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Was GOIO A Fluke?
Arturo Sanchez:
--- Quote from: David Dire on May 04, 2015, 07:22:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Netheron on May 04, 2015, 06:07:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: David Dire on May 04, 2015, 05:52:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: Gilder Unfettered on May 04, 2015, 05:47:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: David Dire on May 04, 2015, 04:49:17 pm ---I just sai- Okay, you know what? Fine, Stamina and the UI change is totally the best thing to ever be added to this game. However I've sadly come down with a case of "GoIO uninstalled" so, sadly, maybe I'll be able to see all of you again, but, till that moment where this incurable disease is fixed, I'll just go do something else.
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Good! More fun for us. Bye then!
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Nah, I think I'll go into provoking more.
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David, that helps your cause not at all. I personally am with you on the UI change. I think it was a pretty bad change, but I left those comments in the appropriate thread. In terms of stamina, meh... It just feels unnecessary to me. Its just something the game didn't need, and I wish development time spent on that would have gone toward the completion of Co-op. However, I was too shy to speak my mind, and so this has come to pass. If we want this issue fixed, we need to use collected and logical arguments to support our side, not sporadic attacks and insults (this applies to both sides of the argument).
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Apparently you people can't take jokes.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but if Muse is working on Co-Op why are they suddenly pulling ideas for their game out of their asses and putting it in despite numerous levels of feedback telling them to not put it in?
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My impression is like so:
Muse: so we have this new feature we wanna put in. We're just gonna put it into dev app to see what you think.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Muse: So we're going to be running some tests on this new feature for this in dev app and tweaking around with it.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Testers: After weeks of work and conditioning, I think it's ready to go into the game.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Muse: After many tests I think we have perfected this new feature and putting it on the new update.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Muse: So we just added the new feature. Go right ahead and tell us what you think.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Testers: Hey this feature has been thoroughly tested and we've been conditioned to like it through long hours of using it.
*today.
Its my impression. Dunno if its accurate. But its what I presume I saw and see.
Squidslinger Gilder:
Conditioned to like it? You wanna tell us all what you're smoking because if you have dev app access you'd know none of us were conditioned to like it. We've all shared plenty of concerns as the process went. Heck the original form of stamina was a bit nuts. Gunners were able to shoot straight up or straight down with all guns on it. We all spoke out on that. If you don't believe it then apply to join dev app and add your own input. Its pretty easy to get in. Muse hands out codes like candy.
If you want the "common people" to do your little survey then you need to get it listed in game because its pretty clear you'll only get very skewed results on the forums here. Especially when you word questions clearly towards dev app testers, not "common" folk.
Its a fresh new idea, the first real gameplay oriented one Muse has done in 2yrs. It was pretty clear it would be a benefit to the gameplay as a whole with only realism nuts going on crusades against it. Everyone wants gunners viable but no one ever agrees on how to do it. Literally stamina came as a result of about 2yrs of Muse considering ways to solve the problem. When considering that, they did a damn good job coming up with something like this without going into talent trees or passive buffs/etc that wouldn't really change anything.
DJ Logicalia:
--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on May 04, 2015, 07:31:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: David Dire on May 04, 2015, 07:22:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Netheron on May 04, 2015, 06:07:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: David Dire on May 04, 2015, 05:52:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: Gilder Unfettered on May 04, 2015, 05:47:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: David Dire on May 04, 2015, 04:49:17 pm ---I just sai- Okay, you know what? Fine, Stamina and the UI change is totally the best thing to ever be added to this game. However I've sadly come down with a case of "GoIO uninstalled" so, sadly, maybe I'll be able to see all of you again, but, till that moment where this incurable disease is fixed, I'll just go do something else.
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Good! More fun for us. Bye then!
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Nah, I think I'll go into provoking more.
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David, that helps your cause not at all. I personally am with you on the UI change. I think it was a pretty bad change, but I left those comments in the appropriate thread. In terms of stamina, meh... It just feels unnecessary to me. Its just something the game didn't need, and I wish development time spent on that would have gone toward the completion of Co-op. However, I was too shy to speak my mind, and so this has come to pass. If we want this issue fixed, we need to use collected and logical arguments to support our side, not sporadic attacks and insults (this applies to both sides of the argument).
--- End quote ---
Apparently you people can't take jokes.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but if Muse is working on Co-Op why are they suddenly pulling ideas for their game out of their asses and putting it in despite numerous levels of feedback telling them to not put it in?
--- End quote ---
My impression is like so:
Muse: so we have this new feature we wanna put in. We're just gonna put it into dev app to see what you think.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Muse: So we're going to be running some tests on this new feature for this in dev app and tweaking around with it.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Testers: After weeks of work and conditioning, I think it's ready to go into the game.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Muse: After many tests I think we have perfected this new feature and putting it on the new update.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Muse: So we just added the new feature. Go right ahead and tell us what you think.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Testers: Hey this feature has been thoroughly tested and we've been conditioned to like it through long hours of using it.
*today.
Its my impression. Dunno if its accurate. But its what I presume I saw and see.
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What is the distinction you're drawing between players and testers? If you want to be a tester just go grab a dev app key for yourself.
David Dire:
--- Quote from: James T. Kirk on May 04, 2015, 07:29:50 pm ---Hey everyone.
I'm here to apologize for David. As long as he wears that tag, he's representative of my clan.
I wish not to derail the topic any further, so I'll keep this brief, but I hope any players reading this that are unfamiliar with Cake do not associate this behavior with me, my officers, any of my other members, or the clan as a whole.
It's actually quite the opposite of our purpose.
We have a zero tolerance policy for hate speech, and strongly discourage 'noob shaming.' He will be ejected from the clan as soon as I am done posting this.
David, if you wish to discuss this with me, you have multiple ways of contacting me privately. Please do so if you desire.
To be clear, he is not being kicked due to his opinions, but rather his crude way of presenting them.
Again, apologies to everyone here.
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Actually I was planning to eject myself from the clan and basically lock my profile up game-wise, but, that works too.
Arturo Sanchez:
--- Quote from: DJ Logicalia on May 04, 2015, 08:06:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on May 04, 2015, 07:31:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: David Dire on May 04, 2015, 07:22:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Netheron on May 04, 2015, 06:07:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: David Dire on May 04, 2015, 05:52:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: Gilder Unfettered on May 04, 2015, 05:47:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: David Dire on May 04, 2015, 04:49:17 pm ---I just sai- Okay, you know what? Fine, Stamina and the UI change is totally the best thing to ever be added to this game. However I've sadly come down with a case of "GoIO uninstalled" so, sadly, maybe I'll be able to see all of you again, but, till that moment where this incurable disease is fixed, I'll just go do something else.
--- End quote ---
Good! More fun for us. Bye then!
--- End quote ---
Nah, I think I'll go into provoking more.
--- End quote ---
David, that helps your cause not at all. I personally am with you on the UI change. I think it was a pretty bad change, but I left those comments in the appropriate thread. In terms of stamina, meh... It just feels unnecessary to me. Its just something the game didn't need, and I wish development time spent on that would have gone toward the completion of Co-op. However, I was too shy to speak my mind, and so this has come to pass. If we want this issue fixed, we need to use collected and logical arguments to support our side, not sporadic attacks and insults (this applies to both sides of the argument).
--- End quote ---
Apparently you people can't take jokes.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but if Muse is working on Co-Op why are they suddenly pulling ideas for their game out of their asses and putting it in despite numerous levels of feedback telling them to not put it in?
--- End quote ---
My impression is like so:
Muse: so we have this new feature we wanna put in. We're just gonna put it into dev app to see what you think.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Muse: So we're going to be running some tests on this new feature for this in dev app and tweaking around with it.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Testers: After weeks of work and conditioning, I think it's ready to go into the game.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Muse: After many tests I think we have perfected this new feature and putting it on the new update.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Muse: So we just added the new feature. Go right ahead and tell us what you think.
Players: boooo go away just balance the game you already got.
Testers: Hey this feature has been thoroughly tested and we've been conditioned to like it through long hours of using it.
*today.
Its my impression. Dunno if its accurate. But its what I presume I saw and see.
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What is the distinction you're drawing between players and testers? If you want to be a tester just go grab a dev app key for yourself.
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weeks of testing and working hard at something makes you gain a bias opinion of it.
kinda like soccer moms. Your child could be the spawn of satan in the eyes of many people, but that child is your baby. He's a positive angel to you.
as for you gilder.
I do have the dev app and I have tested it. But thats besides the point. I detested it from the conceptual stage. No matter how I tried to fit the circle shaped block into the star shaped hole, it just didn't seem like it fit.
And inb4 it was just some bias of your own preconceived notions. No. I tested it. I thought about its place in the game. My conclusion? No. Just no.
But thats not gonna stop tests from continuing though. It will go on regardless.
Heres a comparison of a good change and a bad change.
the new reload mechanics? FANTASTIC. utterly brilliant. everyone uses it and I have no heard a single complain.
The stamina system? You're felt like you need to use it as a gunner due to a few gun nerfs (you can't aim down without it on heavy carronade). That kinda forcing people's hands to accept it.
the changes made by your testing is simply sanding down that circular block to fit the star shaped hole. But does it fit? It goes through right?
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