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I am begging, please add minimum level requirements to pilot...
Newbluud:
--- Quote from: Luharis on March 05, 2016, 06:26:15 am ---Well, do the ends really justify the means here?
I get that people are sick of novices, and i understand that its a problem, but why is every solution we come up with, every idea we propose, go back to the idea that novices are terrible people with the intent the screw everyone over.
Now, I'm not sure how much sway my word will have here, as I'm far lower level than other's who are posting on this thread. but i do wish to caution everyone. The last thing this game needs is a Vet elitism to counter novice ignorance.
Just my thoughts.
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Novices are incredibly frustrating, and jokes about them are funny in my book. Some of them are toxic to boot.
However, I agree with you. This game is hard to keep up with when you are new and once you have a couple of thousand matches, so many things become second nature that explaining things to new people seems like we are making simple requests to us, but said requests are hard to keep track of for someone who is also trying to enjoy a new game. I also think the novice hate makes this community distinctly less "great" than it professes to be.
That being said, I'm not saint. I tend to explain mistakes they made and keep my frustration bottled up. Far too often I see terrible sportsmanship and outright maliciousness from vets that should know better. I suppose it's unavoidable in a game so reliant on a team to work together.
Kamoba:
--- Quote from: Luharis on March 05, 2016, 06:26:15 am ---Well, do the ends really justify the means here?
I get that people are sick of novices, and i understand that its a problem, but why is every solution we come up with, every idea we propose, go back to the idea that novices are terrible people with the intent the screw everyone over.
Now, I'm not sure how much sway my word will have here, as I'm far lower level than other's who are posting on this thread. but i do wish to caution everyone. The last thing this game needs is a Vet elitism to counter novice ignorance.
Just my thoughts.
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Your level does not effect your opinion on this, and I believe your opinion on this can be a real eye opener, at least it is for me..
Yes Novices can be frustrating, but equally if we create barriers and restrictions it'll do more damage to player retention than it would help...
The Djinn:
--- Quote from: Kamoba on March 05, 2016, 08:53:55 am ---Yes Novices can be frustrating, but equally if we create barriers and restrictions it'll do more damage to player retention than it would help...
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Agreed.
On the specific subject of this thread -- I'd have never gotten into this game in the first place if I had been restricted from piloting. Gunning and Engineering are fun and all, but I find piloting is where my interests lie, and the role that brings gameplay I can't get elsewhere. It was the role that cemented GoI as a game I'd like to keep playing.
Red-Xiii:
--- Quote from: The Djinn on March 05, 2016, 09:18:44 am ---
--- Quote from: Kamoba on March 05, 2016, 08:53:55 am ---Yes Novices can be frustrating, but equally if we create barriers and restrictions it'll do more damage to player retention than it would help...
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Agreed.
On the specific subject of this thread -- I'd have never gotten into this game in the first place if I had been restricted from piloting. Gunning and Engineering are fun and all, but I find piloting is where my interests lie, and the role that brings gameplay I can't get elsewhere. It was the role that cemented GoI as a game I'd like to keep playing.
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I was one "bitching" captain away from quitting this game early on. I was going to try one more match. The ONLY thing that kept me around was [SAC] Gully Man. He made it quite obvious that not all captains are assholes and can actually teach. From then on I decided to ignore the ranting vets and learn on my own and from the helpful pilots. Alot of novices are not so lucky as I.
Hoja Lateralus:
--- Quote from: Atruejedi on March 03, 2016, 05:18:28 am ---I'm so tired of teaching in this game. Because I actually CARE about this game, I'm compelled to teach new players whenever they're willing to listen... no matter how god damn awful and ignorant they are... but the problem is I AM TEACHING THEM THE MOST BASIC AND RUDIMENTARY MECHANICS OF THIS GAME OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I am tired of it! Where are the tutorials, Muse! Where!? I'm at my wit's end. Seriously. I am tired of losing games over and over again as I try to foster and improve the player base when, to me, it appears that Muse barely cares about expanding and growing and maintaining the community. The player base should be the absolute priority in this game... and I increasingly am asking myself why I care to help this game when others, including the developers, care so much less, if at all.
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--- Quote from: Kamoba on March 03, 2016, 05:39:25 am ---Please let me be the first to say: Welcome to the life of a vet.
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This. <3
I was so proud to watch Kamoba grow from naive idealist CA to a true man; a sarky, bitter vet. Now we can welcome truejedi as a member of our fucked-up patchwork family.
inb4 you are literally Hitler becuase you don't want to teach players, you don't care about the game, yadda yadda yadda, lgbt, yadda yadda, gluten, yadda, elitist shitlord. Yadda.
I have very mixed feelings. Because on one hand, devs are great, you can talk to them during fireside, you can mail them and discuss the game and even you can kick their asses in their own game if you manage. They are very nice people with, in some ways at least, very good approach. On the other hand I think they have overestimated their capabilities and resources and taking care of Alliance and Skirmnish (also remembering about the money) is just too much for them; it ends up with neglecting Skirmnish. I feel that just because there is very crystalised hardcore vet community of people who will simply play GOIO (almost) no matter what - devs take vets (and players) for granted. As if they don't feel the need to lure in some new players; if some people will stay after sales - good, if not - meh, we still have vet community.
There is also a great ideological division, I'd say. There is "vets should help new players" camp and there is "fuck off and let me play like a regular player" camp.
To leave the domain of my feelings and enter the domain of meritoric discussion, this is no easy problem to solve. Becuase for now it's just vicious circle:
0. Playerbase is low
1. New players enter the game
2. They learn based on bad tutorials, or they don't learn at all
3. Because of point 0 they end up playing with vets
4. Vets are pissed
5. Noobs are pissed
6. Some vets leave
7. Most noobs leave
8. Sale, go back to the point 0.
And this is of course the tip of the iceberg which is the gameplay problem of players not wanting to stay for longer than those 500 matches (this is very loose border, some could argue that this may be even 400 or 300 matches). And no, this cannot be argued by the "oh well, goio just isn't for everyone" or "well we're so indie". No, every sale we see big players influx (up to 4k simultaniously playing in one sale) and than gradual decline of playerbase back to the veteran backbone. You can ask many dedicated players and many of them will give you various answers for why it may be happening - some will point out small amount of content, some the optimalisation issues (playing on 20fps is a huge turn-off, I know what I'm talking about, and funny thing is devs don't seem to care, hence "800x600 20fps = playable, also 2015" joke), some the small tactical variety (8 ammo types but every gun has 1-2 valid options), some the dull gameplay (because hitting things with mallet isn't that exciting for most of people) and some other problems which I may not have included here. The problem of noobs is the problem of vets being forced to play with noobs over and over and over again, because most of them leave anyway, so the teaching and the frustration of both sides starts again. Teaching noobs is Sisyphus's work. There are many who tried to actually dedicate their time to teach new players (the most notable example would be nanoduckling I think, and some if not most CA's/teachers) - and they soon enough reach their limit and snap. All I've written in this post is common knowledge among vets, I think, but perhaps not among the devs.
So, to sum up somehow, we're in stalemate. Devs don't have the will and/or resources to make the game better in significant enough way. They are trying, yes, but there is only so much they can do. And we, vets, will keep playing, making our way through for SOME pleasant experience, through the power of Block and Report.
Edit: I understand that devs have decided on a crazy gambit, that their new game is going to be so WOW, so exciting, so great that all of the current fanbase will buy it immediately and new people will appear in both Alliance and Skirmnish. Sorry to put it that way but wasn't GOIO supposed to be such a good game too? When Alliance is going to be released, 2018? 2019? Is there going to be enough playerbase left to actually care? Or is it some kind of darwinist nightmare, weak individuals must perish and the Brave New World of GOIO Alliance will be born? :D Will some of us be the Moseses of GOIO - we will see the Promised Land but not enter it?
The point is - will the remaining playerbase survive until Alliance is released and, hopefully, save this game?
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