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Suicide - risk/reward option or cheap tactic?

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Sammy B. T.:

--- Quote ---So by your standards I should have offered up my slowmo crippled ship to Destructoid as a free kill? Gimmie a break. I'm not giving enemies free kills just because Muse can't patch or fix the game properly.
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This would be a valid point if it wasn't for the fact that it would not have been a free kill since Destructoid was the one who put the initial damage on you. Sure destructoid would only need to do about 10% of a kill to get a point but that is because they already did the 90%

Veyka:
You can never preemptively ban Exploits/glitches like this as who is to say what is a deliberate mechanic and what is a glitch, but in this case it doesn't feel like something that's within the spirit of the game.

I tried it out today while flying a Pyra, and it was easy as pie, and if you got it down, and aimed for a flat bit of ground wouldn't take a moment. (Sorry Smollett et al!)

I don't feel like wading into the ethics of competitive play, but its something that made me feel shitty for doing, and I would support putting on a ban list for future cogs matches (Maybe just say no deliberate suicide? Might be some debate about how deliberate something is, but in practice I think it would be easy to tell if someone killed themselves on purpose).

Also, I don't think anyone was QQ'ing, did you really expect for there not to be a thread on the forums about it if you did it in a cogs match? Eh, what's done is done I suppose.

Wazulu :
Hmm, I'm mostly replying to Gilder here, as I'm sensing some bad blood, which I don't want at all. My post focused on how it changed the game around- in some ways I admire the trick for its sheer ingenuity and for a one off gamble it was pretty awesome. What I was getting at was this type of gameplay becoming commonplace, as teams could see it as viable.

In short, I bear no judgement on the people involved, but more on the consequences of the action itself for future games. Sorry if I came off heavily damning, it's just I imagined myself in a situation such as that with Paddling or MNS, and in that situation I probably wouldn't have stood for it.

Ofiach:
I'm sorry but it's about ship flying and tactical planning, not finding a loophole in the system and gaming it.

Maybe it's because I played competitive sports all my life, but I couldn't pull something like that in a competitive situation without feeling dirty. Now if I was flying against friends and wanted to troll them then I would use it and just keep using it over and over.

In a competitive set up that tactic is as bad as wiping paint in paintball.

I'm not going to attack someone personally because hey you did game the system and find a rule loophole and good on ya, now it needs to be fixed.

Mattilald Anguisad:

--- Quote from: Gilder on May 13, 2013, 06:04:31 pm ---QQ all you want but if you go about banning that then how about banning sniper matches entirely? You seem to like aggressive teams but continue to let camper teams rule the matches. Hows that right? Whats more exciting, an engineer battle with sniper teams or a pilot and crew battle with aggressive teams? Battles with actual tactics and ambushing or sitting in one spot pew pewing?

I've known about the trick for a few weeks and have tested it mostly in practice. I've kept the trick as a reserve trump card not planning to use it until facing range battles. But I haven't kept it secret. I've mentioned to many of you the possibility of using it. Now suddenly angry when I do?

So by your standards I should have offered up my slowmo crippled ship to Destructoid as a free kill? Gimmie a break. I'm not giving enemies free kills just because Muse can't patch or fix the game properly. Or just because of your concept of chivalry maybe? For one it did put us at a disadvantage. Specially cause I had no idea if the other team was rushing into the canyon after us. If you notice in the match, they do come in by the time I respawn. Had they rushed in sooner they would have gotten Brick alone or even me in the process of taring myself.

Had there been no slowmo I wouldn't have used it. That is a fact. I told Brick at the time to retreat and that I would use it because it was too much of a liability with 10% hp under those conditions. If you notice I got down that low again thx to slowmo but I didn't pull back and try it once more. Frankly I didn't think it would work a 2nd time if the enemy was wise to it.

You don't like it, fine...thats your problem. I don't regret using it. Any ship in the Cogs running tar can do it. At the very least I hope this raises awareness to it. Change the flow of some of those long drawn out battles. I've never professed to be a chivalrous pilot. I use a lot of tricks, I fight dirty whenever I can, and I'm known to cause teams to rage mid match or desert the lobby after. Don't like that, fine, stick to your stand up fighting...but I'm not. You better have good spotters...thats all I'm gonna say.

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No you should have fought to you dying breath. Are you really so self absorbed to think nobody else was in such posittion but you? Do you know how many times in cogs we were doing our best and fighting to the last despite galleon induce slo-mo bug?

Suicide is a cowards way out. And it take away the whole poin of PERMAhull.

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