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Thomas:
Well, when AFNC was subbed for, your sub team lost every single match and you would have started at 700 some-odd points. Since the rules aren't specific on what happens when a team is subbed for, I've chosen to go with extremely lenient.

Now we can certainly have GSR have earned 0 points. But then we can also have teams complain about losing points to the subbed team. Should those teams have lost point? Does Skyborne deserve to have those points from the matches they won? We could argue that we should just nullify all those point losses/gains and say those matches were just for entertainment.

We can also argue that Unlgorious Rastorz not showing up prevented Kajiggrs from earning any points. Should we award Kajiggrs points? Do other teams deserve to have won points because Kajiggrs/Unglorious Rastorz couldn't play?

Take your time.

The Cunning Linquist:

--- Quote from: Thomas on February 22, 2016, 07:25:47 pm ---Since the rules aren't specific on what happens when a team is subbed for, I've chosen to go with extremely lenient.

--- End quote ---

Well, when we were subbed for, we lost 5% of our points every game, moving us from 1000 points to 858.  Wouldn't this be the precedent?  That was a situation where we a team asked for a break and a sub WAS found.  I'm looking at rule 18.b:

"If no substitute team can be arranged, the matches will count as a loss. No points will be deducted from the ally team and only 5% points will be deducted from the team on break"

It seems like in our case you treated this rule as what happens to a team on break regardless of whether or not a sub is found.  I realize that's not quite how the rule reads, but that's what the precedent is.  I don't believe GSR should be awarded points for not playing and I believe there should be a 5% penalty (as was applied to us) to discourage teams from taking a break.

As to your second point, I believe in that same case you let the winning teams still keep their points, so I would let SkBo keep their winnings from the week.  It doesn't seem necessary to nullify the match.  Give points to SkBo and deduct points from the losing teams as normal and track the points that the sub team got.  If they ever enter the tournament they can enter with their current score based on their winnings this weekend.  Again, I believe this is what you did in week 1.

To your third point, we should not award Kajiggrs points. Rule 16:

"If a team is a no-show, the match will count as a loss for their pair. All points lost will come from the team that did not show (20%). The winning pair will receive points as if they had won 10% from each team."

In one of the weeks we had No Hug Me I'm Scared not show and I don't believe their partner team was awarded any points.  When we didn't play 6th week because NHMIS dropped out, we weren't awarded any points.  I believe the precedent would be to keep Kajiggrs at the score with which they entered week 7.

TL;DR
1) GSR should lose 5% of their week 7 score per game
2) The matches should not be nullified and SkBo and all other involved teams should have their scores adjusted accordingly
3) Kajiggrs score should not change.

I hope none of these teams take any of these statements personally.  I promise that everything here was said in a spirit of openness and fairness and I certainly don't mean to offend.

-Cunning

Thomas:
Let me try this again.

You (A Fine Nights Curse) SHOULD have started week 2 with 729 points. In my moment of charitable goodwill, you instead started with 858. Your ally and sub team got stomped. On the other hand, Skyborne and GSR's sub did quite well, so you want me to give them the shaft.

Overwhelming pettiness or not, the points will stand.

DrTentacles:
Honestly, given precedent, I'm fine with a 5% deduction for us, and full points for Skyborne, who amply deserve it. I am grateful for Sky Slicers for subbing for us, and my personal investment in actually winning this tournament is pretty much null. I'm playing because I enjoyed playing to the best of my ability in something more competitive than pubs.  I gladly willing to state that there are simply ships and clans out there that are currently simply *better* than us. I do not intend to scrape for points in a desperate attempt to stay in the running for finals.

Not having the chance to be in the finals will not negatively affect my experience, so let's aim for consistency, instead. I'm pretty rusty, and this just isn't my meta. (Have I mentioned I hate midrange combat? Because I hate midrange combat.) I've still had fun, and GSR always enjoys a chance to compete with, and partner with new clans.

That said, I will gladly still fight for the title of "above average ship."  :P

Solidusbucket:
In all honesty, this is Thomas' event. I feel that someone who has the dedication, knowledge, and resources to establish and maintain an event on the scope of the Cronus League should not have their judgement questioned. This is a great event that has gone relatively smooth. Every team involved is being treated in a fair and polite manner. I have not seen any instance where a team's inquiry was not answered justly and appropriately.

The scores are the way they are because of careful and thoughtful consideration. I personally find it a bit concerning that there are any complaints. Let us not forget that this event should foremost be about fun. The scoring helps to determine who performed the best but it certainly does not determine who had the most memorable and entertaining moments of gameplay.

I respect your decisions, Thomas. I find them fitting to the given situation. After having looked at the scores I feel that it was a good choice on your part. I read through the rules that were posted. However, those rules should be subject to interpretation, especially by the event organizer. It is his job to ensure a fair and fun competition.

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