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Narayan:
Welcome to the forums Nezumi, we always appreciate more opinions here on the forums,  especially from newer players. However swing as you have admittedly never played the multiplayer part of the game, and that being what this thread is specifically concerning we do enjoy the opinions more of you have some actuall experience with the topic at hand.


Mann while I can appreciate your wwmkb system remember you actually have the power to kick and you have that fancy purple text. When I or anyone else warns a troll in lobby we get ignored because the only threat is we're gonna report you, or maybe leave to another lobby which they can just join.

That's an important point because as the game is shrinking back down we are gonna get to the point where there are only 2 or 3 lobbies and if you leave to reform you will kill that lobby and they troll will search for a new one, and chances are he will probably find you again.

We all play this game for fun, please give us the tools to have fun. No vote kick was an experiment by the devs of this game, it was designed to make the game more inclusive to new players. Seeing as how we have retained what? 2 percent of that of all players who have played I would say that experiment was a failure. The only abuse going on is teamstacking which the devs have still not and never will tackle, and trolls.

Please make lobbies balanced again, please give up on your failed experiment it did not work, add kick.   

The sad truth is toxisity is the only defense vets have against trolls and players who won't listen, and 90% of vets will admit to you they have used toxisity frequently to deal with trolls, the other 10% won't admit it, or they just quit playing for the day frustrated, which is bad for them and the community. The lack of kick has in large part created this toxisity and the toxisity has in some cases been misapplied and created trolls. This is the effect no vote kick has had. It's also made vets who work with noobs quit playing and give up, and made assholes out of a lot of regular players.

Vacant:
The lack of vote kick is a mistake, the exclusivity argument is a myth.

 -> If anybody has ever wanted to enjoy any game and couldn't because nobody would play with them, I'd love to have a chat, please. Change my mind. <-

People that don't want to play with pugs solve that problem by not playing with pugs, the low player base combined with poorly performing AI greatly disincentivizes random kicks, an unskilled player who listens being better than any available alternatives. On the other hand it takes one player to ruin a match and a lobby. The lack of any recourse over trolls is a significant reason I don't play. I would rather play with pugs, I would rather teach people to play.

Seriously MUSE, listen, I'm a gamer, 40,000 hours+ a low estimate. I'm a clever rookie at dozens of games most people haven't heard of. I love your game, I'm at, I dunno 1100 hours or something, it's brilliantly put together. And I want to play with pugs, crewing up with a bunch of vets and stomping people isnt fun. You have consciously chosen to put control over the course of a lobby/match into the hands of any irate troll who comes along as opposed to the people who are playing and care about your game. I dealt with it for 1100 hours, yelled, cursed, fought (also taught dozens of people how to play), reported, ignored.

I'd say roughly 50% of the matches theres a troll on my team (not fun) or a troll on the other team (also not fun). My last few attempts at GoI look like "Hey dude welcome, please accept the loadout" "Please accept the loadout" "We cant play if you don't take the loadout" "No 2 gunners won't work, those arent the even right ammo types for this gun, please just take it" "Alright, good luck, peace" Make a tutorial guys, as cheap as it is to force us to do the teaching for free.

Your suggested solution is to relocate, I gotta be honest, it's hard not to.

Narayan:
Yea I couldn't agree with this more, even I evil Narayan will keep a low level player that ha a mic and or communicates via type responding to my voice chat. If they do good during that round they usually end up on my friends list or with a clan invite.


I can always find a role for one low level player on my ship, two is a lush but still possible depending on lobby composition.

Vote kick is needed for low level players who will not communicate under any circumstance, trolls, and players who are commuting serious conduct violations. All of those things occur even with mid level players in some cases, and waiting for a report to take effect, reforming the lobby, and getting victimized in the mean time is not working. It's only makes a rift where vets don't trust new players cause they have no recourse against trolls, to the detriment of new players. 

Nezumi-chan:

--- Quote from: Vacant on January 25, 2017, 01:07:15 am ---The lack of vote kick is a mistake, the exclusivity argument is a myth.

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It's really, really not. The experience I remember with vote kicking in an online multiplayer game: Someone in Left 4 Dead was being rude and dismissive and just talking about how much all the other players suck -- despite not actually being very good -- and no-one seemed to enjoy having him around. I voted to kick after a while. Was voted down. He team-kills me in retaliation, leading to us losing moments away from clearing the map, and then manages to blame me for the loss and get me vote-kicked.

I haven't actually seen or heard of vote-kicking being used as anything but a tool for trolling and elitism, causing more problems than it solves. I'm not sure it can be, given the atmosphere of largely-uncurated online gaming and the danger of putting such power in the hands of a majority with no checks. ALmost any such player-driven control tool has inevitably been abused to hurt people who have playstyles that are less preferred, who are new and learning, or who try to use it to actually combat trolls and raise the level of the community.

This community appears to already be racing to the bottom to compete with Counterstrike and League of Legends in toxic hostility, but a vote kick would only hasten that.


--- Quote from: Narayan on January 24, 2017, 09:39:29 am ---Welcome to the forums Nezumi, we always appreciate more opinions here on the forums,  especially from newer players. However swing as you have admittedly never played the multiplayer part of the game, and that being what this thread is specifically concerning we do enjoy the opinions more of you have some actuall experience with the topic at hand.
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Except I didn't draw on anything about the game in particular, but broader patterns in online gaming and my own personal experiences. I've had more fun with friendly, helpful groups that failed, even if it could sometimes be irritating, than unhelpful but technically proficient groups. I fondly remember a PUG I tried to fight Titan with in Final Fantasy XIV that never managed to succeed, but largely worked together, supported each other, and discussed tactics... but I don't fondly remember groups in MMOs that played well, but rushed ahead without me without warning if I tried to do sidequests, watch cutscenes, or actually read what quest NPCs say.

And every instance of such hostility I've seen toward "trolls" or "clueless newbies" actually extends to any new player or one who plays differently, and my experiences with the Steam Discussion community for this game don't suggest this is the sole exception.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe something about this game so dramatically changes these broad patterns that I'm completely off-base... but I kinda doubt it.

Still, I might give the game a shot and see.

P.S: Insistence on using voice chat is an issue, as it ignores people with disabilities and trans people who may not yet have a voice they're comfortable with. It's usually best to leave at least the sound of it on if you don't have serious anxiety issues, but not everyone will talk on it for a variety of reasons.

Schwalbe:
No. The toxicity and hostility is due to all people being tired by being mopped around by trolls or morons. I know, I joined back in the times where there were no matchmaker, community was small and really friendly.

And we still are friendly, assuming you are listening what is being told to you.


A trait you don't seem to possess. But this is a side note.


I'm sorry to hear about your experience from Left 4 Dead. But.

This isn't Left 4 Dead. Nor CS. Nor LOL. This is GOIO. A game with very high learning curve, putting extremely high emphasis on teamwork, planning, knowing your shit and cooperation. This is a game, where someone using wrong ammo may cost you victory. This is a game, where one misstep, one wrong calculated hit of a mallet can cause the death of a ship, thus perhaps death of your lonesome 2v1 ally, thus perhaps in longer (or not) run - a victory. Just because someone made a mistake.


And we are talking about the case of making A MISTAKE not being deliberate asshole, or arrogant smug.


Trust me, I had my fair share of real asshole newbies aboard my ships. I spent 890 hours in this game.
Hell I have even make videos. If you want, you can find them on YouTube and in my thread here, in the forums.


I respect your right to have your own opinion and I do understand where you are coming from, but please. Spend 100 hours in pub matches so you can say that you are starting to having clue of what are people talking about in case of this game.

G'day sir.

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