Byron is seeing it as constructive criticism. Personally, i see it as the latter, but to each their own.
As for this thread, now located in the off topic, if it was for a game that resembled GoIO, then sure i could see how it'd be insulting. But from my perspective it's akin to going on a battlefield forum, and asking if anyone wants to play this cool racing game they found. Or going on a minecraft forum to play a co-op puzzle game. It's just not the same as going on to that same battlefield forum and trying to get peeps to play CoD.