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AN OPEN LETTER: "Return to crew form or rematch?"
Extirminator:
--- Quote from: KitKatKitty on February 10, 2015, 05:55:08 pm ---The problem is that a large majority of novice players leave this area and join the normal queue which leads to the "complaining" that we all know too well.
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Btw, about that -
If you start a match with a novice player, that's what happens with the low amount of players in Match Making.
I assume that it's enough that a few novices will be funneled to normal matches, and then you start lacking in novice players for said matches. Lacking in novice matches keeps feeding the problem that was faced in the first place. Ending up with a bunch of novice players around normal matches.
While I understand that this sort of feature is needed to actually get those novice players into any sort of match, it's feeding a different problem, and there is no way around it.
KitKatKitty:
--- Quote from: Extirminator on February 10, 2015, 07:07:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: KitKatKitty on February 10, 2015, 05:55:08 pm ---The problem is that a large majority of novice players leave this area and join the normal queue which leads to the "complaining" that we all know too well.
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Btw, about that -
If you start a match with a novice player, that's what happens with the low amount of players in Match Making.
I assume that it's enough that a few novices will be funneled to normal matches, and then you start lacking in novice players for said matches. Lacking in novice matches keeps feeding the problem that was faced in the first place. Ending up with a bunch of novice players around normal matches.
While I understand that this sort of feature is needed to actually get those novice players into any sort of match, it's feeding a different problem, and there is no way around it.
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+1 agree.
Dementio:
--- Quote from: KitKatKitty on February 10, 2015, 05:55:08 pm ---Also, there are novice matches for a reason. It is to give new players an area to stay in order to learn the game and gain skills before being put into the larger community. The problem is that a large majority of novice players leave this area and join the normal queue which leads to the "complaining" that we all know too well.
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Not only are there not enough novice matches with the current low playerbase, but there are barely any novices. I am not sure if tutorial achievements still have you level up, but if they do than novice that play the tutorials are halfway there to get rid of the novice status. Have them play 10 matches max and they are already lvl 15 or something.
Another problem is that after one match in the novice lobbies, novices might not want to stay there. A few reasons would be, no gamemodes other than deathmatch, only two maps, only three ships with questionable predefined loadouts and a bunch of, well, noobs. With nobody knowing what the hell is going on, who is going to win? I can only imagine the frustration novice pilots give each other.
--- Quote from: KitKatKitty on February 10, 2015, 05:55:08 pm ---Muse also probably did not think they needed to add another UI that stated that the lobbies are shuffle lobbies since all non-custom lobbies shuffle so it seems redundant, but I understand your point.
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I believe there is a scramble symbol right under the map imagine when in lobby to show that teams will be scrambled, in all lobbies.
Omniraptor:
TLDR the worst part for both novices and vets is the limited number of rematches, if I'm teaching a novice or just playing with people who are good company I want to play with them for a while.
I understand that muse's philosophy is "everyone should be in matchmaking queue all the time" and kind of get it, because they believe matchmaker does a good job of, you know, matching people up. However GOI is very much a social game and if I meet a random team I enjoy playing against, I want to keep playing with them for the whole session regardless of MMR differences. Our perception of a 'fun and balanced' match is only loosely correlated with MMR.
Sure if I see this good opponent I can and have added them to friends, but it creates a lot of UI friction (compared to crew form) by having to make a custom lobby, invite them, invite the crew that people don't often do it. Used to be more common iirc.
P.S. It would be interesting to see some data or at least stats about skew of MMR distribution.
Hoja Lateralus:
What is the purpose of novice matches anyways since matchmaker is 'suposed' to make balanced games, hm? ;)
Hint: it doesn't
About the novice being novice really short thing, it's simple maths, even WITHOUT achievement bonuses:
Before the Antichri... I mean, Matchmaker came, the 'out of novice' level was 4 when lvl cap was 15
Now it's lvl 7 I think (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm positive that it's below 10) with a lvl cap of 45. Which is around old lvl2.
I also pledged to raise the novice lvl cap 'at least' to level 10...
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