Guns Of Icarus Online
Info => Feedback and Suggestions => Topic started by: Sammy B. T. on May 17, 2014, 03:06:17 pm
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Please, just be tyrannical once for the greater good
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You mean only the owner/captain of the ship can pilot it, or only pilot class can be in captain slot, or only pilot class can get on the helm?
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Unless you are in the captain spot, you can not physically be a pilot.
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Hm, I guess he was saying that only people with leader skills should take piloting position. Unless you are captain in heart, dont take the bloody helm.
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The captain already gets helm privileges. Captains always steer the ship, a captain is always an engineer or a pilot. Crew are always engineer or gunner, because pilots are absolutely useless off helm. Sammy is asking muse to prevent crew from switching to pilot. There is no reason for crew ever to switch to pilot, people only do it if they are clueless or trolling.
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Don't forget the times when we're having the hilarity builds. (4 captain junker, for hilarity's sake.)
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I'm sorry but the "hilarity" pales in comparison to the frustration of people joining as a pilot as the countdown starts and then refuse to change because "You aren't in command of me." The latter is amazingly common. The former is just silly.
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Ok, so the only way to choose pilot class is to be in the captain slot... no joining running games as pilot unless the slot is open.
I can't argue with that, even for silliness' sake. Matchmaking is supposed to fix that issue... I guess.
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What about when a crew member NEEDS both a spyglass and a range-finder more than they need 3 ammo types or 3 repair tools, or perhaps they run a tag team strategy swapping out to use defensive flight tools such as drogue chute and impact bumpers? That top right gun on the front of a pyra can easily be manned by a crew member with a pipewrench, 1 choice of ammo, and nothing else. Absolutely viable, and don't deny it.
copilot is best tactic
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The captain already gets helm privileges. Captains always steer the ship, a captain is always an engineer or a pilot. Crew are always engineer or gunner, because pilots are absolutely useless off helm. Sammy is asking muse to prevent crew from switching to pilot. There is no reason for crew ever to switch to pilot, people only do it if they are clueless or trolling.
Yesterday I flew on desert scrap aboard Reths mine junker, as I was the only other crewmember, he elected to pilot as a gunner to have more flexibility while shooting the mine launcher after we parked up in the point. Absolutely viable, and don't deny it.
There are situations where another person has crewed as a gunner for me in the captain spot in order to use captain chat and relay commands while I piloted, (I have no microphone) the gunner often having more situational awareness than engineers in regards to ship positioning as they are manning guns 90% of the time not tied down on repairs. Absolutely viable, and don't deny it.
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denied
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What about when a crew member NEEDS both a spyglass and a range-finder more than they need 3 ammo types or 3 repair tools, or perhaps they run a tag team strategy swapping out to use defensive flight tools such as drogue chute and impact bumpers? That top right gun on the front of a pyra can easily be manned by a crew member with a pipewrench, 1 choice of ammo, and nothing else. Absolutely viable, and don't deny it.
copilot is best tactic
Copilot best tactic? We are anxious to see it in competitive matches.
Unless you need copiloting only for free achievement farm. But you never did anything like that, Geo ;D
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Yesterday I flew on desert scrap aboard Reths mine junker, as I was the only other crewmember, he elected to pilot as a gunner to have more flexibility while shooting the mine launcher after we parked up in the point. Absolutely viable, and don't deny it.
I pilot my Mobula as a gunner quite often. While pilots (lower case due to illegitimate command) do sometimes join matches either by mistake or as trolls, removing that choice is not necessarily a good idea. if you wanted an "All Pilots are Captains but Captains aren't all Pilots" rule, I could kind of understand. It isn't particularly necessary though.
If someone joins as a pilot then if they're clueless - educate them. If they're trolls - report them and move on. It's worked for me so far :D
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maybe remove the ability to midmatch join as a pilot not in a captain slot? cause I think that's where the main issue lies.
although personally I'd have no objection to a total ban on crew pilots.
the problem with educating the clueless and reporting a troll is that it doesn't change the fact that your match has been ruined. Sure, you can do what you can to prevent the same person causing the same issue in the future.. but that doesn't mean it's a non-issue.
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Yesterday I flew on desert scrap aboard Reths mine junker, as I was the only other crewmember, he elected to pilot as a gunner to have more flexibility while shooting the mine launcher after we parked up in the point. Absolutely viable, and don't deny it.
I pilot my Mobula as a gunner quite often. While pilots (lower case due to illegitimate command) do sometimes join matches either by mistake or as trolls, removing that choice is not necessarily a good idea. if you wanted an "All Pilots are Captains but Captains aren't all Pilots" rule, I could kind of understand. It isn't particularly necessary though.
If someone joins as a pilot then if they're clueless - educate them. If they're trolls - report them and move on. It's worked for me so far :D
This was purely because ai don't shoot mines, we had 2 ai so he piloted us into the point as a gunner then hopped off the helm and on to the gun.
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the problem with educating the clueless and reporting a troll is that it doesn't change the fact that your match has been ruined. Sure, you can do what you can to prevent the same person causing the same issue in the future.. but that doesn't mean it's a non-issue.
You are correct in your sentiment, and I do agree that you won't get that match back - but a new player vs an experienced player in any role will make a difference to a ship no matter what (whether it is a good or bad difference is utterly dependent on their skill).
Still, it's only one match - and isn't a serious one. Playing with and against pubs means signing a piece of paper acknowledging that you may have to deal with people who don't know what they're doing yet. It's all part of the game from that perspective. :)
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but a new player vs an experienced player in any role will make a difference to a ship no matter what (whether it is a good or bad difference is utterly dependent on their skill).
Still, it's only one match - and isn't a serious one. Playing with and against pubs means signing a piece of paper acknowledging that you may have to deal with people who don't know what they're doing yet. It's all part of the game from that perspective. :)
That's not true, engineering skill is mostly learned from knowledge, and knowledge doesn't have to come from experience. I've met people playing their first match who were already excellent engineers or gunners, and a fair bit of the reverse. The goal is for everyone to have fun, and clueless people mid-joining as pilots is not fun, or at least a lot less fun than clueless people mid-joining as engi or gunner.
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That's not true, engineering skill is mostly learned from knowledge, and knowledge doesn't have to come from experience. I've met people playing their first match who were already excellent engineers or gunners, and a fair bit of the reverse. The goal is for everyone to have fun, and clueless people mid-joining as pilots is not fun, or at least a lot less fun than clueless people mid-joining as engi or gunner.
Apologies for the misunderstanding. In my book, skill and knowledge are synonymous. :D
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That's not true, engineering skill is mostly learned from knowledge, and knowledge doesn't have to come from experience. I've met people playing their first match who were already excellent engineers or gunners, and a fair bit of the reverse. The goal is for everyone to have fun, and clueless people mid-joining as pilots is not fun, or at least a lot less fun than clueless people mid-joining as engi or gunner.
Apologies for the misunderstanding. In my book, skill and knowledge are synonymous. :D
"skill" is not the word you used.
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(whether it is a good or bad difference is utterly dependent on their skill).
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Jacob, I am not saying that captains have to be pilots. I am just saying that the option to be pilot should be unselectable for those not in the pilot slot.
If there was a way to prevent double pilots, choose who speaks over captain chat, things like that, then thig might not be needed. However, at the very least I wish there was some acknowledgement that the captain ought to be the pilot.
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Matchmaking will fix this issue happening mid game, However in the lobby it will still be possible to change to pilot,but then that is active trolling so feel free to report.
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I've come across plenty of players who honestly didn't understand, so I don't think reporting it as trolling is a "fix-all." And while matchmaking may solve it, it still seems a long way off.
I haven't read a majority of this thread, but yea.