Slot Locking

[Nikola Brackman]

To put my serious hat on for a bit:

I understand of course that "just play alliance" is probably not a good solution for anyone in this thread, because you all specifically want to blow each other out of the sky and you can't do that if you're all on the same team.

However, I think it is a good solution for new players.  When there are only 60 people online total, there's no way you'll get eight people together for a newbie lobby without someone having a surplus of vets.  But alliance can be played with just 4 people, and they can choose an opponent appropriate for their skill level.  It's the perfect training ground.  The difficulty levels even provide a limited metric for development: someone who can only handle Normal is probably not ready for PvP.

[Red-Xiii]

Naryan as u said the game is dead, so can u just go away now and not come back plz thx bai.

And people Call Narayan Toxic. You lot did nothing but destroy every ship with new players on it every sale just like a free lunch. I have been there when yours and other so called respected clans did this & laughed about it.

The majority of you are rude to new players and don't teach them anything, in fact you tend to ignore questions from new players when asked. How do I know this? I have flown with skbo clan members on several occasions, when able to get on a stacked ship.... How you can look in the mirror whilst slagging of Narayan in the same breath for putting forward ideas is a joke, and only serves to highlight how toxic you actually are.

When I think of the hundreds of hours I spent teaching only for the top clans to smash the new players makes my effort null and void. Even had a Rydr surrender and still keep fighting to kill a level  5 pilot I was teaching. Oh yes elitism is alive and well. The majority of you have helped kill this game with stack after stack after stack never offering a rematch; when the stack was not in your favor. Players and clans of this douchery should only ever be in events and should not be in gen pop. All giggling like prepubescent teens getting moist over a fresh batch of noobs to kill.

Signed
A CA that did what was needed of them.

     I understand how my joke was toxic, as the intention was a stab at Naryan (stabs in nature being toxic). I did not mean to cause you any personal offense from it.
     As for your statement towards SkBo, and other "so called respected" clans (I thank you for the new title) destroying ships during "every sale just like a free lunch," you are correct. But I think that this has no negative connotation as you phrased it to have. You have, just told me that us Respected Clans, play the game during sales, and end up killing people, and have fun~! And yes, its true! During some sales I will play the game and sometimes there will be an enemy ship with new players on it, and (oh the horror) I will LAUGH, I will have FUN. I will enjoy the game. (Shame on me?)
Now I am assuming that your intention behind this claim is that we were stacking, and that stacking is inherently bad, and we were having fun doing so, and this therefore causes us to go from respectable, to "so called respected". I understand where you are coming from with this. Stacking and crushing lower levels obviously deters them away from the game, and I believe that everyone really has stacked. You yourself have said so. But, I can say from experience that on this, and my novice level alternate accounts, I still see strong effort from vets to swap ships and balance lobbies in almost every match. For if they dont, someone usually calls them out on it, and they then do. They have reason and initiative to keep lobbies balanced. Even if I personally find stacking and winning, a fun and enjoyable activity, that not only makes me "giggle like" a "prepubescent teen," and "moist," but also makes my throbbing dick rock hard with pure ecstasy, I still put forth effort to balance lobbies. But of course you can only balance a lobby so much in a game where people want to fly with their friends, and as is the nature of the game; one team wins and is happy, and another team loses and is sad. I apologize that this happens. But you have to look past this fact, and realize that people try al the time to stop stacks, but sometimes, they do happen... and yes... not everyone is upset when it happens... (reference my throbbing cock statement)
As for your statement that you "once saw" a member of the so called respectable Storm Ryder's clan surrender and still keep fighting to kill a level 5 pilot I was teaching;" If he surrendered, then the captain was Lue and he had a novice on his crew he was upset with (Lue does as Lue does), and yes, I am just as surprised as you that he didn't suicide into a cliff until the novice stopped being AFK or trolling (I dont blame him). But you seem to be trying to say with this statement that, he was being an "Elitist" "Douche," by playing in a match that resulted in a loss for a novice, that you were teaching. I cannot tell if you are humoring us here, or if you actually think that everyone in the game should just be able to win all the time and no one should lose as it makes people sad.

     And as for your signature "A CA that did what was needed of them," I will tell you that I did not know that proper CA's add fire to toxic people like Sir Captain Slork Glork of the Most So Called Respected Clan The Skyborne That is Actually a Bunch of Silly Goof Gaffs Stackers, and in doing so unarguably break Code of Conduct rules #1 for Profanity/Obscenity, and rule #2 for Harassment. And you might be thinking, oh my, but captain Sir Slork Glork of the Most So Called Respected Clan The Skyborne, your whole post has been rude and defamatory and has included rude and coarse language, oh my, and people do this all the time on the forum, how come you are calling my out here for it!? But I never made a post with the intention of saying I was a proper noobie loving CA, who has done everything in his power to help the community, while fierce wolves of top tier clans struck them down, oh my!


TL;DR/ To sum things up:
                        I feel like you are trying to glorify yourself as a beautiful and righteous acting CA (ur signature in last post lol) who deserves more for his hard work to keep the game alive, and everyone else is a horrible person, as they are war mongrels hungry for stomping the enemy, and worst of all like having fun. And you believe that Vets have killed this game, and we need to reform them into good doing machines for the sake of the community, that will always let the newbies win. IMO its amazing that the game has lived so long, and developed such a dedicated community as is, when many other games of Guns' stature have already fallen to the grave.
                       And i don't necessarily think Naryan is toxic i just think his ideas are often kinda lackluster in reason[ing]. Though I find myself actually agreeing with his tone here (and the reasoning for having this idea [not the idea itself]) in the sentence  "...i would like to suggest to help balance out lobbies and game play for everyone in our low pop state." As I said previously this game is amazing and the fact that it has made it this far is a miracle in itself. but the game had fallen (not even an angelic community would have stopped this, every game dies out at some point), to a low pop state and creating ideas to deal with balance in the current state is much better than complaining about how we got to this state. Kudos to you Naryan.
                       

I will be happy to respond to any retort you have to this jumble of text written by a horrible so called respectable stacker. me.


Edit: Dmitrij K., has voiced that where you said "Players and clans of this !#$%@$ should only ever be in events and should not be in gen pop," he is in full agreement. Plz get us vets some cool events


For the record I was thinking of just PMing this retort as a private reply, with the intention of not stirring up fuss that has nothing to do with the thread it is in, but Mr. Briss, as a CA that does "what is needed of them," I figured he must have taken this into consideration with his original defaming post, and come to the conclusion that stirring up a fuss in public on the forums [and breaking the CoC] was the way to go, so I am merely following in his prestigious example. (I also didnt want to ruin any "so called respectable" Clan's rep by not making a statement on the matter)

I have over 3/4's on my time as engineer. So all I do is repair the ship and stop if from dying. The worst thing you can say about me is firing some mines in between fixing things. On occasion when doing just that engineering fixing the ship. I have been accused of staking; so stopped repairing the ship. I don't make stacks and never have, I am just the greasemonkey.

I only echo what new players in lobby's have said after a thorough drubbing off named clans. Can't handle the truth. That's your issue not mine. Stackers should really be ashamed. A Good vet stacked match V stack is fair. But the clans I mentioned Rydr's Skbo and others still never offered rematches. Hell as a Dagz we always used ask for a rematch type it in chat ' vote for rematch for team scramble' Then sneer as you were not fair enough to stay for a rematch when the teams were scrambled. That was and still is pathetic.

This is a great example of why the community has died.  Every thing you said,  the way you said it,  is condescending, trolling, disrespectful, and extremely pompous.  And the way you conduct yourself in lobby, in forums, and in games reflects that.  I never respected SKBO or Rydrs, only certain members of each.  Only in your social circle are you respected.  Just remember that.  You think you can talk to people like that and it doesn't seep into every other person around you and those you play with?  Your quest to have fun..........how noble of you. 

The problem, AS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PROBLEM  (insert bold highlighted comment here so I can accentuate my carry-it-over face to your juvenile messages  ) is THIS COMMUNITY WAS SMALL FROM THE GET GO.  And you go and smash people---novices and the like.  You created this circle, this small community so you can revel in it.  You choked the life out of the bloodstream of new folks by yelling at them on your ships, being assholes, stacking, and laughing at their expense.  You did not train or help.  You told someone priorities on your ship and you consider that a lesson in the game and expect them to do your bidding.  You commanded respect but did NOT EARN IT.  Self reflection would do you a world of good.  But wait,  you are too sarcastic and cynical to do that,  I'm sure that would be a waste of your time.

Anyone that truly helped the community were those that jumped on board a ship,  observed, and helped where needed.  To any and all those people that did that as much as humanly possible,  and turned the tide to an enjoyable experience, I'm grateful because I returned the favor.  Anyone that still wishes we could increase the player base, I'm sorry that time has passed.  This has now become a cynical circle jerk with only a certain few that think it really matters how well they play. 

[Long Max]

But look, if you can block slots on ship enemy team can do same. And always regroup for 2 ship with free slot for awaited stackers,or just for have two high level pilot.

[Laeytranger]

They don't belong in high level matches tho, it's bad for them to get stomped and its bad for us to have them on our crews when we don't want them. They don't know any better they just want to play the game. They don't understand the consequences of hitting the ready button with a bad loadout or no crew.

It hurst them as well because they can't learn the game naturally and ease into it they get smoked and think oh well this game sucks cause I'm bad at it. We need a way to separate players based on level and since their aren't enough lobbies or enough players I think locking them out of slots is the best way.

This way no one gets more new players than they can or want to train, and excess noobs can go to a noob lobby.

This is the problem.

The game's exclusivity is the same thing killing it.
There are not enough vets to make vet lobbies (or sustain them, and the hassle of setting them up prevents them even when they could exist)
There are not enough pure new players to make novice matches.
So you end up with a melting pot.

You can mentor a group for hours straight, and gain a few wins, but all the advice in the world can't match up with pure experience. novice crews with less than 10 games between them VS a captain of over 2000. 

We have few options available to address this:
- move an experienced player to a crew with novices and tutor them (which would have to be almost every game, and can be very draining on patience (who wants to tutor ALL THE TIME  against nigh-impossible odds?))
-advantaged side forced to handicap themselves and not go all out. The difference in skill requires DRASTIC handicaps, limiting choices SEVERELY, but even with the worst set ups possible, a lack of fundamentals and wealth of experience still decide the match 9/10 times.

At the end of the day, GOI is  game, which means it's meant to be fun. neither of those two options are fun, especially if you are doing them EVERY SINGLE TIME. But stacking is seen as some ultra-amoral situation where the ones involved must be colossal pricks.

In truth, IT IS THE ONLY OPTION other than those two or 'just not playing at all'

in addition, eve when trying to balance, we cant:
- ensure cooperation
- guarantee advice will have any effect.
-ensure things like communication (voice access/language barriers etc)
- ensure players even stay around the full match
- prevent players joining mid match with wrong gear/loadouts, making bad situations soooo much worse.


anecdotal situation:
I only engi/gunner, and I don't get to play too many matches a day. most times I get an hour or two at most. I play this game for fun, as it should be, because it's a game. Here are my choices

My choices:
a) join side with people I have got to know well (which logically, means they have been playing a while and are thus experienced players. We enjoy the company of each other in the (long) lobbies and can trust each other to do roles on a ship and have a stress free, relaxing time.

b) Join a disadvantaged side with people I have never met, may not even be able to communicate with, possibly have to tutor extensively with no guarantee of success (and even if it works, be out experienced most of the time).

Not really a surprise which option most people pick...

[Narayan]

I think that lock slots is the best alternative with the current challenges you described. It gives all persons a chance to be able to have fun and enjoy the game.


Oh and xii you can get off your high horse I've heard some horror stories about you from gamer girl, in addition to my first hand knowledge of you being a no skill prick. You and your clan had to have stomped noobs cause I couldn't imagine you beating anyone else.

[Narayan]

I don't want anyone to stop stacking all I'm asking for is slot lock so that I can have a reasonable chance of fighting a stacked ship. I know stacking is fun I get it, just give other vets a chance at winning when we can't stack every ship in the lobby.

[The Mann]

Did my reply makes sense to you Mann?

Sorry for the late response Narayan, I meant to say, I suppose that makes sense earlier; but I forgot, and then wrote the other message.

[Narayan]

How would this drive out new players ravioli

Guns has enough of a population deficit that it often becomes challenging to find /a/ game - /a single game/ - to join. Under your model, one lone player may find themselves barred from joining a 15 of 16 player lobby, and would have to wait for another whole mass of players to populate another pvp lobby in order to play at all. Often, this ranges from overly-optimistic to /impossible/. Giving players the ability to exclude others from matches that may in themselves be scrapped together tooth and nail with whomever is online is positively stupid and unfair.

You're looking at this feature proposal with prestige-tinted glasses. What happens when the level 1 pilot utilizes this feature and locks their entire ship, refusing guidance from anyone and ruining a match? As well, what the hell is gong to stop any unbalanced team from /not/ using this feature, their fucking conscience? You can't assume that this is a feature that will be utilized by only those who will fairly apply it; in game design you have to consider all circumstances, even the ones that don't rub your belly and ask you to stay.

Well in the case of a noob locking all his ship slots you just move to a new lobby.

As far as excluding players with limited lobbies available this tool could be used to help screen people joining the lobby. If someone in lobby is lower level but communicates well you would probably open up a slot for them.


As far as people locking slots to stomp others that's already happening with stacks so I don't think it would really be an issue.

Someone being bared from joining a lobby isn't a huge issue the lobbies already have maximum sizes this just lowers that threshold. I'd rather have someone not able to join the lobby that for a brand new player to ruin a match for the other 15 people, when that new player could just find a lower level lobby.

[Rareform K. Rozhkov]

But the clans I mentioned Rydr's Skbo and others still never offered rematches. Hell as a Dagz we always used ask for a rematch type it in chat ' vote for rematch for team scramble' Then sneer as you were not fair enough to stay for a rematch when the teams were scrambled. That was and still is pathetic.

OK, either you are just a Forum Dweller (one who chats on the forum but hasn't played the game in a year)  or you are lying. I have never seen a rematch vote fail, except when people forget, which seems to rarely happen. Am I misunderstanding what you said...?

[MightyKeb]

But the clans I mentioned Rydr's Skbo and others still never offered rematches. Hell as a Dagz we always used ask for a rematch type it in chat ' vote for rematch for team scramble' Then sneer as you were not fair enough to stay for a rematch when the teams were scrambled. That was and still is pathetic.

OK, either you are just a Forum Dweller (one who chats on the forum but hasn't played the game in a year)  or you are lying. I have never seen a rematch vote fail, except when people forget, which seems to rarely happen. Am I misunderstanding what you said...?

I interpeted it as stacks leaving a lobby after the odds were even, as per the line, "Then sneer as you were not fair enough to stay for a rematch when the teams were scrambled."

[Rareform K. Rozhkov]

Naryan as u said the game is dead, so can u just go away now and not come back plz thx bai.

And people Call Narayan Toxic. You lot did nothing but destroy every ship with new players on it every sale just like a free lunch. I have been there when yours and other so called respected clans did this & laughed about it.

The majority of you are rude to new players and don't teach them anything, in fact you tend to ignore questions from new players when asked. How do I know this? I have flown with skbo clan members on several occasions, when able to get on a stacked ship.... How you can look in the mirror whilst slagging of Narayan in the same breath for putting forward ideas is a joke, and only serves to highlight how toxic you actually are.

When I think of the hundreds of hours I spent teaching only for the top clans to smash the new players makes my effort null and void. Even had a Rydr surrender and still keep fighting to kill a level  5 pilot I was teaching. Oh yes elitism is alive and well. The majority of you have helped kill this game with stack after stack after stack never offering a rematch; when the stack was not in your favor. Players and clans of this douchery should only ever be in events and should not be in gen pop. All giggling like prepubescent teens getting moist over a fresh batch of noobs to kill.

Signed
A CA that did what was needed of them.

     I understand how my joke was toxic, as the intention was a stab at Naryan (stabs in nature being toxic). I did not mean to cause you any personal offense from it.
     As for your statement towards SkBo, and other "so called respected" clans (I thank you for the new title) destroying ships during "every sale just like a free lunch," you are correct. But I think that this has no negative connotation as you phrased it to have. You have, just told me that us Respected Clans, play the game during sales, and end up killing people, and have fun~! And yes, its true! During some sales I will play the game and sometimes there will be an enemy ship with new players on it, and (oh the horror) I will LAUGH, I will have FUN. I will enjoy the game. (Shame on me?)
Now I am assuming that your intention behind this claim is that we were stacking, and that stacking is inherently bad, and we were having fun doing so, and this therefore causes us to go from respectable, to "so called respected". I understand where you are coming from with this. Stacking and crushing lower levels obviously deters them away from the game, and I believe that everyone really has stacked. You yourself have said so. But, I can say from experience that on this, and my novice level alternate accounts, I still see strong effort from vets to swap ships and balance lobbies in almost every match. For if they dont, someone usually calls them out on it, and they then do. They have reason and initiative to keep lobbies balanced. Even if I personally find stacking and winning, a fun and enjoyable activity, that not only makes me "giggle like" a "prepubescent teen," and "moist," but also makes my throbbing dick rock hard with pure ecstasy, I still put forth effort to balance lobbies. But of course you can only balance a lobby so much in a game where people want to fly with their friends, and as is the nature of the game; one team wins and is happy, and another team loses and is sad. I apologize that this happens. But you have to look past this fact, and realize that people try al the time to stop stacks, but sometimes, they do happen... and yes... not everyone is upset when it happens... (reference my throbbing cock statement)
As for your statement that you "once saw" a member of the so called respectable Storm Ryder's clan surrender and still keep fighting to kill a level 5 pilot I was teaching;" If he surrendered, then the captain was Lue and he had a novice on his crew he was upset with (Lue does as Lue does), and yes, I am just as surprised as you that he didn't suicide into a cliff until the novice stopped being AFK or trolling (I dont blame him). But you seem to be trying to say with this statement that, he was being an "Elitist" "Douche," by playing in a match that resulted in a loss for a novice, that you were teaching. I cannot tell if you are humoring us here, or if you actually think that everyone in the game should just be able to win all the time and no one should lose as it makes people sad.

     And as for your signature "A CA that did what was needed of them," I will tell you that I did not know that proper CA's add fire to toxic people like Sir Captain Slork Glork of the Most So Called Respected Clan The Skyborne That is Actually a Bunch of Silly Goof Gaffs Stackers, and in doing so unarguably break Code of Conduct rules #1 for Profanity/Obscenity, and rule #2 for Harassment. And you might be thinking, oh my, but captain Sir Slork Glork of the Most So Called Respected Clan The Skyborne, your whole post has been rude and defamatory and has included rude and coarse language, oh my, and people do this all the time on the forum, how come you are calling my out here for it!? But I never made a post with the intention of saying I was a proper noobie loving CA, who has done everything in his power to help the community, while fierce wolves of top tier clans struck them down, oh my!


TL;DR/ To sum things up:
                        I feel like you are trying to glorify yourself as a beautiful and righteous acting CA (ur signature in last post lol) who deserves more for his hard work to keep the game alive, and everyone else is a horrible person, as they are war mongrels hungry for stomping the enemy, and worst of all like having fun. And you believe that Vets have killed this game, and we need to reform them into good doing machines for the sake of the community, that will always let the newbies win. IMO its amazing that the game has lived so long, and developed such a dedicated community as is, when many other games of Guns' stature have already fallen to the grave.
                       And i don't necessarily think Naryan is toxic i just think his ideas are often kinda lackluster in reason[ing]. Though I find myself actually agreeing with his tone here (and the reasoning for having this idea [not the idea itself]) in the sentence  "...i would like to suggest to help balance out lobbies and game play for everyone in our low pop state." As I said previously this game is amazing and the fact that it has made it this far is a miracle in itself. but the game had fallen (not even an angelic community would have stopped this, every game dies out at some point), to a low pop state and creating ideas to deal with balance in the current state is much better than complaining about how we got to this state. Kudos to you Naryan.
                       

I will be happy to respond to any retort you have to this jumble of text written by a horrible so called respectable stacker. me.


Edit: Dmitrij K., has voiced that where you said "Players and clans of this !#$%@$ should only ever be in events and should not be in gen pop," he is in full agreement. Plz get us vets some cool events


For the record I was thinking of just PMing this retort as a private reply, with the intention of not stirring up fuss that has nothing to do with the thread it is in, but Mr. Briss, as a CA that does "what is needed of them," I figured he must have taken this into consideration with his original defaming post, and come to the conclusion that stirring up a fuss in public on the forums [and breaking the CoC] was the way to go, so I am merely following in his prestigious example. (I also didnt want to ruin any "so called respectable" Clan's rep by not making a statement on the matter)

I have over 3/4's on my time as engineer. So all I do is repair the ship and stop if from dying. The worst thing you can say about me is firing some mines in between fixing things. On occasion when doing just that engineering fixing the ship. I have been accused of staking; so stopped repairing the ship. I don't make stacks and never have, I am just the greasemonkey.

I only echo what new players in lobby's have said after a thorough drubbing off named clans. Can't handle the truth. That's your issue not mine. Stackers should really be ashamed. A Good vet stacked match V stack is fair. But the clans I mentioned Rydr's Skbo and others still never offered rematches. Hell as a Dagz we always used ask for a rematch type it in chat ' vote for rematch for team scramble' Then sneer as you were not fair enough to stay for a rematch when the teams were scrambled. That was and still is pathetic.

This is a great example of why the community has died.  Every thing you said,  the way you said it,  is condescending, trolling, disrespectful, and extremely pompous.  And the way you conduct yourself in lobby, in forums, and in games reflects that.  I never respected SKBO or Rydrs, only certain members of each.  Only in your social circle are you respected.  Just remember that.  You think you can talk to people like that and it doesn't seep into every other person around you and those you play with?  Your quest to have fun..........how noble of you. 

The problem, AS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PROBLEM  (insert bold highlighted comment here so I can accentuate my carry-it-over face to your juvenile messages  ) is THIS COMMUNITY WAS SMALL FROM THE GET GO.  And you go and smash people---novices and the like.  You created this circle, this small community so you can revel in it.  You choked the life out of the bloodstream of new folks by yelling at them on your ships, being assholes, stacking, and laughing at their expense.  You did not train or help.  You told someone priorities on your ship and you consider that a lesson in the game and expect them to do your bidding.  You commanded respect but did NOT EARN IT.  Self reflection would do you a world of good.  But wait,  you are too sarcastic and cynical to do that,  I'm sure that would be a waste of your time.

Anyone that truly helped the community were those that jumped on board a ship,  observed, and helped where needed.  To any and all those people that did that as much as humanly possible,  and turned the tide to an enjoyable experience, I'm grateful because I returned the favor.  Anyone that still wishes we could increase the player base, I'm sorry that time has passed.  This has now become a cynical circle jerk with only a certain few that think it really matters how well they play. 

Dear Red-xii, you seem to have missed my writing style that I like to call: "Satire". The "condescending, trolling, disrespectful, and extremely pompous," was directly intentional, as a response to Sir "CA who did what was needed of him."



<START JOKE/MOCKERY-FREE ZONE [limited time offer]> (feel free to have legitimate arguments to this point, I would actually like to talk about this, plz dont skim actually read it if you want to respond to this part)
Jokes aside, I will try to more clearly state the main reason why I ever chip into any conversation, or how any convo actually grabs my attention:
     I often see on the forums, threads relating to, or about; bringing the community back to life, or Why this game is dead (mean people and bad devs *angryfaceangryfaceangryface*). This finger pointing needs to stop if you want a serious conversation. As I stated previously in this convo;

I find myself actually agreeing with his [Naryan's] tone here (and the reasoning for having this idea [not the idea itself]) in the sentence  "...i would like to suggest to help balance out lobbies and game play for everyone in our low pop state." ...the game has fallen to a low pop state and creating ideas to deal with balance in the current state is much better than complaining about how we got to this state. Kudos to you Naryan.

I find it crazy that I must actually point this out, but video game populations die off. Guess what? Old Call of Duty games... have a low populaiton. Someday... Overwatch... will have a low population. Things die. Jumping to the conclusion that OMG THIS GAME DIED BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY, or HOLY SMOKES THESE DEVS CANT KEEP A COMMUNITY ALIVE. Are, in my opinion, absolutely ridiculous. Calm down and open your eyes. This game came out in [Late?] 2013. It is now the year 2017. It has been 4 years since its initial release. This is an indie game. They [Muse] have a 1 person [fact check?], probably under-qualified Public Relations "team". The fact that this game has lasted so long, and has created such a communally involved player-base, or people who care about the game, is a crazy achievement for this game, and Muse, that is has lasted for SO LONG. Stop complaning about the past. Come up with a solution for the Present. Once again I dont agree with Naryan but the son of a bitch seems to have the right tone.
<END JOKE/MOCKERY-FREE ZONE>



I understand, stackers are bad, people are dicks, Red-xii gets drunk and yells at people until you hear his wife tell him to calm down in the background, people call him a dick for it, and then he forgets about it in the morning, and pretends his clan mates still love him the same [Just check one of their public twitch channels lol, quality content], then goes on to make fun of someone for satire-ing what Hillary with one L, without realizing the post was satire, and so in the end he really just made fun of Hilary with one L, and in doing so ended up doing the same things himself; saying he is rightous and has "returned the favor" of being kind, and attempted to pointed all fingers away from him {"The worst thing you can say about me is firing some mines in between fixing things...I am just the greasemonkey"}, begins harassing yours truly [which he just tried to say i did (and if you coudnt tell i am not denying that fact, just pointing out Hypocrisy)]. Naryan, the sometimes debatable human being (intended in the the nicest rude way) has even said  "Oh and xii you can get off your high horse I've heard some horror stories about you from gamer girl, in addition to my first hand knowledge of you being a no skill prick. You and your clan had to have stomped noobs cause I couldn't imagine you beating anyone else.", which I could not agree with more.


P.S. keep the quote stack going guys!

[Red-Xiii]

Gaymer gurl is not a quality source of information.  Sorry to say.  But you continue to prove my point.  Self appointed masters of the universe in this community.  Enjoy the reach arounds.  I have had a consistent flow over the  2 years of thanks from people and players speaking out on these toxic forums.  Nothing you can say can minimize it.  You are just some salty vets that dont like gettin put in their place.  Enjoy your toxic community of your own making.

Though Ive always blamed Muse as well as the community.  So you toxic vets arent the only ones at fault.  But thats besides the point.

[Rareform K. Rozhkov]

Your character in your posts is showing your true self.  Keep it going chief.  I consider the source.  Gaymer girl LOL. Continually you self appointed masters of the universe in this community entertain me to no end.  And quite frankly I love pushing your buttons.  Pulling out every little thing you can to troll me.  Please continue.  At the end of the day I am happy with what I did,  what I contributed to before you a-holes got your panties in a wad. 

Circle jerk continues.

Name one point where I self appoint myself master of the universe. Clock starts now. go.

[Narayan]

Naryan as u said the game is dead, so can u just go away now and not come back plz thx bai.

And people Call Narayan Toxic. You lot did nothing but destroy every ship with new players on it every sale just like a free lunch. I have been there when yours and other so called respected clans did this & laughed about it.

The majority of you are rude to new players and don't teach them anything, in fact you tend to ignore questions from new players when asked. How do I know this? I have flown with skbo clan members on several occasions, when able to get on a stacked ship.... How you can look in the mirror whilst slagging of Narayan in the same breath for putting forward ideas is a joke, and only serves to highlight how toxic you actually are.

When I think of the hundreds of hours I spent teaching only for the top clans to smash the new players makes my effort null and void. Even had a Rydr surrender and still keep fighting to kill a level  5 pilot I was teaching. Oh yes elitism is alive and well. The majority of you have helped kill this game with stack after stack after stack never offering a rematch; when the stack was not in your favor. Players and clans of this douchery should only ever be in events and should not be in gen pop. All giggling like prepubescent teens getting moist over a fresh batch of noobs to kill.

Signed
A CA that did what was needed of them.

     I understand how my joke was toxic, as the intention was a stab at Naryan (stabs in nature being toxic). I did not mean to cause you any personal offense from it.
     As for your statement towards SkBo, and other "so called respected" clans (I thank you for the new title) destroying ships during "every sale just like a free lunch," you are correct. But I think that this has no negative connotation as you phrased it to have. You have, just told me that us Respected Clans, play the game during sales, and end up killing people, and have fun~! And yes, its true! During some sales I will play the game and sometimes there will be an enemy ship with new players on it, and (oh the horror) I will LAUGH, I will have FUN. I will enjoy the game. (Shame on me?)
Now I am assuming that your intention behind this claim is that we were stacking, and that stacking is inherently bad, and we were having fun doing so, and this therefore causes us to go from respectable, to "so called respected". I understand where you are coming from with this. Stacking and crushing lower levels obviously deters them away from the game, and I believe that everyone really has stacked. You yourself have said so. But, I can say from experience that on this, and my novice level alternate accounts, I still see strong effort from vets to swap ships and balance lobbies in almost every match. For if they dont, someone usually calls them out on it, and they then do. They have reason and initiative to keep lobbies balanced. Even if I personally find stacking and winning, a fun and enjoyable activity, that not only makes me "giggle like" a "prepubescent teen," and "moist," but also makes my throbbing dick rock hard with pure ecstasy, I still put forth effort to balance lobbies. But of course you can only balance a lobby so much in a game where people want to fly with their friends, and as is the nature of the game; one team wins and is happy, and another team loses and is sad. I apologize that this happens. But you have to look past this fact, and realize that people try al the time to stop stacks, but sometimes, they do happen... and yes... not everyone is upset when it happens... (reference my throbbing cock statement)
As for your statement that you "once saw" a member of the so called respectable Storm Ryder's clan surrender and still keep fighting to kill a level 5 pilot I was teaching;" If he surrendered, then the captain was Lue and he had a novice on his crew he was upset with (Lue does as Lue does), and yes, I am just as surprised as you that he didn't suicide into a cliff until the novice stopped being AFK or trolling (I dont blame him). But you seem to be trying to say with this statement that, he was being an "Elitist" "Douche," by playing in a match that resulted in a loss for a novice, that you were teaching. I cannot tell if you are humoring us here, or if you actually think that everyone in the game should just be able to win all the time and no one should lose as it makes people sad.

     And as for your signature "A CA that did what was needed of them," I will tell you that I did not know that proper CA's add fire to toxic people like Sir Captain Slork Glork of the Most So Called Respected Clan The Skyborne That is Actually a Bunch of Silly Goof Gaffs Stackers, and in doing so unarguably break Code of Conduct rules #1 for Profanity/Obscenity, and rule #2 for Harassment. And you might be thinking, oh my, but captain Sir Slork Glork of the Most So Called Respected Clan The Skyborne, your whole post has been rude and defamatory and has included rude and coarse language, oh my, and people do this all the time on the forum, how come you are calling my out here for it!? But I never made a post with the intention of saying I was a proper noobie loving CA, who has done everything in his power to help the community, while fierce wolves of top tier clans struck them down, oh my!


TL;DR/ To sum things up:
                        I feel like you are trying to glorify yourself as a beautiful and righteous acting CA (ur signature in last post lol) who deserves more for his hard work to keep the game alive, and everyone else is a horrible person, as they are war mongrels hungry for stomping the enemy, and worst of all like having fun. And you believe that Vets have killed this game, and we need to reform them into good doing machines for the sake of the community, that will always let the newbies win. IMO its amazing that the game has lived so long, and developed such a dedicated community as is, when many other games of Guns' stature have already fallen to the grave.
                       And i don't necessarily think Naryan is toxic i just think his ideas are often kinda lackluster in reason[ing]. Though I find myself actually agreeing with his tone here (and the reasoning for having this idea [not the idea itself]) in the sentence  "...i would like to suggest to help balance out lobbies and game play for everyone in our low pop state." As I said previously this game is amazing and the fact that it has made it this far is a miracle in itself. but the game had fallen (not even an angelic community would have stopped this, every game dies out at some point), to a low pop state and creating ideas to deal with balance in the current state is much better than complaining about how we got to this state. Kudos to you Naryan.
                       

I will be happy to respond to any retort you have to this jumble of text written by a horrible so called respectable stacker. me.


Edit: Dmitrij K., has voiced that where you said "Players and clans of this !#$%@$ should only ever be in events and should not be in gen pop," he is in full agreement. Plz get us vets some cool events


For the record I was thinking of just PMing this retort as a private reply, with the intention of not stirring up fuss that has nothing to do with the thread it is in, but Mr. Briss, as a CA that does "what is needed of them," I figured he must have taken this into consideration with his original defaming post, and come to the conclusion that stirring up a fuss in public on the forums [and breaking the CoC] was the way to go, so I am merely following in his prestigious example. (I also didnt want to ruin any "so called respectable" Clan's rep by not making a statement on the matter)

I have over 3/4's on my time as engineer. So all I do is repair the ship and stop if from dying. The worst thing you can say about me is firing some mines in between fixing things. On occasion when doing just that engineering fixing the ship. I have been accused of staking; so stopped repairing the ship. I don't make stacks and never have, I am just the greasemonkey.

I only echo what new players in lobby's have said after a thorough drubbing off named clans. Can't handle the truth. That's your issue not mine. Stackers should really be ashamed. A Good vet stacked match V stack is fair. But the clans I mentioned Rydr's Skbo and others still never offered rematches. Hell as a Dagz we always used ask for a rematch type it in chat ' vote for rematch for team scramble' Then sneer as you were not fair enough to stay for a rematch when the teams were scrambled. That was and still is pathetic.

This is a great example of why the community has died.  Every thing you said,  the way you said it,  is condescending, trolling, disrespectful, and extremely pompous.  And the way you conduct yourself in lobby, in forums, and in games reflects that.  I never respected SKBO or Rydrs, only certain members of each.  Only in your social circle are you respected.  Just remember that.  You think you can talk to people like that and it doesn't seep into every other person around you and those you play with?  Your quest to have fun..........how noble of you. 

The problem, AS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PROBLEM  (insert bold highlighted comment here so I can accentuate my carry-it-over face to your juvenile messages  ) is THIS COMMUNITY WAS SMALL FROM THE GET GO.  And you go and smash people---novices and the like.  You created this circle, this small community so you can revel in it.  You choked the life out of the bloodstream of new folks by yelling at them on your ships, being assholes, stacking, and laughing at their expense.  You did not train or help.  You told someone priorities on your ship and you consider that a lesson in the game and expect them to do your bidding.  You commanded respect but did NOT EARN IT.  Self reflection would do you a world of good.  But wait,  you are too sarcastic and cynical to do that,  I'm sure that would be a waste of your time.

Anyone that truly helped the community were those that jumped on board a ship,  observed, and helped where needed.  To any and all those people that did that as much as humanly possible,  and turned the tide to an enjoyable experience, I'm grateful because I returned the favor.  Anyone that still wishes we could increase the player base, I'm sorry that time has passed.  This has now become a cynical circle jerk with only a certain few that think it really matters how well they play. 

Dear Red-xii, you seem to have missed my writing style that I like to call: "Satire". The "condescending, trolling, disrespectful, and extremely pompous," was directly intentional, as a response to Sir "CA who did what was needed of him."



<START JOKE/MOCKERY-FREE ZONE [limited time offer]> (feel free to have legitimate arguments to this point, I would actually like to talk about this, plz dont skim actually read it if you want to respond to this part)
Jokes aside, I will try to more clearly state the main reason why I ever chip into any conversation, or how any convo actually grabs my attention:
     I often see on the forums, threads relating to, or about; bringing the community back to life, or Why this game is dead (mean people and bad devs *angryfaceangryfaceangryface*). This finger pointing needs to stop if you want a serious conversation. As I stated previously in this convo;

I find myself actually agreeing with his [Naryan's] tone here (and the reasoning for having this idea [not the idea itself]) in the sentence  "...i would like to suggest to help balance out lobbies and game play for everyone in our low pop state." ...the game has fallen to a low pop state and creating ideas to deal with balance in the current state is much better than complaining about how we got to this state. Kudos to you Naryan.

I find it crazy that I must actually point this out, but video game populations die off. Guess what? Old Call of Duty games... have a low populaiton. Someday... Overwatch... will have a low population. Things die. Jumping to the conclusion that OMG THIS GAME DIED BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY, or HOLY SMOKES THESE DEVS CANT KEEP A COMMUNITY ALIVE. Are, in my opinion, absolutely ridiculous. Calm down and open your eyes. This game came out in [Late?] 2013. It is now the year 2017. It has been 4 years since its initial release. This is an indie game. They [Muse] have a 1 person [fact check?], probably under-qualified Public Relations "team". The fact that this game has lasted so long, and has created such a communally involved player-base, or people who care about the game, is a crazy achievement for this game, and Muse, that is has lasted for SO LONG. Stop complaning about the past. Come up with a solution for the Present. Once again I dont agree with Naryan but the son of a bitch seems to have the right tone.
<END JOKE/MOCKERY-FREE ZONE>



I understand, stackers are bad, people are dicks, Red-xii gets drunk and yells at people until you hear his wife tell him to calm down in the background, people call him a dick for it, and then he forgets about it in the morning, and pretends his clan mates still love him the same [Just check one of their public twitch channels lol, quality content], then goes on to make fun of someone for satire-ing what Hillary with one L, without realizing the post was satire, and so in the end he really just made fun of Hilary with one L, and in doing so ended up doing the same things himself; saying he is rightous and has "returned the favor" of being kind, and attempted to pointed all fingers away from him {"The worst thing you can say about me is firing some mines in between fixing things...I am just the greasemonkey"}, begins harassing yours truly [which he just tried to say i did (and if you coudnt tell i am not denying that fact, just pointing out Hypocrisy)]. Naryan, the sometimes debatable human being (intended in the the nicest rude way) has even said  "Oh and xii you can get off your high horse I've heard some horror stories about you from gamer girl, in addition to my first hand knowledge of you being a no skill prick. You and your clan had to have stomped noobs cause I couldn't imagine you beating anyone else.", which I could not agree with more.


P.S. keep the quote stack going guys!

See muse see what happens when the community gets to small. I told you about this in my open letter and free to play posts.


Look muse I like you I really do but let's be strait with each other for a second.


In hindsight (foresight for me) alliance didn't do that great. Not your fault it's a competitive maket with pulsar and minecraft and garys mod or whatever kids are playing now.


Here is the point with the base game you literally created a genre, multicrew vehicle pvp which doesn't really exist anywhere else as far as I know. Is the game hard? Sure can be. Is that bad? Not one bit.

We love it, a lot of people love it, more people that are actually playing right now love your game, and they want to play it (online not alliance, you need to let alliance go). You had more success with online than anything else because the game is a winner and it still is.

Here's the thing we players playing it are telling you stuff and you're not hearing it. I can give suggestions all day but here it is.


The pop is low, too low


No one wants noobs on their ship that they have never played with before in a tough match. I mean look at this thread, you think when these people meet in a lobby they don't go to war? Oh they do and the last thing that want in this fight that decides shit talk and bragging rights is to have some guy who doesn't know where the engine is to repair it.


Noobs like your game too, but they can't be good at it if they get smokers by unbalanced lobbies, and they won't wanna play a game they suck at, so you gotta figure out some way to give them some breathing room till like lvl 18. It's not just clan stacks here sometimes vets go into noob lobbies just to be the cool guy awesome at the game or for an easy match.


Take my ideas or don't but don't throw away your good game that has no other equal.

[Solidusbucket]

Maybe an easier alternative is lowering the threshhold for vet lobby?