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Off-Topic => The Lounge => Topic started by: Indreams on March 02, 2015, 04:43:33 pm

Title: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Indreams on March 02, 2015, 04:43:33 pm
We talked about Napoleon. Let's talk about another European fellow who could have used airships: Bismarck.

What do you think of Otto von Bismarck?

He was one of the greatest German leaders, who practically founded modern Germany by himself, but leading up to Worild War I, he was dismissed by Kaizer Wilhelm II.

Was he a hero of the German people? Or did he fail Germany by failing to manage the young, overambitious Kaiser? Or should he have pressed his advantage to create a Greater Germany?

Since GOIO community is quite global, I'm sure others have great insight about Bismarck.


Like the Napoleon post, moderators, feel free to lock this thread if it becomes over political or disrespectful to other members.

Thank you,
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Hoja Lateralus on March 02, 2015, 06:24:56 pm
I don't know a tad about that man, except for one quote:

"Let the Poles rule (by) themselves and they will wipe theirselves out"

And sadly, as a Pole, I must say he had a point.

Edit: sorry if it's too depressing for you
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: DJ Logicalia on March 02, 2015, 07:17:28 pm
There's no overwhelming sadness like Eastern European sadness

Sleepy kitten to prevent this thread from turning into a depression session

(http://cutestuff.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/tired_kitten.gif)
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Omniraptor on March 02, 2015, 07:20:14 pm
Well, as a russian I can say it's not all depressing with napoleon and eastern europe- his camaign in russia is a textbook example of winning every battle and losing the war.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Schwalbe on March 03, 2015, 01:41:06 am
Well, as a russian I can say it's not all depressing

When I read it I thought tis gonna end with something like "that Poles would destroy themselves". :P No flaming intended.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Indreams on March 03, 2015, 05:28:46 pm
Actually, coming to think of it, do we have no Germans on the forums?

Schwaibe is Polish, Mr. Disaster is Polish, most of us are Brits or Americans (or Asian Americans). Anybody German?
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Schwalbe on March 03, 2015, 05:50:32 pm
Wundsalz? Lueosi? [not sure though about those] I remember there were even a whole german clan once in a while, and some time ago I was fighting ship named "Germany Master Race" (I changed my ship's name to "Israel Master Race"; outcome? 5-0 for us).
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Indreams on March 03, 2015, 05:55:38 pm
Wundsalz? Lueosi? [not sure though about those] I remember there were even a whole german clan once in a while, and some time ago I was fighting ship named "Germany Master Race" (I changed my ship's name to "Israel Master Race"; outcome? 5-0 for us).

Lol. :D

I think I remember playing against that Clan. Wonder where they went. All I see are lots of American impostors attempting German accents while they play.
Who are the people in the German international forum? Are they still about?
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Hoja Lateralus on March 03, 2015, 07:14:17 pm
Blacky is German

Edit: and Von Feuerkraft, I think
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Skrimskraw on March 04, 2015, 04:47:31 am
Im german
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Alistair MacBain on March 04, 2015, 02:27:14 pm
Leuosi, Wundsalz, Praxedis, me ...
just to name a few.
There are some germans around. Were just not to clustered in one clan.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Dementio on March 04, 2015, 05:24:47 pm
I can speak german, but I am from Austria instead.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Schwalbe on March 04, 2015, 06:24:15 pm
I can speak german, but I am from Austria instead.

Anschluss?

I couldn't held myself, sorry, don't hurt me, please ;___;
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Hoja Lateralus on March 05, 2015, 04:48:27 am
Damn you, Godwin's Law!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Schwalbe on March 05, 2015, 07:05:05 am
Nope, just an argument Reductio ad Hitlerum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum).
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Dementio on March 05, 2015, 01:11:44 pm
Sometimes it is ok not to say anything, Schwalbe. It is ok.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Schwalbe on March 05, 2015, 04:28:30 pm
I'm sorry. I went full retarded.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Dementio on March 05, 2015, 05:35:27 pm
Apology, accepted.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Indreams on March 06, 2015, 01:08:32 pm
This thread kinda turned into "Who's German and Who's Almost German".

I really want to talk about whether history would have been different if Bismark used airships offensively in his campaigns.

If Bismark had used airships in the Franco-Prussian war, the French would not have built the extensive defensives on the German front, and World War I would have been a very different war. So I'm blaming Bismark for WW I because he didn't use Airships in Franco-Prussian War.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: MightyKeb on March 06, 2015, 04:58:00 pm
This thread kinda turned into "Who's German and Who's Almost German".

I really want to talk about whether history would have been different if Bismark used airships offensively in his campaigns.

If Bismark had used airships in the Franco-Prussian war, the French would not have built the extensive defensives on the German front, and World War I would have been a very different war. So I'm blaming Bismark for WW I because he didn't use Airships in Franco-Prussian War.

Really, it's better that way. Had airships kept an influence throughout most of WW1 and WW2, companies like Activision would likely take inspiration and make Modern Airship Warfare 3, yuck.


Well, alteast Captain Price would be an actual captain  :P
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Indreams on March 06, 2015, 07:14:15 pm
Well, I think,

If Bismarck had set the example in the Franco-Prussian war by making extensive use of airships, other major powers would have invested in the technology. Then, WW I wouldn't have been a savage meat grinder, but a sophisticated warfare, technology to technology. America probably wouldn't have been involved. Activision probably would have made games like, Call of Duty: Spanish-American war, or Freedom Fighters: Civil War and Civil Rights, promoting important American historical events without so much needless violence.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Schwalbe on April 09, 2015, 06:00:24 pm
Found today on 9FAG:

(http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/am0mdj2_700b_v1.jpg)

Btw., the caption: "Only history majors in the US and average Europeans will get this joke".

Heh.



I laughed.






Really.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Indreams on April 09, 2015, 07:08:10 pm
Lol

He'll Unite that Germany with Blood and Iron.

Lol
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: GeoRmr on April 10, 2015, 01:25:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LN0PvnG.jpg)
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Indreams on April 11, 2015, 04:53:07 am
Didn't realize that was a war hammer joke until Replaceable. :D

(http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2055/1276549541935.jpg)
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Replaceable on April 11, 2015, 06:28:59 am
Didn't realize that was a war hammer joke until Replaceable. :D

(http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2055/1276549541935.jpg)
U wot, what did I do?
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: MagKel on April 11, 2015, 10:59:47 am
Actually, coming to think of it, do we have no Germans on the forums?

Schwaibe is Polish, Mr. Disaster is Polish, most of us are Brits or Americans (or Asian Americans). Anybody German?

this is actually interesting. Where are Zee Germans?

We have Russians, we have Spanish, we have Italians, we have French. Usually Germans are consistent gamers, popping clans like a blender with balloons.

wo sind die Deutschen?

what's the story behind the german population of GOIO?
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Byron Cavendish on April 11, 2015, 12:34:05 pm
The gents have quite a few Germans.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: ShadedExalt on April 11, 2015, 11:13:43 pm
I AM CANADIAN

that is all
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Indreams on April 15, 2015, 09:24:13 am
I AM CANADIAN

that is all

No, you are an American with amazing healthcare system, a decent democratic government, a better version of American handegg (hockey), and lots of snow.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: MightyKeb on April 15, 2015, 01:33:41 pm
I AM CANADIAN

that is all

No, you are an American with amazing healthcare system, a decent democratic government, a better version of American handegg (hockey), and lots of snow.


Sooooo why do we hate superior america Canada again?
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Lanliss on April 15, 2015, 02:08:11 pm
Jealousy?
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Koali on April 15, 2015, 10:46:38 pm
Jealousy?

Jealousy.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: MagKel on April 16, 2015, 04:22:27 am
Jealousy?

Jealousy.
(http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/apoY335_700b.jpg)
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Schwalbe on April 16, 2015, 07:13:07 am
Jealousy?

Jealousy.

Jeeeeaaaalooooouuuusyyyyy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FsGPOlbabk)
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: ShadedExalt on April 19, 2015, 09:28:54 am
I AM CANADIAN

that is all

No, you are an American with amazing healthcare system, a decent democratic government, a better version of American handegg (hockey), and lots of snow.
Sooooo why do we hate superior america Canada again?

Because we are better in most ways, and our military can match theirs in some places despite the fact America has the biggest military budget ever.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: MagKel on April 20, 2015, 08:24:35 am
Because we are better in most ways, and our military can match theirs in some places despite the fact America has the biggest military budget ever.

Dudes at 3rd bn Royal Canadians are rad.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Arturo Sanchez on April 20, 2015, 10:45:56 am
I AM CANADIAN

that is all

No, you are an American with amazing healthcare system, a decent democratic government, a better version of American handegg (hockey), and lots of snow.


Sooooo why do we hate superior america Canada again?

You voted a guy who started a war causing huge loss  in capital for your economy (and I stress for inevitably no reason) and thus highly effecting world economy and causing a recession.
And in the middle of the war. You vote him in AGAIN, to screw things up even more.

A powerful nation run by morons, voted into power by other morons. But that's just me, iunno about anyone else.

I look into american politics and I just die inside like every time I log into guns during a sale.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: ShadedExalt on April 20, 2015, 07:25:08 pm
Because we are better in most ways, and our military can match theirs in some places despite the fact America has the biggest military budget ever.

Dudes at 3rd bn Royal Canadians are rad.

We took Vimy Ridge in the most hardcore way ever.

And I have an uncle who trains people.  Immense respect (and immense fear XD)
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Koali on April 20, 2015, 07:51:33 pm
'Murican government is a strange beast. I think we actually shut down for a little while to figure out how to spend the money we didn't actually have to begin with.

The NSA is gonna hunt me down for mentioning this.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Indreams on April 20, 2015, 09:15:08 pm
'Murican government is a strange beast. I think we actually shut down for a little while to figure out how to spend the money we didn't actually have to begin with.

The NSA is gonna hunt me down for mentioning this.

Nah, NSA will record you. It'd be something else that hunts you down...

America is one of the oldest functioning democracy/republic in the world. Hence, it has bunch of problems.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Koali on April 20, 2015, 10:53:08 pm
'Murican government is a strange beast. I think we actually shut down for a little while to figure out how to spend the money we didn't actually have to begin with.

The NSA is gonna hunt me down for mentioning this.

Nah, NSA will record you. It'd be something else that hunts you down...

America is one of the oldest functioning democracy/republic in the world. Hence, it has bunch of problems.

Somehow still functioning. What keeps us ticking?
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Lanliss on April 21, 2015, 12:20:49 am
Patriotism. Or spite.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: ShadedExalt on April 21, 2015, 07:48:58 pm
Patriotism. Or spite.

Proooobably spite.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Koali on April 22, 2015, 09:17:56 am
Spite towards the British who, all things considered, are actually pretty cool people.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: MightyKeb on April 22, 2015, 09:19:48 am
A country that thrives on fallacies

God save u- oh wait, that's where it comes from!
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Lanliss on April 22, 2015, 04:44:33 pm
Spite towards the British who, all things considered, are actually pretty cool people.

I have no problem with British people. I think it is less towards one group of people, and more just general spite towards everyone who disagrees with us. "You don't want us to go to war? Well, I didn't plan on it, but now that I know you don't want to...". Thoughts like that probably fill all of America.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: ShadedExalt on April 22, 2015, 05:01:35 pm
Spite towards the British who, all things considered, are actually pretty cool people.

I have no problem with British people. I think it is less towards one group of people, and more just general spite towards everyone who disagrees with us. "You don't want us to go to war? Well, I didn't plan on it, but now that I know you don't want to...". Thoughts like that probably fill all of America.

British people have the sexiest accent.

You guys want it, so you're spiteful.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: Koali on April 22, 2015, 05:09:19 pm
There's Mr. Cumberbatch and his pengwings, for one thing.

Naw, for accents I go further north to Scotland.
Title: Re: Otto von Bismarck
Post by: ShadedExalt on April 22, 2015, 05:12:14 pm
I also go south to Aus, and sorta Germany.