Author Topic: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?  (Read 60807 times)

Offline Lanliss

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2015, 01:44:10 pm »
Submit, submit to the might of spanner-mallet, you mallet-spanner peons. You cannot stand against us, you cannot stop us, for we repair better than you. You will submit, or you will fall.

Offline MightyKeb

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2015, 02:46:38 pm »
You see Lanliss, a very wise man, who also was a mallet-spanner advocator by the way, which isnt very hard to figure for all intellectual men prefer mallet spanner, has said: "The Hull goeth before a fall.", ultimately thy ways are countered by something as simple as a gat mortar! Mallet-spanner also comes with the added benefit of not smacking that 3 second cooldown in with the spanner by accident after the rebuild. So in both short and long term, spanner-mallet falls short.

Offline David Dire

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2015, 03:02:03 pm »
You see Lanliss, a very wise man, who also was a mallet-spanner advocator by the way, which isnt very hard to figure for all intellectual men prefer mallet spanner, has said: "The Hull goeth before a fall.", ultimately thy ways are countered by something as simple as a gat mortar! Mallet-spanner also comes with the added benefit of not smacking that 3 second cooldown in with the spanner by accident after the rebuild. So in both short and long term, spanner-mallet falls short.

Thou speaketh truth.

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2015, 03:10:58 pm »
I think the 'other' votes are skewing the results. The question is if you put spanner or mallet in front of the other.

That way mallet chem spanner would be a vote for mallet, or my vote of chem mallet spanner.

Offline Lanliss

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2015, 03:26:23 pm »
They are not skewing the results. The question is "do you prefer mallet-spanner-insert item here, spanner-mallet-insert item here, or something else, that is neither mallet-spanner or spanner-mallet?". It is not just a question of what you prefer in first slot, but also what you want in second.

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2015, 12:06:35 am »
Actually, you know what? I ran the Stats.

Assumptions
Simple Random Sample of Guns of Icarus Players (assuming that forum attendance has no influence on spanner-mallet, mallet-spanner preference).
n(p) > 10.
n(1-p) > 10.
Population of GOIO players are greater than 460.


Hypothesis
Ho: p = .33333
Ha: p > .33333
Where p is the true proportion of GOIO players who prefer spanner-mallet.


Calculations

z= (P^ - P) / sqrt( P(1 - P) / n ) = .3779644.
p value of .0722.


Conclusion
Since p value is less than .1 (hence marginally significant), I reject the Ho. There is sufficient evidence to suggest that the true proportion of GOIO players who prefer spanner mallet is greater than .333333.



This is a little confusing (even for me who is currently learning Statistics in school), and a slightly flawed here and there, but all of it summarized to suggest that there are more players who prefer spanner-mallet than the other two choices. So, spanner-mallet!


EDIT: as more people vote, my calculation will be off. The above was calculated when there were 20 spanner-mallet, 16 mallet-spanner, and 6 others. The null hypothesis was that all three categories were preferred equally.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2015, 12:08:20 am by Indreams »

Offline Queso

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2015, 01:16:14 am »
Of course, the assumption that players in the lounge spending time to answer this poll already biases these results to almost complete uselessness for the purposes of extrapolating to general population. However we can probably draw some more useful conclusions about the forum population's preferences. Generally forum users are older players/veterans. I think the default loadout these days is Mallet spanner when in earlier days it was the opposite. Can anyone confirm this?

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2015, 06:38:37 am »
Of course, the assumption that players in the lounge spending time to answer this poll already biases these results to almost complete uselessness for the purposes of extrapolating to general population. However we can probably draw some more useful conclusions about the forum population's preferences. Generally forum users are older players/veterans. I think the default loadout these days is Mallet spanner when in earlier days it was the opposite. Can anyone confirm this?


I believe it is, I just picked up from novice and use mallet-spanner since.

Offline Indreams

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2015, 09:02:54 am »
Of course, the assumption that players in the lounge spending time to answer this poll already biases these results to almost complete uselessness for the purposes of extrapolating to general population. However we can probably draw some more useful conclusions about the forum population's preferences. Generally forum users are older players/veterans. I think the default loadout these days is Mallet spanner when in earlier days it was the opposite. Can anyone confirm this?

And the null hypothesis is a little off too. The categories of "others" makes it a bit weird because, if we were to assume that players prefer all load outs equally, "others" would actually be several different load outs. And if we wanted to talk just strictly about spanner-mallet vs. mallet-spanner, "others" prevents that.

So, a little flawed (or maybe lot) stats. but yea.


When you create a recommended loadout, it defaults to mallet-spanner-extinguisher. When you first start playing, (I think) you get spanner-mallet-extinguisher. I think (maybe) players that joined after rec loadout began with recommended mallet-spanner, and players that joined before began with spanner-mallet.

Can anybody confirm my hypothesis?

Offline MightyKeb

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2015, 09:15:48 am »
Of course, the assumption that players in the lounge spending time to answer this poll already biases these results to almost complete uselessness for the purposes of extrapolating to general population. However we can probably draw some more useful conclusions about the forum population's preferences. Generally forum users are older players/veterans. I think the default loadout these days is Mallet spanner when in earlier days it was the opposite. Can anyone confirm this?

And the null hypothesis is a little off too. The categories of "others" makes it a bit weird because, if we were to assume that players prefer all load outs equally, "others" would actually be several different load outs. And if we wanted to talk just strictly about spanner-mallet vs. mallet-spanner, "others" prevents that.

So, a little flawed (or maybe lot) stats. but yea.


When you create a recommended loadout, it defaults to mallet-spanner-extinguisher. When you first start playing, (I think) you get spanner-mallet-extinguisher. I think (maybe) players that joined after rec loadout began with recommended mallet-spanner, and players that joined before began with spanner-mallet.

Can anybody confirm my hypothesis?

Like I said, I recall my default engi loadout being mallet-spanner. I myself have joined little after the glorious matchmaker update and all the other overhauls behind it, so that's likely when the mallet-spanner plauge religion began to spread.

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2015, 09:19:16 am »
Wait, MightyKeb,... Are you a spanner-mallet or a mallet-spanner?

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2015, 09:41:53 am »
Wait, MightyKeb,... Are you a spanner-mallet or a mallet-spanner?


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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2015, 09:49:20 am »
Mallet-Spanner is obviously superior.

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2015, 10:56:42 am »
Mallet-Spanner is obviously superior.

This^^

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Re: Which way do you prefer your engineering tools?
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2015, 03:20:53 pm »
Mallet-Spanner is obviously superior.

This^^

Your argument is invalid, you're loosing the vote.