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BlackenedPies:
No one accused sniping of being boring or defended Dunes for being balanced. Dunes is my most played map and in my experience offers the least interesting play. The strategy of sniping is not limited to dunes.

Extirminator:

--- Quote from: BlackenedPies on June 07, 2015, 08:14:24 pm ---Dunes is my most played map and in my experience offers the least interesting play.

--- End quote ---

Just because a map might be not interesting to play for some people doesn't mean it has to be out of the event. If it is not interesting for you - make it interesting, use more tactics and varied builds to make it nice.
Its just silly to me that we are even discussing this topic for so long and people are actually considering it, without trying to make it interesting themselves from the first place.

BlackenedPies:
The point is that Dunes offers the least varied tactics. I've done plenty to make it interesting during 1500+ matches, and my second favorite pyra is specifically for dunes (carro merc). It's the best map if you don't want a challenge, and I argue that's the only reason it's voted for.

If people don't want it removed then ok. My only point is that it's the least favored map, has the fewest tactical and strategic options, and no one claims it's balanced. I don't think it's aesthetically appealing but that's just an opinion.

Skrimskraw:
Dunes is the best brawling map.
The high ceiling and dune banks provide enough space to use various engagement tactics.

you can easily hide by flying close to the ground, there are plenty of moving clouds to use for cover aswell as structures that provide the smallest amount of cover needed to stay alive.

It is only because teams insist on flying around in circles, staying in corners like skill-less rookies that dunes is considered bad.

Firnfeld is ten times worse than dunes in sniping, the cover in firnfeld are based on survival, not on engaging. This means that a team that attacks have to use high ceiling cover where they will be in gun arcs imidiately. In dunes however you can engage from low points and force your enemy to go lower if they want to hit you.

It´s funny how in Thralls we were always thrilled to see dunes in our map picks. Just like some teams are thrilled to see duel at dawn in their picks, or even paritan. you know those guys who like to ram and use goldfishes a lot ;)

the only map I would say should be removed for the time being is paritan due to its consistent slowmo bug that keeps hitting in every time that map is played.
neither dunes or duel provides any gamebreaking bugs that makes it impossible to play proper.

BlackenedPies:
If there were clouds, dunes, and small pieces of cover it would offer varied tactics, but these are too few and far between (I wish there were more). I've played tons of dunes with sniping/brawling against good players and rarely have I been impressed. Results are predictable but I'd lie if I said I don't enjoy dunes and Sammy will attest. I've always said it's the easiest map whether for brawling or sniping, although sniping is blatantly effective. You only vote dunes if you don't want challenge.

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