Guns Of Icarus Online
Community => Community Events => Topic started by: Letonator on January 14, 2014, 08:41:24 pm
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The COGS tournament is nearly upon us, but because of challenges in organize has been repeatedly set back. With the unfortunate disappearance of Qwerty, we're moving forward with COGS S3 as a group effort, with many clans already eagerly participating in the production and prep-work associated with getting ready for an event of this size.
Season Three of the COGS tournament is going to start in just a week and a half (January 25th), a week later than originally planned but with good reason. We're going to be using all the previous rules and information ( https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,2502.0.html (https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,2502.0.html) ) from everything Qwerty put together, and hopefully keep him as involved as possible. The first week will be randomly selected matches, which will be used to see the first round (without points awarded) of the COGS turning.
Signups should be posted by clan leaders in the thread below, and if clan leaders could confirm with me over Steam or Skype to make sure all information is accurate, I'd appreciate it. Feel free to direct any questions or concerns to myself as well, you can simply PM me, email, or message.
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I thought Urz said he'd rather make his own event rather than inherit Cogs.
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I thought Urz said he'd rather make his own event rather than inherit Cogs.
I believe Leto will be taking over. In case you haven't heard him cast yet I can verify he's quite awesome at it.
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I know Leto was planning on reaching out to see if Urz was interested in helping out. Leto was looking to make a second casting team. But no, Urz is not inheriting cogs.
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I thought Urz said he'd rather make his own event rather than inherit Cogs.
I believe Leto will be taking over. In case you haven't heard him cast yet I can verify he's quite awesome at it.
I have tried and failed to find replays of past streams by the robanddanshow before as I'm not always available to watch these streams live. Will you guys be uploading the matches to either twitch or youtube after the streams end?
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I thought Urz said he'd rather make his own event rather than inherit Cogs.
I believe Leto will be taking over. In case you haven't heard him cast yet I can verify he's quite awesome at it.
I have tried and failed to find replays of past streams by the robanddanshow before as I'm not always available to watch these streams live. Will you guys be uploading the matches to either twitch or youtube after the streams end?
I believe so? http://robanddan.tv/youtube-video-archives/
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Also the event is posted on my site http://theharborside.webs.com/
All the details you need should be available there.
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I thought Urz said he'd rather make his own event rather than inherit Cogs.
I believe Leto will be taking over. In case you haven't heard him cast yet I can verify he's quite awesome at it.
I have tried and failed to find replays of past streams by the robanddanshow before as I'm not always available to watch these streams live. Will you guys be uploading the matches to either twitch or youtube after the streams end?
We'll be posting them to our YouTube page - youtube.com/therobanddanshow (http://youtube.com/therobanddanshow)
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Signups should be posted by clan leaders in the thread below
In this thread below or in the stickied one (https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,2857.0.html)?
Also, will there be a seeding tournament similar to what has been discussed here (https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,2502.msg54335.html#msg54335)?
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so qwerty has left again?
this is getting really confusing.
No offense leto Im sure you'd do a really good job.
But a lot of the rules imposed in cogs seemed to be forced by qwerty when he created season 3.
Wouldnt it make more sens to make it as simple as can be?
I remember season 1 when the casters and organizers didnt even know who were playing who week after week.
also does it start 25 january or 18th january (seeding)? really confused here.
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so qwerty has left again?
this is getting really confusing.
No offense leto Im sure you'd do a really good job.
But a lot of the rules imposed in cogs seemed to be forced by qwerty when he created season 3.
Wouldnt it make more sens to make it as simple as can be?
I remember season 1 when the casters and organizers didnt even know who were playing who week after week.
also does it start 25 january or 18th january (seeding)? really confused here.
It might be simpler and less controversial to try to let Leto roll with what Qwerty designed. I imagine Letonator would rather keep rolling with what we have and start streaming some awesome battles than go back to the drawing board.
In any case it sounds like there must be a bunch of people under the pump at the moment to get this rolling. I assume you are working closely with Muse to get this going, if you aren't I suggest you get them involved. I wish Qwerty, Rob, Dan, Muse and everyone else that has been involved in season 3 organisation the best of luck over the next few months.
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I love leto, and I think he's a great caster, and I think he would do really well at this. But I want to know who made this decision, and what lead to it. Not that I have anything against it, but this sprang up rather suddenly, with out any discussion about how to move forward.
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Well BFS bringing the Blue and Black either way. But if something else gets hiccuped we'll have Aerodrome ready to go soon too.
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I know Leto was planning on reaching out to see if Urz was interested in helping out. Leto was looking to make a second casting team. But no, Urz is not inheriting cogs.
Let me clarify, we had a meeting last night with a few clans discussing how we'd want to proceed if qwerty ran away again. Urz said he'd rather make a new event than try and run Cogs without qwerty (being the projected producer for season 3). That being said, seeing as how this is qwerty's thing with the community's support, I don't think me, or you, or anyone has the right to decide or dictate who gets to "inherit" cogs, whether it's urz or leto, or anyone else, as no one but qwerty really owns it.
So I think if we are going to proceed down this path, then as a community we need to have complete transparency and openness in the decision making, and agreement of how to proceed and move forward with the event. Just springing this up without talking about it, but making it a definite statement seems a bit brash and presumptuous, as if certain select few individuals are in the back making decisions about an event. How else would we have arrived at a thread decided who will be casting, when this event will happen, and how it will work without any prior discussion. If this is indeed a community event, why was Brick not approached? Why was Urz not approached? They have just as much right as leto, They are the senior commentators and producers, if they say no that's one thing, but it doesn't seem that way. Ideally they'd all work together to do this. I want this to happen as soon as possible, I've hated these delays, but just because qwerty is absent doesn't mean anyone can just pounce on it and say "mine!".
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I know Leto was planning on reaching out to see if Urz was interested in helping out. Leto was looking to make a second casting team. But no, Urz is not inheriting cogs.
Let me clarify, we had a meeting last night with a few clans discussing how we'd want to proceed if qwerty ran away again. Urz said he'd rather make a new event than try and run Cogs without qwerty (being the projected producer for season 3). That being said, seeing as how this is qwerty's thing with the community's support, I don't think me, or you, or anyone has the right to decide or dictate who gets to "inherit" cogs, whether it's urz or leto, or anyone else, as no one but qwerty really owns it.
So I think if we are going to proceed down this path, then as a community we need to have complete transparency and openness in the decision making, and agreement of how to proceed and move forward with the event. Just springing this up without talking about it, but making it a definite statement seems a bit brash and presumptuous, as if certain select few individuals are in the back making decisions about an event. How else would we have arrived at a thread decided who will be casting, when this event will happen, and how it will work without any prior discussion. If this is indeed a community event, why was Brick not approached? Why was Urz not approached? They have just as much right as leto, They are the senior commentators and producers, if they say no that's one thing, but it doesn't seem that way. Ideally they'd all work together to do this. I want this to happen as soon as possible, I've hated these delays, but just because qwerty is absent doesn't mean anyone can just pounce on it and say "mine!".
So who is the custodian of cogs while qwerty is absent? My assumption is that it would be Muse which is why I said "I assume you are working closely with Muse to get this going."
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I know Leto was planning on reaching out to see if Urz was interested in helping out. Leto was looking to make a second casting team. But no, Urz is not inheriting cogs.
Let me clarify, we had a meeting last night with a few clans discussing how we'd want to proceed if qwerty ran away again. Urz said he'd rather make a new event than try and run Cogs without qwerty (being the projected producer for season 3). That being said, seeing as how this is qwerty's thing with the community's support, I don't think me, or you, or anyone has the right to decide or dictate who gets to "inherit" cogs, whether it's urz or leto, or anyone else, as no one but qwerty really owns it.
So I think if we are going to proceed down this path, then as a community we need to have complete transparency and openness in the decision making, and agreement of how to proceed and move forward with the event. Just springing this up without talking about it, but making it a definite statement seems a bit brash and presumptuous, as if certain select few individuals are in the back making decisions about an event. How else would we have arrived at a thread decided who will be casting, when this event will happen, and how it will work without any prior discussion. If this is indeed a community event, why was Brick not approached? Why was Urz not approached? They have just as much right as leto, They are the senior commentators and producers, if they say no that's one thing, but it doesn't seem that way. Ideally they'd all work together to do this. I want this to happen as soon as possible, I've hated these delays, but just because qwerty is absent doesn't mean anyone can just pounce on it and say "mine!".
So who is the custodian of cogs while qwerty is absent? My assumption is that it would be Muse which is why I said "I assume you are working closely with Muse to get this going."
I think what he is trying to figure out is wether leto or the ducks are working with muse on this.
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I'm with Byron on this one. I'm pretty fed up at this point with delays and management changes that just seem to happen and we are supposed to just nod our heads and accept. No offence to Leto. I've had a few rounds with him and he's a decent guy, but I have no idea of his track record with running events. We've been waiting since November for this to start, and I have very little confidence anymore that Cogs will be run properly, or without more delays.
Before I just sign up and accept anything, I too would like to know how this decision was reached, why it was reached, and who was involved with it.
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I think we should lead this one out to pasture and let it die. Start something new, fresh start, with community involvement that is a serious competitive scene with regular management.
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Hey Guys,
Just wanted to step in and explain as much as I can since there seems to be some confusion.
Qwerty was in charge of the cogs and was working with Leto from an organizational stand point. I was contacted this Monday since Qwerty still hasn't shown up and it's unfair that his absence should stop one of the biggest events we've had.
This means you can blame me for giving the organizational change of face. Leto has been included since the beginning and the change in command is really just changing who in the car is holding the steering wheel. To continue the metaphor Qwerty may or may not be in the car.
Leto has done a lot of amazing work both in casting Guns and helping set up the natural selection competitive community. He became a natural choice since Cogs shouldn't be run by any clan, nor by Muse (sorry for the season 2 mistakes!)
As always it is your choice to join his event or not, but I can promise that Leto is serious about this event and making sure everyone has a great time.
My advice?
Join in, play for the day and see how it goes.
If you have any questions I'm sure Leto would be happy to explain in detail if you PM him.
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understandable.
now knowing leto was there all the time brings some logic into my mind now.
by the way, what type of car are we talking about?
rolls royce or steampunk ferrari?
and yes season 2 was a bit chaotic but at least you tried.
can't blame muse for trying.
we blame shinkurex.
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You always blame Shink :P And why settle for a Steampunk Ferrari when you can have a Steampunk Veyron :P
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I would buy a steampunk veyron
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-BIG UPDATE-
We just had a really nice brainstorm session with a few folks, Urz, Gents, Overwatch, Cake, Ducks, and Muse included, and we've decided because there was so much confusion, baggage, and clutter associated with this project that we're going to go ahead and let it pass on, there will not be a S3 of COGS. I'm simply not well known enough in the community yet to flag an event of this size, as much experience or knowledge as there may be on our side, to take this from Qwerty and move forward with it.
Now the good news. In it's place, Urz and I are going to head a new, fresh, constructed from scratch project that will allow everyone to be competative and excited for it. The plan going forward is for Urz to host a few Saturday matches, while we not only put this new, streamlined plan together, as well as gather every major and minor clan lead we can find and present it to you all, then hammer and refine it to a point where we can bring the entire community together over this.
We'll be in contact directly with clan leads and members over what's going on with this project, and we'll post on the forums or somewhere public to notify everyone of the time of the meeting where we all put the finishing touches on this. Urz and I agree that we want this to be the big event that the entire GOIO community can be involved in and never feel excluded or disenfranchised, which is why we're going to be heavily involving the clans and membership in it's creation.
-- Everyone is going to have a say in how this event is structured, we not only need everyone's support for this, but we want it!--
I personally apologize to have tossed everyone around a bit like this, it's not how I wanted to do things, but that's how things happened and I do feel bad for it. We're going to take the time to get this new event done properly, to make it something really special.
Thank you all for your understanding in this situation, and good flying into the future!
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-BIG UPDATE-
We just had a really nice brainstorm session with a few folks, Urz, Gents, Overwatch, Cake, Ducks, and Muse included, and we've decided because there was so much confusion, baggage, and clutter associated with this project that we're going to go ahead and let it pass on, there will not be a S3 of COGS. I'm simply not well known enough in the community yet to flag an event of this size, as much experience or knowledge as there may be on our side, to take this from Qwerty and move forward with it.
Now the good news. In it's place, Urz and I are going to head a new, fresh, constructed from scratch project that will allow everyone to be competative and excited for it. The plan going forward is for Urz to host a few Saturday matches, while we not only put this new, streamlined plan together, as well as gather every major and minor clan lead we can find and present it to you all, then hammer and refine it to a point where we can bring the entire community together over this.
We'll be in contact directly with clan leads and members over what's going on with this project, and we'll post on the forums or somewhere public to notify everyone of the time of the meeting where we all put the finishing touches on this. Urz and I agree that we want this to be the big event that the entire GOIO community can be involved in and never feel excluded or disenfranchised, which is why we're going to be heavily involving the clans and membership in it's creation.
-- Everyone is going to have a say in how this event is structured, we not only need everyone's support for this, but we want it!--
I personally apologize to have tossed everyone around a bit like this, it's not how I wanted to do things, but that's how things happened and I do feel bad for it. We're going to take the time to get this new event done properly, to make it something really special.
Thank you all for your understanding in this situation, and good flying into the future!
This has made me so happy. Hopefully all our hard work will come together. Thank you for taking this responsibility on. I am sure it is in the right hands with the community but also with Urz and yourself Leto.
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The Ducks are overjoyed to see that Urz is working with instead of against Muse, Leto, and the larger community. We'll help however we can.
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Overwatch are in full support of this new endeavor and encourage clans to sign up for Urz's current Saturday event the Saturday Box Social to quell those competitive Saturday desires in the meantime.
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Can Cogs truly be reborn as in can we keep the name Cogs? For many this will have some baggage attached to. But I really liked the name and I know that others do to. Just a thought
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...Now I'm sad. How did all this happen in a day?
I knew Qwerty was having issues, but I didn't think that it was going to lead to the cogs dying again. Why didn't any of the groups involved besides Muse think to contact me?
If the demand is still there for an impartial event, I'm willing to run Cogs S3 rather than let it die due to inactivity and multiple delays. After all, how hard can it be?
Either way, it's still Wednesday, and most of the groundwork has already been done. Expect a match listing up within the next few hours using the existing signups. THE COGS SHALL LIVE ON!
Now we just have to hope Qwerty recovers his voice by Saturday.
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Let it go, Swallow.
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NEVER.
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You guys have got to be kidding me -_-
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Can we decide on this plz? We were hoping to run Aerodrome on a pre Cogs time slot. If its not happening then we might as well adjust it and open it to more teams.
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Read leto's post. Most of the clans have thrown in support for the box social while leto and and urz design a new serious tournament event, which will take a few weeks.
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sacrilege won't support a reboot
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this is per definition dead. the old organizers have shown little interest in keep promises. I think most of us, not speaking for team but for the people who are tired of the feuds in the competitive scene, that we cleanslate and create something new, simple and accessible.
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yep.
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I was under the impression that the box special was a stop gap measure until a real event got started. Ducks are waiting for the real event.
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I was under the impression that the box special was a stop gap measure until a real event got started.
That is the current plan.
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Ok if we are going to do a fart around event then we'll roll out Aerodrome. Probably post it the end of the week when the vid is done.
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I would not categorize it as a "fart around" event. The Box Social is as much a competition as any other event I've run, but we do aim to replace it with something more 'substantial' in the near future.
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In my opinion you should place this event even more in a official position.
Because there already is a big section on the forums being dedicated to the Cogs, then why not make this the main Tournament of GoIo?
The system Itself was just fine, you simply needed to make the rules more clear.
The Cogs really has the "Competitive GoIo" Genre which you can't create that easily.
The tournament is as steampunk as it can be, it simply represents the main competitive side of GoIo.
My suggestion will be to give it to muse after you guys tweaked it out.
I think Muse would take good care of it and make sure it will keep that "Competitive GoIo" Genre.
If you keep continouing to make a "new" thing for the cogs then TFD still be supporting you guys.
But make sure to make a system that is as solid as the original Cogs, if it all collapses and breacks down you'll bring alot of harm to the Cogs and anything related to it. So I really hope you guys know what you're doing.
Also:
It would be nice if we can apply Flotsam rules in the "new system".
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I wouldn't call cogs a solid event at all - at least from the organizational side it has rather been a nightmare (judging based on my experiences in season 2). That being said, I'm glad that Urz is getting involved into this, as he has proven to be a competent and reliable organizer by running the cogs for 20 consecutive weeks now. Furthermore I like the way he handled all those little crises popping up along the run.
So while I'm not exactly existed that the start of our league gets pushed back yet again, I'm looking forward to what you guys have got planned. Just make sure that the whole things get the muse's "official"-tag, so we've got one regular serious event on saturday followed by the more casual sunday rumble.
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Giving it to Muse would be a disaster. They've botched every competitive thing they've tried. This will be done with the creativity and skill of Urz and Leto, from the community for the community. Hopefully they get the full Muse support.
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yeah after seeing what i posted...
I take my words back that the Cogs was a solid system.
The idea behind it was good but the way it was implemented was amateuristic. no offense qwerty, but it's an oval.
you should really invent something that supports new teams, because we currently are stuck with just some major clans because no one can defeat the veteran players.
also the giving it to muse idea was kinda silly indeed, letting them organise after what they have done at the end season 2 event.
I just think they have learned from it and if they are responsible for their own tournament of the game they would put more effort in it.
I wouldn't know why Muse won't support them because I truly think you guys can create something great.
Clear and Reprogram.
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In the meantime there will be a great box social in that Saturday time slot to keep teams active and competing.
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I still recommend using the proposed rules for planetary cogs. You don't have to call it that, but the system created is fantastic. It was basically created to fix the issues from S1 and S2
Advantages
- With competent and present leadership, the system will run smoothly
- It awards rankings
- It begins at a minimum 6 matches between 12 teams which should be the closest match ups (due to the rankings) and can increase with new players
- There is no wait period if you lose (unless you are the one unlucky team in a scenario with an odd number of teams in which you have a 1 week wait)
- It has a campaign feel to it as your match outcomes affects your placement
Its certainly not casual but I don't think we're looking for casual. If Sunday Rumbles just become Saturday Rumbles and all competitive GOIO becomes is just casual single bracket elimination tournaments unattached from each other, I think we are doing ourselves a great disservice.
Btw, I should note I am not using the word casual in a derogatory sense and I appreciate the role of the Sunday Rumble. Its a simple tournament and that is the point and it does a great job at that. Saturdays can be so much more than simple.
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Im pretty sure that is the intended task of this new co-op effort. While casual fights are great, we are all looking for something more "solid" and has the feeling of a league. I can't say I'd be sad to see the system of cogs go, so long as whatever it is that come from all this matches the criteria you put in, minus numbers.
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I can't say I'd be sad to see the system of cogs go, so long as whatever it is that come from all this matches the criteria you put in, minus numbers.
Actually the system is quite a bit more adjustable when it comes to the number of clans than it looks like at the first glance.
I've created a brainstorming document regarding the cogs organization a while back which has been used by qwerty to form the rules.
Here's a link to a section covering the aspect of the systems adjustability to the clan scenes size. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h0fzxlV7KYqdCzqjWAilFCSv9rr5tMy9JsQV-Q9N9qQ/edit#heading=h.hd993icezrqr) I've only covered cases of clan scene growth, which has probably been a bit optimistic, but after all reducing the size isn't a big deal either. One could simply remove slots from the gears or cut entire cogwheels.
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i just want to make sure everyone knows cogs was a poor set up and i didn't feel invited. (new teams) i have had a team for over 5 or 6 months and i didn't sign up to cogs because it didn't feel like i was welcome
sammy you might be the only person that enjoy cogs and im sorry but it wasn't a community event if you are ok with not having good new completion and there are new clans that didn't sign up to this season of cogs
i only sign up because it was the only match on a saturday
main problems i have with the cogs system
over complex
planetary cogs
present leadership (passed leadership)
match ups ? who dissension is that(due to the rankings)
ranking formats
1 week wait or any wait
Tropo's view and not the whole of sacrilege
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Zill, If I can get those things I listed I would be happy with almost anything. The planetary cogs system is simply the best way I have encountered to achieve all of that. Maybe there are different systems and we'll end up with the Sticks Weekly Scrimmage, the Star Weekly Scrimmage, or the Heptagon Weekly Scrimmage. I just want dynamic rankings and not constant bracket tourneys. While I do love me a bracket event, the variable time nature (ranging from one match to all afternoon) just doesn't strike me as the main competitive guns event which is why I am pushing for something beyond those.
We've got a system that could work to fill that, no reason to throw that out now that we have people actively working to make the system.
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Im following you. The only reason I say the Cog's system doesn't have to be still there, is because some people find it overly complex, and lacking in ways to introduce new teams. I'm not so sure (it does have some charm, and improved the old system immensely), but regardless of what does spawn out of it all, you're right to say that "x" weekly event is not going to cut it. I'd like a season. I'd also like to see a way for new teams to join in, because we can surely all agree the scene hasn't been growing at all over the last two months.
I've never been more confident than I have now to see a large-scale event come out of this cooperative venture.
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when a veteran team can lose to a veteran team and then be matched vs a new team the week after. something is wrong and thats not new team friendly in any respect.
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Which is why the old system was scrapped.
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It would be a shame if the entirety of the Cogs S3 plan were thrown out. I know Wundsalz and Qwerty put quite a bit of work into it. The planetary gearing system, while somewhat complex on the surface, makes it easy to add new teams into the running, as Wundsalz has explained in his overview of the system. It also gives Saturday competitive play the persistent, large-scale flavor that many of the teams are looking for as a complement to the more casual Sunday Rumble. Another advantage that Cogs has is that each team only plays one game per Saturday, instead of having to block off what might end up being an entire day for a single-elimination bracket tournament.
And, for all of its faults during the second season, Cogs has a great aesthetic and ties in really well to the general steampunk theme of GoIO. There was something really cool each week about seeing the Cogs rotate, with all of the lower Cogs jockeying for position in an attempt to get their shot at the top Cog. With the event production skills of Urz and Leto, I bet some really cool graphics and animations for the cogs standings could easily be made.
Finally, Cogs is the oldest, most storied large-scale competitive event in GoIO presently. Why dispose of this tradition? There were flaws, to be sure, especially in the upcomers’ cog, but these have largely been fixed in the new system. It seems like quite a waste to simply discard this system, which has already gone extensive scrutiny and been met with general approval by the community. Now that much of the former divide between certain elements of the community has been healed, it’s a better time than ever to move forward with it, with input and cooperation from all.
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not sure if you heard me this like 5th i talked with sammy about how bad the planetary cogs system is
most games that have competitive scene have ladder or bracket no reason to make up some crap about 'planetary cogs'
make is simple so we can have a more competitive league of team and grown the community
the point that you have continue to ignore my view is pretty rude
tropo's view and not the whole of sacrilege
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Think the planetary system was interesting and worth trying out. I was curious to see it in action.
At the very least, it was much more interesting and fun than the scrim system which Muse pushed.
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If it were up to me (though it is not) I would do the competition in the following way:
We want the competition to be community led and so with that in mind we want to keep as much of the community playing as possible each week. So the competition starts off with a round robin. Every team plays every team. This will probably take between 8-12 weeks depending on the number of teams and how many games can be fit into each viewing period. The games would be best of two in this round robin stage. This is an attempt for people not only to win matches but also to play with the minimal loses possible as victory could be down to the number of kills and deaths. If there is a 1-1 situation the winner is determined on the amount of kills that have been achieved in the past two games. If there is a still a draw after kills have been totted up then both teams take a draw. During this period you get 0 points for a loss 1 for a draw and 2 for a win.
After every team has played every team the scores for each team are collected. The points that have been gathered from the round robin stage now seed the teams in an order from 1 to whatever #. The Team in position 1 who had the highest points throughout the round robin period now play the team at the bottom of the table who had the least points. The team in position 2 play the team who were second last and so on and so forth. The downside of this is that there have to be an equal number of teams, so sign ups come on a first come first served basis. Unless somebody can think of a clever way of incorporating an odd number of teams into this system that is fair of course.
This round is a best of 3. So there is a clear winner. The winner of match 1 vs 12 proceed up the table and compete more as does the winner of 2 vs 11 and so on and so forth. The competition now looks more pyramid like with more teams being removed form the running of becoming champion. But it is not over for the teams who lose. The losers of match 1 vs 12 and 2 vs 11 etc etc play each other. And this continuos so you have a pyramid of matches going downwards from the centre line. These run up matches can continue in each bracket meaning that you have more teams competing week in and week out, giving it that feeling of a community run event still. So hopefully by the end of the competition most teams have been playing consistently, and the whole ranking order is done from the Champions in position 1 to those that didn't do so well at the bottom with everyone in between having been catered for also.
The Final will be a best of 5.
The game time limit will be 20 minutes in the round robin stage. Its a real challenge for teams to win matches but also not concede many deaths and I think is an interesting dynamic especially with this small time constraint. Similarly to the CESports rules if there are not 3 kills before this mark then you have 2 minutes of overtime, afterwards it is a draw in that match if no kills have been achieved and you move on. If there is a kill in this overtime but not reaching 3 then the team with the most kills wins. If 20 minutes expires and you have 3 or more kills then that team is the victor. If it is 3-3 then there is overtime and afterwards the team with the most kills wins.
The second competition stage has a 30 minute running time but the same rules regarding overtime and who wins in scenarios when the full kill limit has not been achieved. The final also has this same running time.
I have thought about this in some detail but not in a huge amount. I really would like some way of keeping people involved throughout the stage so it doesn't just become this very elite model that previous Cogs were. I would like to know any feedback that you have or any questions you may have, or if anything didn't make sense.
Obviously the new competitive scene is not up to me, this is my personal opinion on a format that could work. But if we could agree with something then that would be awesome. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
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the planetary system still makes it possible for a vet team to lose vs. a vet team and then fight a new team the week after. that hasnt changed. there are just more split up cogs, meaning some teams might never face eachother.
cogs might have been the first and most persistent thing. but thats only because there were so few teams back then, that no one dared even think about splitting the competitive scene. more teams have been created today, and the overall history of cogs is a disaster of bad management and terrible esport potential, it wont get the support from the majority of teams due to the fact they dont want to stall progress of actually making something that has been tested over and over in countless of esports games.
if cogs is history then I will remember it as something terrible, I could go on for hours, but I wont. Keep defending it all you want, I just want to see something made proper.
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Well they would have to lose two weeks minimum in a row to have dropped that far to teams ranked below them assuming they began this steak on the lowest spot. Also what system do you propose that would ensure a very team never faces a new team? Bracket tourneys definitely don't.
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the planetary system still makes it possible for a vet team to lose vs. a vet team and then fight a new team the week after. that hasnt changed. there are just more split up cogs, meaning some teams might never face each other.
Actually the system works like a blender when it comes to match making. the same match will reoccur after slot-count-of-wheel-1*slot-count-of-wheel-2 weeks (so 2*3 = 6 weeks in most cases) - IF 2 teams stay steady in the cogs for 6 weeks.
Regarding the weekly matches: Offering weekly matches for the entire community has been a design goal of the cog season 3. So yes, if you loose you're scheduled vs. a weaker team the week afterwards. I can not see what's wrong about that.
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I think the best elements of Cogs season 3 that should be preserved are these:
Every team plays every week - This keeps clans active and enjoying the game smashing each other to pieces
All matches are best of 1 - This makes the stakes extremely high, increasing the level of competition while simultaneously reducing the burden on casters and the wait on players. With teams playing every week, the losing sides will only have to wait a week to reclaim their honor.
The best teams play against the best teams. Other teams win to earn their place as the best teams while the losers drop down to play against easier foes.
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I think the best elements of Cogs season 3 that should be preserved are these:
Every team plays every week - This keeps clans active and enjoying the game smashing each other to pieces
All matches are best of 1 - This makes the stakes extremely high, increasing the level of competition while simultaneously reducing the burden on casters and the wait on players. With teams playing every week, the losing sides will only have to wait a week to reclaim their honor.
The best teams play against the best teams. Other teams win to earn their place as the best teams while the losers drop down to play against easier foes.
oh but don't think the ducks will be number 1 again.
That paritan rumble title is mine I tell you! :D
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That paritan rumble title is mine I tell you! :D
I beg to differ, there is no way you pity soul collectors can keep up with our relentless rhino charges (http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9514/zytipepvxrsgcksfxyseew.mp4).
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That paritan rumble title is mine I tell you! :D
I beg to differ, there is no way you pity soul collectors can keep up with our relentless rhino charges (http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9514/zytipepvxrsgcksfxyseew.mp4).
Oh seems the furrsuiters call me pitty. I laugh on the dead scrap of metal what you call "your ship".
Don't expect any mercy from us.
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That paritan rumble title is mine I tell you! :D
Almost. Better to almost lose a title than almost have a title. :p
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cogs is cancelled afaik
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cogs is cancelled afaik
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