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The Mann:
I get Backseat pilots all the time, all I do is take my headset off or make a party so I can only talk to my helpful members.
BlackenedPies:
It's words and attitude. There's a difference between helpful suggestions and disrespectful criticism.
Kamoba:
Back seat piloting can come in different forms, in competitive play it'll be a crew mate suggesting a route or a different engagement, and it'll be a brief and concise, normally well placed advise too, I always make a note of taking my crews points of view into account wherever possible.
Another form is as mentioned the vet, I myself try to keep it down to quick tips, like when shooting a lumberjack and I quickly mention "Hold the ship steady, don't steer once we have arc and burn kero or moonshine for a second to stabilise, it'll help us get more shots." Or "Don't forget captain, our Allie is slower than us, he will need us to wait for him lest we get annihilated by two enemy ships."
Then the vet who as mentioned tries to help but goes too far, I had a lot of them in my early days, but in the end it did help to take their words into account, but at the time I was just like "Dude... Stop.." XD
Another form of back seat driving, when someone with less experience tries to tell a vet pilot to do a bad move.. For example "If we go in quick and pop their balloons we can run over them come back and attack them from behind." Was once a bit of advice to me from a gunner.. Me: "We are using Gatling mortar in a slow ship, balloon popping wont happen anytime soon from our ship matey." Gunner: What you think I'll miss the balloon?"
As you can imagine, the gunner despite attempts to explain damage mechanics tried his best to pop balloons... He tried and he tried and we died and we died.. Apparently by his words: "This ship has the wrong guns! You should put the lumberjack on both front guns." For a pyramidion...
The last mentioned back seat gunners are the best, because they have such good intent and determination, just an unfortunate lack of game knowledge...
Carn:
Hey, I can be a backseat gunner, but not in that way. Mostly its when I try and tell a new guy how to shoot a difficult gun. Or the above "HOW DID YOU MISS THAT?!" when it was a blindingly easy shot
Schwalbe:
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--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on June 05, 2015, 01:30:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: Major-Malice on June 05, 2015, 01:19:38 pm ---As a newer player: That moment when the "helpful suggestions" by the veteran on your crew turn into an endless barrage of harsh criticism of you as a captain.
Gotta love back seat captains, right? :P
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yeah well look at it from a vet's point of view. A vet is watching you slam straight into a wall at full throttle but it seems to be invisible to your noob eyes.
You warn against it but you just keep slamming into that wall and you're scratching your head. The vet is telling you why, but none of it goes in.
something like that understandably drives a person crazy.
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Sounds like there's a personal story in that one. :(
It wasn't the dude's suggestions that were upsetting. I like suggestions, tips, tricks and as much help as possible from the vets! :D. Its just when a vet (or I am sure some of you vets could agree: some crew member) is trying to take the "helm" from you as the captain and disregards what you are saying or asking completely. You know what I mean? Back seat driver sort of annoyance. :/
Lol, the pic just captured that sort of transition from welcoming and really valuing the vet's experience to "really dude, you're just going to micro manage and talk down to us all?"
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Most veterans are kind, until you reach the line. Then they might be pissed multiple matches in a row. (example: my own bloody self)
The other thing is - being a pilot in this game is difficult. The reasons are multiple, and don't get me wrong - I don't have time to list them. So if the experienced player tells you to pass him the helm - SOMETIMES it might be a good idea to do so. And sometimes it's better to ask questions than expecting other person to listen what YOU are saying, especially if that one knows better than you.
Also, piloting needs some skill and practice - I remember suggesting one new player a goldfish, and he had difficult time flying it the first time, as he was used to putting the full forward speed on bloody, fat-ass shit galleon, hence - smashing the bloody walls constantly. Usage of piloting tools ALSO require practice. And it is usually painful at start.
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