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Sunday Community Skirmish: Are official pauses needed?
Skrimskraw:
well question is also would teams rather have 22 min game time and have their pauses cut, with unofficial gentlemans pauses are allowed
or do they want pauses and 20 mins games, with possibility of referee or team fuck ups.
I know its not an ultimatum, but i do think cutting pauses legitimizes 22 min games to "repair" the damage of not having 2 mins to find a sub midgame.
Dementio:
--- Quote from: Skrimskraw on September 16, 2015, 12:17:26 pm ---well question is also would teams rather have 22 min game time and have their pauses cut, with unofficial gentlemans pauses are allowed
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Teams can still fuck up here and instead of a referee fucking up, a team could be trash talked by others when deciding not to be a gentleman.
KitKatKitty:
--- Quote from: Skrimskraw on September 16, 2015, 12:17:26 pm ---I know its not an ultimatum, but i do think cutting pauses legitimizes 22 min games to "repair" the damage of not having 2 mins to find a sub midgame.
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With the extra 2 mins add that would legitimizes removing the pause.
--- Quote from: Dementio on September 16, 2015, 01:31:37 pm ---Teams can still fuck up here and instead of a referee fucking up, a team could be trash talked by others when deciding not to be a gentleman.
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If teams talk trash to the opposing team for not allowing a pause then they should not be granted a pause at all...you can't trash talk about non-gentlemanly behavior and than turn around and act "non-gentlemanly". I think that is much more an issue with community standards in competitive than an issue that would weigh in on removing or not removing pauses. A team shouldn't feel intimidated by the reproductions of not allowing a pause if they feel like it would cause their team a disadvantage. I understand that some teams could be seen as "less than gentlemanly" for not allowing a pause but this is competitive play and each team is doing what they feel is best for their interests.
Dementio:
--- Quote from: KitKatKitty on September 16, 2015, 02:48:42 pm ---...you can't trash talk about non-gentlemanly behavior and than turn around and act "non-gentlemanly".
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Guess what people actually do. They will even do this very thing, if they have no proof that there was actual non-gentlemanly behavior.
But you are right, it shouldn't have too much weight when it comes to the answering the OP's questions, if any at all. I personally just like going for an option that allows for less conflict. A ref can also be talked bad about, but will most often be adressed as "ref" and rarely by name, when it happens.
Crafeksterty:
Or maybe were just spoiled by pauses.
I find the conondrum in having or not having official pauses or not odd when i remember sunday rumbles not having pauses, same goes with other tourneys.
In those games, no pauses always had a flow in the game but at the same time, big salty behaviour because of DC's.
But at the same time, the flow never broke and made players a bit more creative.
One completely halts the ability of the players(Pausing games), and the other still allows for that ability, just its disrupted (No pauses).
And to go even further into why Pauses can be a hinderence is the flow in spectating and mindset of what is going on.
So, with alot of thinking, i feel like pauses simply makes us FEEL safe. But also destroys what was just going on.
But in the other hand, with NO PAUSES a team can charge in when they see player X disconnected which is a shitty move.
But at the same time, a skin hardened with DCing players should still be able to hold back.
Forgiving ONE player (3/4 of a ship) for DCing and then hindering the 8 players shouldn't exist.
I think official pauses shouldnt stay, and gentleman ruling pauses can make teams look like an asshole.
Lets have no Pauses because the game is very much playable without them.
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