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GUNS Balance Questions and Concerns v1.2

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N-Sunderland:

--- Quote from: Ofiach on May 19, 2013, 12:19:04 am ---I watched some vids of the old flak and that seemed to be a tad harder to shoot than the current lumberjack and was absolutely raped by the nerfhammer.

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I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. As somebody who used the heavy flak a lot pre-nerf, I can attest to the fact that it was an extremely easy gun to hit with, regardless of the range. That contributed to it getting nerfed.

Captain Smollett:
Man, you can see the videos, and you can live the videos.

Old flak was insanely awesome, it was definitely op but man was it awesome.  Just one flak was more powerful than anything anybody could bring and it was far easier to shoot than the current heavy flak and consequently lumberjack as well.  It could smash armor, spill over into the hull and finish off an opponent.  You could one volley just about anyone with a galleon.  You were extremely powerful at long range and.... even more powerful at close range!!!!!

Ahh the old Flak, people loved it, and hated it, and loved to hate it, but everyone admitted it was damn gratifying to use.  Good memories.

TehPao:

--- Quote from: N-Sunderland on May 19, 2013, 12:24:17 am ---
--- Quote from: Ofiach on May 19, 2013, 12:19:04 am ---I watched some vids of the old flak and that seemed to be a tad harder to shoot than the current lumberjack and was absolutely raped by the nerfhammer.

--- End quote ---

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. As somebody who used the heavy flak a lot pre-nerf, I can attest to the fact that it was an extremely easy gun to hit with, regardless of the range. That contributed to it getting nerfed.

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What about all of his other points?

AWildGodzilla:

--- Quote from: TehPao on May 19, 2013, 12:42:23 am ---
--- Quote from: N-Sunderland on May 19, 2013, 12:24:17 am ---
--- Quote from: Ofiach on May 19, 2013, 12:19:04 am ---I watched some vids of the old flak and that seemed to be a tad harder to shoot than the current lumberjack and was absolutely raped by the nerfhammer.

--- End quote ---

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. As somebody who used the heavy flak a lot pre-nerf, I can attest to the fact that it was an extremely easy gun to hit with, regardless of the range. That contributed to it getting nerfed.

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What about all of his other points?

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Mattilald Anguisad:
Saying Lumberjack is op is almost like saying Scyla is op. The only diffirence is that people have learned how to effectively shoot Lumberjack (witch is admittedly easier), while they still use Scyla in close range becouse they cant shoot it. While it does have less damage than Light Flak per shot and it is harder to hit with, it does have NO spread (thus needs no heavy clips), significantly better rate of fire and quadruple clip size (if you hit consistently you have double DPS of the light flak).

As for merc and Heavy Flak. Merc does almost no permahull damage, and heavy flak in 1.1.2 or 1.1.3 when I joined was as easy to hit with (IF you had lesmok rounds) as it is with Mercury Fild gun right now (without lesmok), back then Heavy Flak had more damage than it does now and no arming time. (BTW merc got weaker and harder to shoot with since then as well).

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