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Kamoba:

--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on March 06, 2015, 01:06:33 pm ---
--- Quote ---If the new player truly wants to learn, and you as a veteran do not teach them, it is your failing, not theirs.
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lol that is the dumbest bollocks I ever heard (check that privilege). No person has any obligation to do that. If a person wants to learn, they will ask questions, they will read manuals, they will google wikis, they will find read forum posts, etc.

It's like that time college students complained that they had to do RESEARCH BY THEMSELVES to get all the info needed for a paper and gather citations for it.

You expected your lecturer to do that all for you?

--- End quote ---


Such a hypocrite, spewing foul mouthed insults towards other people, yet you are the one who claims to -Tell new players what to do- and the one who frequently complains when (you the self proclaimed vet) the new players fail to listen to you doing exactly what you claim to be "Bollocks."

Stop and think to yourself, Sarabelle tells a line which makes you look like one of the good guys, because you (by your claims) are not failing as a vet according to her statement..
And then you tell her that's bollocks?

Quit the verbal diarrhoea, think before you post or don't post at all.

DJ Logicalia:

--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on March 06, 2015, 01:06:33 pm ---
--- Quote ---If the new player truly wants to learn, and you as a veteran do not teach them, it is your failing, not theirs.
--- End quote ---

lol that is the dumbest bollocks I ever heard (check that privilege). No person has any obligation to do that. If a person wants to learn, they will ask questions, they will read manuals, they will google wikis, they will find read forum posts, etc.

It's like that time college students complained that they had to do RESEARCH BY THEMSELVES to get all the info needed for a paper and gather citations for it.

You expected your lecturer to do that all for you?

--- End quote ---

I hate to pull the "I have more matches than you" card, but I have more matches than you, and when you have a player who wants to learn and you don't teach them, you're doing a disservice to the community. I've seen so many great new players who stick around and learn the game well just because I spent a few matches explaining things. New players who want to learn are what keep this game alive. I'm beginning to think you just hate new players all around, whether they are uncooperative or otherwise, and that attitude is going to kill GoI

In short:

Thomas:
Is this how CAs are supposed to act?

And as feisty as Maxy worded it, he does make a good point, and it's a point that's been brought up over and over again.

There is no obligation for an experienced player to teach a novice, and there shouldn't be. This is why not every player has teaching or CA privileges, they don't want to do this, they just want to play the game. Whether this is no fun for them or they hate new players doesn't make a lick of a difference.

Sure it would be nice if every single vet decided to be a helpful and constructive player willing to assist other players, but it's also nice to be able to fart rainbows. Both of these events are equally possible of being realistic.

So let's stop attacking players, take a deep breath, and move back into the realm of actual possibilities.

Having every vet do this is impossible. Having -more- vets do this is entirely possible. How could we make that happen?

Hoja Lateralus:

--- Quote ---when you have a player who wants to learn and you don't teach them, you're doing a disservice to the community
--- End quote ---

Woah, that's a bit too much of a generalisation, I think. I mean, I'll play the "devil's advocate" for a moment (since this thread turned into Ceres vs. Everyone court battle) and say that regardless of your position as a CA or match count you cannot say that someone as a player is obliged to teach (new) people, and if he/she's not willing to - his doing a disservice. Why? Because veterans, just like new players, many times want just to go and play and have fun - and if they're not willing to teach new players it's their law. It's not like they're kicking children or something, they just want to have a good time with players of their skill, and in that matter I support Ceres because I have similar opinion on the matter. I 'may' sometimes teach but I want to have a safe option to play without dealing with new players, since they are mostly pain in the ass, as of my experience at least. Remember that vets are players and people too! :P
Also - taking it to 'ad absurdum' argument - following that logic every competetive-level player should spend most of his time teaching, instead of practicing or... just playing. How those selfish bastards can even look at the mirror? We must assure such IMMORAL disgusting people don't reproduce.

(PS. The last two sentences was an irony.)

I think Thomas have a good point with the list of areas that new players tend not to grasp. Also for me it's important to learn 'what' instead of 'why'. I mean, for a long time I was using greased in gatling just because some veteran told me it's the best ammo (later I confirmed it in Wundsalz's guide) - and it was good enough for me.

Also, this is personal note; I think you guys should be more careful with words since you are CA's and (in a way) you are quite representative part of the community. I'm not saying you shouldn't make your arguments, just be careful.

Edit: It turned out that I posted almost the same time as Thomas did. I'm not editing this, just when I mentioned his post I didn't mean the one above, I meant the previous one.

Lanliss:
While I do believe that the CAs should be a little more careful with their words, I also think the community should too. Jazzhands spits abuse on most of the responses I have seen from him. Since it is the CAs job to police these forums and prevent that kind of abuse, I can understand them turning against him. Both sides could make their points equally well without getting abusive, but the CAs are not going nearly as far as Jazz.

On to the obligation part. Is it required to teach new players? No, but if you want to help keep the community running common sense says you should. There are only so many CAs that can teach new players in the novice element. Everyone doesn't have to, but it would be nice if a few more players could pick up a bit of the slack. It is not required, you can't be banned for simply refusing to teach new players, but there is no reason not to every now and then.

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