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Kamoba:
I will say reason behind no spectators is to avoid information which is otherwise unavailable to both teams being shared out, yes the event is streamed but the time delay means the information is often too late and not worthwhile but an on time spectator could make all the difference...

As for the way you were asked, it is unfortunate and I do hope to see you around still if not ingame at least on steam. :)

Dementio:
I was streaming the match and lobby that Patched Wizard is talking about and I must disappoint him and everybody here that the referee of this match wasn't a CA, but a regular player accepted by the SCS organizers to be a referee.

As for getting kicked out of the spectator slot, what Kamoba has said is basically the reason for it.

If you think that there is little reason to kick somebody of the team, because they already played for a different team earlier in the same SCS, then you should write this as feedback in one of the SCS threads and make the SCS organizers think. But when you think about it if teams sign up for the SCS they should have 8 people ready when the SCS starts, so there is no real reason to need people from other teams, unless the worst case scenario happens, in which I doubt you would be the only possible option out of the other 300 players playing the game.

Steve CZ:
I'm sorry you feel how you feel from this experience. I hope this won't discourage you completely :)

However, although I was part of the team suffering from this refferee decision, I must agree with Dementio on this. Rules are there to be followed, and these rules make sense. And I don't think the ref was any kind of rude about this.

Anyway, thanks for subbing for us that one match and I hope I'll see you in the skies again :)

Velvet:
I'm sorry to hear that SCS would play a role in anybody's decision to stop playing GOIO.

However you do seem to have a few misconceptions about SCS that I think may have twisted your perception of events. Most of them have been covered, but the "official" view is just a tiny bit different. ^^

 - SCS is in no way affiliated with the Community Ambassador program, except by the coincidental participation of Community Ambassadors as volunteer referees, streamers or organisers.
- these coincidental volunteer CAs don't get to ad lib the rules; same as any ref, they have a clearly defined set of rules to follow. This eliminates time wasting in an event that is pretty bad for going over schedule, and ensures all teams get roughly the same treatment.

- When are rules are enforced inflexibly, this is not because we are "legalistic" or have abandoned principles of fun in our attempt to create a competitive event. It is to save time and prevent confusion for referees and players. (we are often pretty time starved ^^)
- SCS is a competitive event though, so you have to appreciate the rules do exist for reasons and we can't just throw in exceptions on a whim. In the end competitive play without rules is just pub lobbies. ^^

Substitutions:
The "no playing for more than one team" rule has no exceptions because it is impossible to tell when an exception is appropriate. If a team need 1 extra player, maybe it doesn't matter that that player has already competed. But it could be 2 players, or that player could be a pilot, or just exceptionally good at their role and then the match is starting to get heavily skewed and things start feeling unfair. When and when isn't it appropriate to allow exceptions to this rule? It's not really possible to decide, so we do not ask referees to make that decision.

Spectating:
There are only 4 spectator slots. Not everyone can spectate. Why should you be allowed to spectate? Everyone else makes do with the streams.
There's also a load of side issues like cheating, that extra spectators may cause lag, that one time that this guy not only spectated but clogged up match chat, it's good to be instantly clear who the ref is, etc.


The referee did act in the spirit of both rules. You could argue that the rule was flawed (I'd disagree). But I think the important thing to establish here is that the treatment you received firstly, has been thought out and is not just a case of blanket application of rules that didn't account for your situation, and secondly was the work of 1 or 2 SCS organisers who define the event's rules and policies, and coincidentally are not CAs, rather than any failing of judgement on the part of the referee you interacted with or any flaw in the CA program. So if you are determined to resent our policy, at least do not tar the CA program or the community at large with the same brush.

EDIT: forgot to add, sorry if the referee was impolite. Not much more to add on that. Don't think it is an issue that has come up before.

Skrimskraw:
The number 1 reason why you arent allowed to spectate in SCS is because 1 spectate slot should be open for the event organizer to join in and deal with any problems that might have arised.

I dont see how you can blame SCS for you leaving, it seem like you are mad at musegames and thought that SCS is part of musegames structure, which it isnt. But whatever... your opinions and criticism seem to be pretty inconsistent and flawed since you mention that our referee were a ca, which he isnt. And I checked up on the stream to see if our referee were being rude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WSY0qrChYQ&list=PL-GU-JAq63o70RJ5Z827lxWtwi6M93zw9&index=4
at around 5 minutes you can see him ask you to leave in a normal and neutral manner. So honestly I dont get why you are using our event as an excuse.

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