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On the subject of vote kick...

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BravoTango:
I can understand Muse's stance on this. Coming back to the game after a long break I can see the salt levels have risen to epic proportions and I'm pretty sure a vote kick system would get abused by vets and trolls. This used to be a fun game but the matches I've played since coming back have pretty much been cancer.

Narayan:
The actual problem is this, with player pop declining again it becomes difficult to fill and keep a lobby going. The other major problem is that the report feature does literally nothing, and as such there is literally no mechanism in the game to deal with abusive players. This last weekend I encountered 2 situations which stick out in my mind where vote kick could have been used.

The first was a 4-1-1 who would not respond to voice or chat, wouldn't take loudouts and acted as if he was afk except he would hit decline. Later it turned out he has voice which he only used for cursing out people.

The second was a mid level player I think around 21 engine who declined my loadout. I stated if you don't want the loadout you should leave the ship, he replies that because I asked that he was now not going to leave.

The moral of the story is that bith of these players caused their team to lose, I wouldn't play with them however and changed teams leaving some sucker to get stomped. Most vets will not play with players like this. The result is the rest of the team gets punished with a stomp usually 5-0 because they lose all of their good players.

Now the people remaining on that team will not learn anything about the game getting stomped that hard, more than likely they too will also be the victim of the the troll turning them off to the game.

Many vets will not play the match, this also kills the lobby and the game you may have spent 5 or so mins waiting to play. It's been suggested that you should just reform the lobby. However breaking the game streak will cause many players to leave and go take a break or call it a night. Also forming a new lobby without a password means the troll can just follow. That makes the idea of reforming a lobby very impractical.

Without some sort of admin, or any real punishment for low level players we just don't have any control over the lobby. Even if the CA cadre had admin power there are never really enough online to make a difference.

The real victims of all of this are the innocent new players, they are the ones who end up playing with the trolls, cause the vets leave, and they are the ones who get mercilessly stomped from not having good players on their side. They get denied training, and quickly learn that guns is just the Wild West where any thing goes because the only people who will ever be punished are lvl 45s.

In closing I would say that vets would not abuse a kick system to the detriment of noobs, and it is in fact the new players that are paying the highest price right now for lack of a vote kick.

Squidslinger Gilder:
Had more than one friend who really liked GOIO till they saw there was no kick function. Then they'd stop playing. It only takes one bad player to ruin a game and make them never want to come back.

This isn't just GOIO but many other games. Heck I'm with a growing majority that won't play ARK again because the devs failed to implement anti cheat fast enough and we just got tired of hacks. With time the servers there have just emptied to bare minimum. It's just like GOIO. Boom to bust, now only small pop remains.

I guess things are still pretty bad in GOIO. I've played a few times recently and had crews flocking to stay with me. Talking about all sorts of horror stories of the ships they'd been on. Was like...yep, that's what GOIO is like much of the time. Why I fly with AI more often than not.

Nezumi-chan:
The general tone of this topic makes me think that not having vote to kick is the right choice, even above and beyond Muse's pretty solid arguments. When you're sounding like a bully from a children's cartoon or a cut monologue by the villain from the new Ghostbusters, you might want to rethink your position, starting with "Are we the baddies?"

P.S: Yes, innocent new players are the real victims -- in that people will bully the hell out of them just for being new, with the excuse that they're "trolls" or "hopeless" rather than just learning. Hell, I had someone go after me in that tack because I criticized their saying they need to use toxicity to police the community of "bad" players, even though, as I alluded to earlier, I have yet to actually play outside tutorials and the sandbox practice thing. And the frothing hatred of new players and concern-trolling about how it's really for their sake isn't exactly making me want to dive into the game.

You want to know why there's so few players? It's not the trolls. It's not the lack of vote kick. It's not the "clueless newbies." It's the mass of bitter, hateful bullies who will go after them for any misstep or effort to learn the game, or not playing exactly how they say they should. People get interested in the game (like I finally did after it kicking around in my Steam library for ages), then they see that's what the community is like now, and they say "Yeah, no."

Schwalbe:
I have approached countless new players and tried teaching them, even if for reason to at least have some decent time in match.

Many have disabled voice chat - something that should not exist in this game in the first place.
Many don't read the text chat where I explain things if I cant have them explained in voice chat.

Some are rude, arrogant bastards which need to be spanked. With a chair. Notice I say "some", indicating I'm meeting lots of these fuckers.

Like 1 in 6, 1 in 5 happens to be a prick. Or a trolling cunt.

And this costs me both serious mental health, feeling of guilt that I'm failing people aboard my fucking ship, that I fail my teammates, because I can't make my crew functional.

When I play this game, ESPECIALLY as a pilot, I feel responsibility for other people - and mine - good time.




So yeah.
I am doing my best to not be an asshole. But there are times I actually need that fucking kick option, because people are bastards.

I came to play a game, relax and have some good time, not to handle somebody's lacks in being raised as an aware member of this fucking society.

G'day.


Disclaimer for a new forum user: this is my version of calm, polite, and collected response. Understand it as such.

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